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'Flare' is actually a mistranslation there, it should be Freya. I mean, still no prizes for originality and it is suspiciously close to Flare, but. Also Fina's default name (did I mention you can rename everyone when you first meet them?) is Firea, though I can't really blame anyone for changing that to something more pronounceable. Tin Tim posted:I guess this part makes much more sense in the original text, since Japanese has some very formal styles of speech. At least that's what I read somewhere, I believe. It doesn't help that 'Correct!' is meant to be the more informal style and that doesn't really come across as informal in English. Oh, and you know what else changed between versions? The traps are removed from the forest after you first go through it. In the original version they're there forever, even when you've been forced to create a party without Hayami. Also, Caris and Orubia
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Polsy posted:Also Fina's default name (did I mention you can rename everyone when you first meet them?) is Firea, though I can't really blame anyone for changing that to something more pronounceable. Obviously it was changed because we only need one fire character here and we've already got THE BURNFIST.
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Gonna vote Latyss and Orubia.
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Last party pick we had we took Burnfist. So now, sense we can pick two, let's just grab the other two we didn't/couldn't get. Latyss and Orubia.
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The idea of using rain to signal to your super special ninja buddies seems kind of weird, considering that (if this magical fantasy land is anything like Europe) rain is going to be at least a somewhat common occurrence. I'm just imagining them charging out from the castle every time it rains and then heading back inside to moan about it. Anyway, my vote is for Latyss and Orubia since as awesome as Burnfist is, we need to let the others get a chance to shine. Also that whole "sessha" thing is almost making me grimace. I feel for you, Tin Tim. ...We've got a long way to go, don't we? 
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My professional counting skills came to this result. Latyss - 16 Caris - 15 Orubia - 12 So the first two win and voting is closed! SSNeoman posted:Oh boy we got a Mary Sue. Let's see what the Mary-Sue-o-meter says thus far: http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm  alcharagia posted:The portrait Caris maintains for basically the entire recruitment conversation with FINA THE STAR leads me to hear all of her lines in an exaggeratedly sarcastic voice. It made that conversation a lot funnier. Glazius posted:You can only win fights because of a plot device, but you can't win them all the time because of a different plot device... eesh. Brony Hunter posted:If you think Fina is annoying and Mary Sue-like for now, just wait until later in the game. Though I want to say that some parts around her are neat, and she has a few moments of being likeable. But for the most part it's painful. I'm really looking forward to a certain part that will reveal several of her anxiety problems in short order. And it's not too far away.  Thanks again for you input, Polsy. I really appreciate it! Pretty weird that RM2KFanBoy changed the name of Fina's mother. But maybe he was such a fanboy(heh) of Flare that he wanted to put him on a pedestal? And on the topic of the self-insert, there is a real and unmistakable one that I haven't shown so far. It's an enemy that you can encounter real early, it just didn't happen as of yet. I may postpone this till much later in the game though, since it also has a secret kinda tied to it and you need an endgame weapon to trigger it. Soup Inspector posted:The idea of using rain to signal to your super special ninja buddies seems kind of weird, considering that (if this magical fantasy land is anything like Europe) rain is going to be at least a somewhat common occurrence. I'm just imagining them charging out from the castle every time it rains and then heading back inside to moan about it. Soup Inspector posted:...We've got a long way to go, don't we? And with that, I'm off to liberate those poor mind controlled ninjas!
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Tin Tim posted:Thanks again for you input, Polsy. I really appreciate it! Pretty weird that RM2KFanBoy changed the name of Fina's mother. But maybe he was such a fanboy(heh) of Flare that he wanted to put him on a pedestal? Ah, I do think it's just a mistake rather than intentional. There's a pretty thin line between the two in Japanese, the difference between fu-ray-a and fu-ray-ee-a. Though the creator's name is invariably written FLARE rather than in Japanese syllables anyway, including the self-insert enemy you mentioned.
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SSNeoman posted:Maybe Latyss will actually get some summon spells this time around. I have a bet with myself that one of the summons is Bahamut I've also included Fina in that list on the first page. I had to wait a while before my brain could be subjected to more thinking about her. 
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I do want to point out that there was a previous game to this. Romancing Walker is a sequel to this game, though I've forgotten the title. Flare is the main character in this game, and does not have the Dragon Gene until later on. I'm not sure how much of this game you want spoiled, but there ya go. There's actually a game on Rm2k maker for this, though not translated in English and NOT on any PC variants.
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Apparently the previous game was called Sacred Dragoon, but there's not a lot of info out there that I can find with a simple Googling.
