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Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Uba Stij posted:


Is the Flaylock the hand cannon/grenade launcher CCPJian was overly excited about during his keynotes?

Yep. The people who played at FF reckoned it was a bit OP, so it might not be as amazing when we finally get it tomorrow. If it's amazing, I'll probably have one as my standard sidearm.

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Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Game's been buggy as gently caress all day. Comms have been breaking, random boots, crashes. Hope this poo poo clears up by tomorrow.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

MrLonghair posted:


Wish they could treat HAVs the same way, it's not funny to face off against a trio of poopsocker tanks when nobody your team cares for anything but dying and afking to them, and when they really cannot be killed without proto-gear, and when they completely cannot be killed because they have blacksuits in TAC ARs jumping out to kill you at the first sign of AV.


Proto swarms, a dropship, and the highest spot on the map usually sorts shitheads like this out quicksmart. Learning to fly and not crash has been the most useful thing I've done in dust so far.

In other news, TARs are likely to get nerfed soon (confirmed it's high on the list of fixes currently being worked on) due to the high number of pubbie mctryhard sperglords using modded autofire controllers. Expect an RoF around the speed of a turtle going backwards, or some other change that will make the weapon unabusable.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

varjoankka posted:

Did they change something regarding fatsuit survivability? I think I'm able to take much more hits after the patch before going down?

Massive base hitpoint buff

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Filthy Hans posted:

Can blueprints for better weapons be purchased with just ISK? I don't want to drop real cash on this game yet.

Not right now, but there's the potential in the future for AUR items to be sold by players for ISK.

To be totally honest, the BPOs are of limited use. Once you're at 7-10 mil SP, you'll rather cut your fingers off than use the marketplace BPO stuff. Before the update, a couple of items were worth it. But not any more really.

If you want to make ISK fast, run around in Solo pub matches hacking points/structures in a free/cheap suit (you can make a cheap hacker scout suit for a few thousand). If you can top out the leaderboard on your side, you get the most ISK. Just remember, WPs mean ISK as well as SP. Stick to the edges/hills and you'll rarely get killed.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

PS3 compatible blootoof Mics can be picked up for small change now. I picked mine up for about £8 new, and Ebay is littered with them.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Reduced skill costs and level requirements for various vehicle skills
Lowered SP cost multiplier of basic frames from x6 to x4 and role suits from x10 to x8 (players that have spent their SP on these skills reviously will get their excess SP back to their unallocated pool)
Reduced unlock level of role suits from level 5 to level 3 of specific race frame skill


HOOOOLEEEEE poo poo. I'm gonna be rolling in SP again

[edit] Still probably not going to bother going assault though. :colbert:

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Hacking is improved by three things currently: The skill "Systems hacking", Hacking modules, and the Minmatar Logistics suit.

In the previous build (before the min logi bonus), I ran a proto assault with 4 L5 hacking mods. That gave me a hack speed of around 2 seconds, and a counter hack slightly quicker than a regular hack.

It's VERY powerful as a skill, but it's critical that your core survival skills come first. Being able to flashhack a point in 2 seconds is no use if the enemy can kill you in 1.5.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Fused Locus grenades are supposedly going to be on the market for ISK today (the AUR addition was a bugger up by good ol' CCP apparently)... I strongly recommend people buy a few stacks (assuming they're cheap) before the tear tsunamis cause CCP to remove them again.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Exioce posted:

Goons need to play less Skirmish and more Ambush :colbert:

Not really. Skirmish is the mode that's used in PC, so it's better that people are in the habit of defaulting to skirmish, and fully understanding it's mechanics.

PC might be a bit naff right now, but CCP did say they were taking baby steps with the bonuses and rewards, rather than accidentally making a huge exploitable mess.

Present posted:

Looking at the stats again, Caldari and Minmatar protos the only viable options for the Assault class, in my opinion. The other two races are just too slow for really effective front line combat.

For Caldari, there's enough CPU to put complex shield extenders in all highs, a scrambler pistol, Packed AV grenades, two basic plates, a basic repper, a nanohive AND a duvolle rifle with 3 CPU remaining. That gets you almost 864 EHP, with 293 of that being in armor.

For Minmatar, there's less CPU to go around. 4 complex shield extenders, a basic recharger, scrambler pistol, packed AV grenades, two basic plates, nanohive and a duvolle rifle with almost 20 CPU remaining. 763 EHP with 312 HP in armor.

That setup is for proto racial assault suits with maxed relevant skills btw.

The Minmatar has higher movement speed (+ 0.29), higher sprint sprint and more stamina, larger sidearm clip size due to the innate racial bonus.
The Caldari has a higher armor rep rate (2 vs 1), 101 more EHP, higher stats in the shield recharge/delay, and a lovely reload bonus that will never ever make a difference.