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Tin Tim posted:It sure would! I was pretty surprised that Caris was so nice towards Fina. Really, I expected her to be catty since she's so full of herself in the beginning of the game. But who needs consistent characterization? I don't know if Caris's attitude toward Fina is inconsistent or not (it could be that the previous famous woman who stopped the bad guys might be a personal hero of hers - or it could just be the normal kind of bad writing the game has), but I do remember that there was a bit of consistency earlier. In the first interaction you had with Caris, choosing the macho "I'm a tough guy, I can handle anything" response made Caris angry. Later on, in the mine when Ryle gets all macho and "save yourself, I'll be fine", what happens? Caris gets mad, exactly consistent from the first choice.
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ultrafilter posted:Apparently the previous game was called Sacred Dragoon, but there's not a lot of info out there that I can find with a simple Googling. I did a really big search for it back when I first found out, and I found some interesting things about it, though I don't know if that information has expanded any further since I did that way back.
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thenightsshadow posted:I do want to point out that there was a previous game to this. Romancing Walker is a sequel to this game, though I've forgotten the title. Flare is the main character in this game, and does not have the Dragon Gene until later on. I'm not sure how much of this game you want spoiled, but there ya go. There's actually a game on Rm2k maker for this, though not translated in English and NOT on any PC variants.  overdose.Again, I'm really baffled by how much  you guys bring into this thread about an old and silly Anime game made with the RPG maker. Never would have expected that!Oh, and in other news, update incoming..and it's trainwreck time.
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I Hate Your Tittays As per your vote, we'll go with fire and ice.   On the way to the castle, I stop by the VP guy and get the next treasure.  I have to cough up 20VP this time, and the next time will be the same. But that won't stay for long.   This sword is for Ryle, and does exactly what it says. 75% chance to crit but also to miss.  It's not too awesome, but since it also raises several of his stats, I'll equip it for now. Shortly before I reach the castle, Latyss learns a mind buff for the whole party and also gains a single attraction point from fighting alongside Ryle. Inside, I chat up Gohu to see what to do next.  "Sessha already double checked, 20 Ninjas still inside the castle." .png) "Alright then!" "Also it's better to sneak into the castle during the night time, we should keep the possible civil disorders to the minimum." "I got it! Let's go wait at the inn." Before I do that though, I spend my last cash at the smith and pick up whatever I can afford. It's not much, but better than nothing.  Let's do this!   We'll see about that... "How about tonight then?" "What?! Are you nuts?"  "No! We just want to beat the bad guys!" "Shut up! You FLAT-chest!" Daaaaaaammmnn   "Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!! What did YOU just say!! You are SO deadddddddddddddddddd!!!!!" .png) "Hey! Wait a sec! What are you trying to do?!" "HUAH!!"  Fina totally hulks out and slices the guards out of the way  "You...you just killed them!?" "NO mercy on those who insult my breasts!!" "......~"(I better watch out from now on, especially commenting on breasts) That's solid life advice for a lot of situations. So, how do you like Fina's first disorder? She's terribly sad that she has small breasts and will flip the gently caress out when somebody says so. And it will come up several times! Awesome, isn't it? And to give you a little hint for the future, you do remember that she's paired up with Hayami, right? That will work out great... Anyway, there's no return now...   "Don't get near the throne hall! You have to get rid of all the surrounding guards first!"  "Let me see...how many of them do we need to finish? Hayami, what's your opinion?"  "It's highly possible to be 15 out of 20 we have to handle. The rest are supposed to be with Xaktor." "Besides the king's room and the room for the prince, there are few places to hide. And don't even think about fighting more than 2 ninjas at once! Thank goodness it's a small army~" This is actually a disguised hint. You have to check both of those rooms to finish this section. .png) "But don't underestimate their strength, imagine fighting against 1000 regular troops." .png) "Then Dear Fina and others must defeat 15 Ninjas?" The "others" also include you, Orubia.   "After that, Ryle's group go to the throne hall and make the rest back to normal, and then finish Xaktor..."  "Here we go!" Now I'm in control of Fina's party...  ..and everyone has their game-face on. Since we haven't seen her before, let's check Fina's skills.  She's pretty much a Paladin. Some healing magic, holy attacks and a fire spell, for whatever reason. The Dragon Gene is one of those event skills and useless to us. Okay, here is how this section works. You have to make your way through the castle and free 15 Ninjas. Fina will keep count so you don't have to. There are random battles in here, but overall this section isn't hard. It's more a test of endurance than power. The layout of the castle is very square and straight-forward. You just move around and kill poo poo till you're done. After a few steps, I immediately encounter the first new enemy.  I think they can cause the Shaky status, but didn't really check. Since this part is a gauntlet, I just power through the randoms. Have Fina's attack animation.  Her jacket makes her look like a pirate captain Shortly after, I meet the first Ninja.  Let's free him!  "Sessha am White Shinobi Kuno Ichi, Hayami! We'll turn you back to normal!" "Interesting...Let sessha see how capable you are!" "Sorry, you are outnumbered!" "Your life...shall be MINE!!"  "Roger!!" "Umm, I don't know if I can handle them~" The actual fights are exactly like the one against Gohu, the only difference is that Fina's Victory Buster does a lot of damage against the Cell. It goes down in two rounds which is very nice. It was actually neat that you didn't vote for Orubia, as she's more useful on this team due to her holy attacks. The animation for Fina's Victory Buster isn't that special, but here it is anyway.    After the cell is dead, the Ninja returns to normal. "Yeah! It's number 1!" "Ouch..Sessha..Umm? What happened..?"  "You've been brainwashed. Sessha am afraid by Xaktor..." "Sessha get it now...Sorry for all the troubles..." "I have a favor to ask you, ok? I want you to watch our back as well as the escape route." "!! But that means?!" "I appreciate your concern, but we are on the mission and we can't afford to make any mistakes now." "...Roger! Good luck!!" "Go to next target!" I basically have to do this fourteen more times, and a lot of the text you just saw will repeat. So I'll abridge this part a bit and will only type the unique text. I'm still going to show you all the Ninjas though, mainly to give you an idea of the map.  Number two is waiting on the other side of the floor. "Your life...shall be MINE! Kakugo-!"  "Sessha am also White Shinobi! You won't beat sessha so easily!" After dealing with him, I take a quick step downstairs. There I find a chest with a Wizard Hat that Orubia can wear. It's just armor though and has no special traits. The other downward staircase leads to a prison, but the entrance is locked tight. So up to the next floor we go!  I swiftly deal with number three, and approach the lower Ninja...   "Sounds like we are the bad guys~" "You ruthless bunch of chumps! Let sessha show you the way of justice!" Yeah, how about no?  Aside from a savepoint, there is an elevator to the throne room here. Of course, it's not working. A few steps down the hall, number five and six are found.  The one on the left has a little scene after you beat him so I'll do that first. Also, Hayami learns a water based attack from leveling up. Now she has four of the mundane elements at her disposal, really only missing ice. Which isn't a real element anyway.   "You've been brainwashed by Xaktor." "What...? But how..?" "I only heard from the others, it seems you guys end up helping the bad guys..." "Really!? Maybe a wire or two still hanging on sessha's arms and legs?!" "What do you think you are?! A nutcracker?" "Jesus! You need to control your blood sugar level Miss, and take it easy. Get some of those iron pills and calcium too!"  "Urr! This guy's starting to irritate me..ok just follow my directions. Got that?" "Huh?" "Go to the castle entrance, you'll see a tall man with 2 girls. Just stay with them." I'd never assumed that Ryle is actually tall. But I guess it's canon now. "Why?" "Because it's freaking dangerous for you to stay here! Got it now!?" "But you look like the most dangerous person in this castle Miss..."  "ARRRRRRR-!!!"  Suddenly, Hayami saunters over to him.. "After this mission is completed, sessha will......you, ok?" "Really!? Sessha will pursue this mission even if it means risking life!"  "What did you tell him?" "Sessha told him that he shall be rewarded with large amounts of his favorite treats after this..."  "Did you just bribe him with mere snacks?"  "Why don't we just hurry to next target now?" "Never thought the famous mercenary force would be easily tamed with some candy bars~"  "Haa...*sigh*" Okay, real talk. This is open to interpretation and probably garbled by the translation, but I just assume that she offered him all the blowjobs.  Moving on...  "You better dream to pass sessha!" "Oh YES I can!" "Lady Fina...don't get into such a silly fight!" "Silly....?!*tripped*" "Lady Fina-! Wake up! The enemy's coming!!" Jokes!  Orubia picks up a new group attack here. Also, the door is locked and I move to the other side of the floor. On the way, I meet the next random enemy type.  The gently caress? I just cut them down real quick, so I have no idea if they can do tricks.  Here are the next two Ninjas. The third one is in the middle of the castle, and can't be reached yet. Let's take care of the upper one first, which triggers the next instance of titty-hate.  "Arg! Even if you are a Ninja, you can't fight 3 of us~" "Wh...What a fighting spirit! But where does it come from?"   "(How come my chest is so small and flat)*frown*" fuuuuuuck "D-Don't know what's going on, but an increable impact! Sessha'll deal with you with full power!" Nope, he's a chump like the rest. "Are you ok?" "Looks like sessha's injury is more severe~" "(Oops! I hit him too hard!)" "Anyway...I want you to walk down to the 1st floor ok?" "!? Please allow sessha to join your mission!" "We are on a dangerous mission now. Not only that, you look pretty beat up." "...Understood! Good luck!!" "(Sorry~)" "By the way Lady Fina...How did you come out with that much power all of sudden?" No, stop it! "Eh? Well, because our opponent is an expert, I had to fight him with full force! (I c-can't tell her the truth! That I was jelous of her breasts so much...I ended up getting mad~)" We're all in this together now...we're all tainted.  