I went Caldari assault with my guy. If I had another respec I'm not sure whether I'd stick with Caldari again. That movement speed and extra ammo in the clip for the sidearm that the Minmatar suits have are very nice.

Here's a fitting tool btw

https://forums.dust514.com/default....main=google.com

Amarr proto is the only suit you can fit high end hacking builds on, without compromising on weaponry choices. Amarr's also the most balanced in every respect, and the most versatile and adaptable. The only suit you can viably have both an armour fit and a shield fit versions, which allows you to spawn against whatever the decent enemy players are using.

Xaerael fucked around with this message at 17:20 on May 30, 2013

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Skirmish is also the most efficient way to grind your SP cap fast since the matches are longer, and therefore you spend less time loading/waiting/doing circles in your quarters.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Who wants to start a book on how long it takes before Mintshit makes a dumb post similar to Jenza's epic "Teehee imma tank gurl!"

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

The only problem with the MAC limitation is you can change the MAC of your PS3 fairly easily if you know how.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Due to our overlords doing important PEST control...

:frogsiren: PC BATTLE TONIGHT :frogsiren:

The brave forces of "Northwind Alliance" wish to take possession of one of our districts.

:frogsiren: 23:10 EVE time :frogsiren:

Be there. Or don't. Up to you, but it'd be helpful if you were. Even if we have no room, you still might be needed for a sub!

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

You'd think if you were gonna drop spacebux into your chestbeating tirade, you'd make sure you could field a full team, or at least get some ringers in to fill the spots...

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

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IronSaber posted:

Were they militia tanks?

Maddies I think, so no (the first certainly was because he got A SINGLE KILL). Whoever it was also rolled a rail tank into the city.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Present posted:

If youre talking about the corp there's less goons on because a lot of them choose to log in and fight the EVE war against TEST instead of playing Dust. What going on with that anyway. Is the end in sight?

Fountain war's going well, but it could be months if not years before it's all over. (though TEST being our best allies is really helping. Thanks TEST.) Right now, NC. and others are playing kingmaker. Once they tire of wiping TEST's rear end it should all be over.


PerrineClostermann posted:

What's it like being our Vyst, Soarer?

Is it time to buy him a pony avatar yet?

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Soarer posted:


Kill yourself.



Is that a yes or no?

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Shoren posted:

I can't believe this actually works. I mean, I know we're dealing with spacebux and not actual money, but this is practically textbook Nigerian scamming. Sammus, I applaud you.

This type of scam is pretty much operated 24/7 Eveside. And depressingly, people still fall for it daily, from a few mil (literally pocket lint in Eve) to hundreds, if not billions.

(I mean... people STILL fall for the "pay me 500mil and I'll sponsor you into GSF" scam.)

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

MrLonghair posted:

You are a good sniper by watching the points like that. Best is when there's no way to counter-snipe you outside of your field of vision.



I've got a spare account with a character dedicated to sniping (named BUSH2016) and it didn't take long to max him out with everything he needed. What dropsuit is best for a sniper these days?

e: Yeah can't see anything worth taking. Did however see that profile dampeners stack (?), can get several 25% ones. Codebreakers stack also, at least they carry no warning about it.

Codebreakers do indeed stack. I respecced into a pure-hack build (minmatar logi 5 and hacking 5, meaning I get a total of 150% hacking speed) and I hack faster than people realise it's happening. Around 2 seconds or less, and I counterhack faster than a normal hack. Damps also stack, or at least they did in beta.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

PhilippAchtel posted:

I have 1.7M SP lying around. Maybe I should do that.

When are goons on again? The last few times I logged in, everyone was off fighting child pornographers in space or something.

Yeah, a bunch of us are busy reaping space tears. You can follow our progress here:

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Fountain#sov

War report for the interested:

CONDI is us, we started with zero systems in fountain at the start of the war. Things worth noting are that TEST literally only have one "inroad" junction system left (KVN-36). They currently deploy out of Karan, which is near Hophip on that map. It's not a landslide just yet, but it's getting close since we stripped them of 23 systems in the last week, and their allies are starting to get fed up and are having to worry about their own space which the Russians are starting to bite into.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

TBH, they're crumbling due to this war. Begging for ISK donations, letting TERRIBLE people back into their corps, demoting their only decent director to line member because she was female had to be offline for a couple of weeks due to life-hell... on and on... The list of their fail is getting so long it's getting tricky to keep up.

To cap it off, they just lost a Logi director who cleared out whatever they could from the corp hangars they had access to as they walked out due to the afore mentioned horrible people pissing them off.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

SUAS has finally found his rival for Eve-universe songs.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Soarer posted:

We can do a whole compilation. When Pubbies Cry.

Holy crap, I want someone to parody "When doves cry" by Prince now...

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

I have one thing to say about the new patch...

Why doesn't Soarer have a ponytar yet?

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Moronic Farce posted:

I know you guys like the show but don't push it on poor Soarer.