The other Ninja is dispatched quickly, bringing us up to eight. And I discover the next one after a few steps down.  "Only that you won't have it!" "I'll show you!" "Lady Fina! Please don't act like a thief~" "Oops! Sorry! My old habit being a poor peasant for many years just came out..." What the hell are you even talking about? "Even with that, you can't just steal from others!" "You can keep entertaining yourselves after I sent you to hell!" "Hayami, we will talk about this later!" Nope!  "You sure you gonna open it no matter what?" "I just want to see if there's any item useful to our mission." "Sessha think that's not the REAL reason..." "(Oops! She got me~)" Inside the chest is the key I need to access the middle of the castle.  "SEE?! I told you so!" "..." "We are just borrowing the key under the name of justice!" "..."  "Give me a break...~ I can feel little bit of guilt too!" "Haa...*sigh*" I'm close to bringing out the Whiskey again, not gonna lie...  Anyway, before I take on the middle of the castle, I still have to clear the highest floor.  This is the wing where the King sleeps. And Ninja number ten is in the way.  Inside his room, I find a chest with five Jellos. Hayami has no moral objections this time though. When I try to leave the room, a little scene gets triggered. "I don't see the king here as well...Maybe imprisoned at lower dungeon?" "Lady Fina-! Above you!" CLINK-CLANK "Waa~ Th, That was close~" "Tssk! I missed."  Ninja eleven ambushes us out of thin air. The other side of this floor has the room of the prince, and I also need to search it.  Aside from Ninja number twelve, this gives us a sneak-peek into the throne room. The room of the prince also has a chest.  It holds a Broad Sword. It's the same sword that we found while in the mines, and therefore trash. When you leave this room, you trigger another ambush that is exactly like the one before. So let's skip that and move through the middle of the castle now.  Through the locked door...  ..on the floor. Everybody walk the...ah gently caress it. By the way, Orubia learns Holy Cross here. It's a single target spell with a good chunk of holy damage. This allows me to finish the last Ninjas in a single turn. Yay!  Ninja fourteen..  ...and fifteen. Done! "Mission complete!! Let's go join Ryle!" That "go" is meant literal. I have to walk all the way back, still fighting randoms.  "Alright, let's tackle the throne!!" "We should find 5 Shinobis there expecting us." "Watch out for the monsters which Xaktor released inside the castle! And ONE more thing! The King is imprisoned somewhere in this castle!" .png) "!?" "His Highness was not found in his chamber." .png) "Probably down at the dungeon?" .png) "But why the king?" "Maybe for a hostage to make Prince Dyss follow his orders." "I get it! Xaktor threatened the prince to do what he says otherwise the King would be dead!" .png) "But if he's that clever, why not let the monster cell control the prince like the others?" .png) "Why is that?" "He rather use the cells on those Ninjas who are already famous for being 100% loyal to their employer. That kind of bad dude would leave the prince alone?"  "Why not just brainwash the king in the first place? Isn't that more efficient?" "Looks like Xaktor wants the whole world; starting from Factoria. That's why he chose the prince who would be more useful in the long run than the old king. If the prince dies, he must find someone else to continue the throne." You know, for all the garbled mess that this plot is, that makes actual sense! "That gotta be a troublesome task." "Taking the prince also means more advantage over the King." "Advantage?" "If he wants, he can pretend to assassinate the King, then he can raise the army with cause. Soldiers will sympathize with their poor prince who just lost his father. And willing follow any orders. The next step, let the prince start a war against neighboring kingdom for revenge." drat, all this sense-making is really odd. Can somebody be wacky again, please?  "Neighboring kingdom means Meldia!" "Meldia is ruled by the heroes from the "Demonic War". Lord Zestrum and Lady Meldyss!!" .png) "That's too dangerous! If we start a war with that kingdom, others will turn against us!" "Correct! Like Caris said, Meldia is respected by many." "In order to prevent it, we must stop the High Chancellor Xaktor!" .png) "Fina, my group will head for the throne hall! You go rescue the King! If things go bad, try to escape as soon as you His Highness!" "Why not we all attack Xaktor now?" "Absolutely not! If he gets away, the King might get into real danger." "Then how about let the Ninjas take care of him?" "No, they'll handle other matters. Fina and others, search the lower dungeon along with a couple of Ninjas. Let me take care of Xaktor." "...Ok then!" "Well...let's end this fight!!" Nope, let's end this update! Tin Tim fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 16, 2013 |
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Seriously? I mean, yeah, apparently every Japanese person who makes media thinks that women obsess over their breast size, but that just takes things to a whole new level. "I fight with the fury of 10 men because the woman besides me is bustier then me!" is not a very relatable character trait.