Silly pony.

A post like that caused my current avatar... Just hope that Scrooge isn't watching :tinfoil:

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

So, 1.4's poo poo then? I'll stick to my spaceships for now =(

I really miss pre-uprising...

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

I might need to make a comeback soon. It sounds like all the poo poo that was frustrating me (KB/M being broken was the main one) and ended in a much needed abrupt break is getting better now.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

IronSaber posted:

I didn't even know such a fusion was even possible.

All combos are possible. Just not every combo has been done yet. It's normally backed up by some flavour fluff. Eg: Guristas pirates were founded by pissed off Caldari navy guys who defected to a life of piracy and incorporated Gallente tech into Caldari ships mainly to piss off Caldari loyalists.

Guristas now spend their days being annihilated by AFK goons. (OK, this bit isn't cannon fluff, but it should be.)

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Couldn't you just scam through Eve using a corp wallet? You can say any old poo poo then, as long as you're not pretending to be anyone official. Then simply have a Dust alt to filter and distribute the ISK back to your mains.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

CCP will only ban you for directly coercing people to spend $ to pay for isk to buy (get scammed) something. (eg: you can't convince someone to buy a plex to sell to pay to get into a corp)

CCP never gives a poo poo unless real life money is part of the deal. I strongly doubt they care about scamming ISK for non existent item codes.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

So... is it worth playing again yet?

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

It's sad for the folks who were really invested in Dust, but it was also inevitable, and anyone who thought Dust would be as eternal as Eve was kidding themselves.

Consoles are pretty much disposable now, and their life cycles are way too short to ever produce something permanent for them. CCP's probably been weighing up the two options of "remake the game every time Sony throws a new console on the market, and never have a real permanent sister game", or "remake the game for the PC, and update it graphically every so often when the gfx start looking dated, and have an eternal game."

The second option is the only thing a smart company would pick. And considering their target audience (Eve players) have PCs by default... it's just something that makes sense.

I know this hits some of my old Dust buddies, and I'll miss them when I hop back into the Eve FPS world, but at the same time, I'm really looking forward to Legion, and seeing what CCP can do without the constraints of a platform that's hard to work on, and a player base who are used to disposable gaming.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

IronSaber posted:

Indeed. My general reaction to Legion so far is "I'll believe it when I see it" if this thing works.

Also, how is CCP gonna administrate anti-cheating? Are they going to shunt it to third parties like VAC or Punkbuster? How do they do it with EVE?

If you're caught cheating/hacking Eve, you're hosed. It's a one strike and ban system. CCP is HOT on catching cheaters too.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

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Unfunny Poster posted:

Were, that was all under Darius who is no longer there. To be honest, I think CCP Stillman quit EVE so I have no clue who heads security.

Vote Digi for CCP security.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

dent308 posted:

The PS3 is aging hardware, but its only the truly retarded that thought a 10 year plan would work on one box.

With the PC build, they have thrown a large number of console bros under the bus. Don't get all PC blah blah blah. This is a factor. There are a great many console players who operate from phones, no PC about at all. I am sure you know some of these guys yourself.

Now for the technical details Legion does look like a step in the right direction. I am less interested in the hardware performance and more enthusiastic about CCP removing the patch middleman. Console patches have to go through a review process before being pushed to hardware. This adds about 2 weeks to the feedback cycle. IMO this is the single largest advantage. Rapid iteration and feedback is what dust has always needed, but been held back by these 2 week ( or more ) patch reviews.

Your lack of knowledge of Dust's history is the problem here. Dust was originally supposed to be a PC game, CCP switch to console when Microsoft offered cash on delivery of game, then switched to PS3 when Sony threw a massive wad of cash at them for an exclusive during the period where CCP was losing Eve subs faster than a fat kid can chow down pies.

PC players are jubilant that "Dust" is returning to it's spiritual and conceptual home.

The biggest and single largest advantage is that now it is returning to PC, the players most interested in it as a concept can play it without having to buy a console. Consoles are death for MMOs and always have been.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Crasniya posted:

dent308 is TEST and he's on SA? ... I can't reconcile this. What reality is this?

...

Hi dent.

Suddenly his stupid assumptions and bad posting makes sense.

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Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

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nippythefish posted:

I just remembered the drama involved with the startup of Goonfeet....that seems like ages ago. Whatever happened to that wolf guy?

He kept coming back to Eve every 3 months (literally. you could set your watch by his return) and crawled his way into one of the alliance corps. Each time, he'd get kicked and laughed at. Eventually, people got so sick of him, he was declared an official unperson by Miniluv, and from there on it was impossible for him to use his main ever again because we had him on log in watch, and we'd use a locator to find, hunt and kill him.

Since then, he stopped posting on SA. Funny, because he "didn't join SA because he was a J4G".

His whereabouts are unknown. Probably what Farce said.

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