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Fina is a loser but you rarely see a finer portrait for murderous rage and that got a few chuckles out of me, so I can't totally hate her.
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Jun 13, 2013 00:25
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This is still painful to read in some places. Urgh.  You're a brave man to go through with this one.
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Jun 13, 2013 00:29
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I don't care what anybody else says. Fina is great. Anybody who can erupt into a Berserker Rage over something so petty is fantastic.
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Jun 13, 2013 00:41
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Tin Tim posted:It was actually neat that you didn't voted for Orubia, The game is rubbing off on you.
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Well then. Our heroes, ladies and gents! On a slight tangent, am I the only one who couldn't figure out what the hell Caris is saying in that first screenshot? I mean, I've got a hunch, but that line is so badly worded and clunky that it's a pain in the rear end to work out.
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Jun 13, 2013 00:44
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It's so out of place when this game acts smart. Back in those mines Ryle showed off his knowledge of spectres and whatnot. Here he accurately predicts what will happen in the future of the kingdom. The quality of writing is so disjointed.
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Fina is so much worse than I remember. quote:On a slight tangent, am I the only one who couldn't figure out what the hell Caris is saying in that first screenshot? I mean, I've got a hunch, but that line is so badly worded and clunky that it's a pain in the rear end to work out. She's saying she'll launch you into the sky like a golf ball if you back out of bringing her.
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SSNeoman posted:It's so out of place when this game acts smart. Yeah, it almost feels like they wanted a rather serious plot but at the SAME TIME the typical harem anime comedy splashed in here and there so they do so and along with the bad Engrish, you end up with + = 
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...and here we have definitive proof that Kyle hasn't ever really talked to girls outside of his mother. Real women don't obsess over bust size as much. Soon I bet we'll have a scene where one of girls eats a lot of food then get ribbed on or get neurotic about being fat.
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Will you please stop saying that the Japanese writer of this game is named Kyle. It has nothing to do with anything but it being a dumb anime "comedy" trope that's included because this game isn't particularly well written.
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I don't know whether or not our team members are the heroes the world needs, but there must be some seriously negative global karma if they're the heroes that the world deserves.
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Tin Tim posted:Haha, holy poo poo, seriously? Now I'm kinda curious what it contains but also frightened because of possible I would've said more, but there's spoilers and I can't PM. One thing I will say, after playing through some of it (via proxy) and watching another person play the rest I didn't play, there's WAY less anime tropism in that game than this one.
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A lot of RPGs try very hard to be serious, so I don't really mind one being silly and juvenile. It's kind of refreshing. Also, I like Hayami's portrait.  The Yucky Icky Meringue or whatever isn't quite as inaccurate as it looks from the description - it has a 60% hit rate. Still seems to unreliable to be useful, though.
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Taciturn Tactician posted:The game is rubbing off on you.
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quote:She's saying she'll launch you into the sky like a golf ball if you back out of bringing her. Whoops! I thought that was the case, just wanted to make sure. Never mind, I'm a complete dolt. Also I think it's a nice touch that Orubia, Hayami, and Fina all have their game faces on in this section. Though I can't say the same for much of this game, I think it's something that more RPGs could do with emulating.
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Soup Inspector posted:Also I think it's a nice touch that Orubia, Hayami, and Fina all have their game faces on in this section. This just made me think: Do Clare and Latyss also don game faces if they are in this party? Just wondering. I suspect the answer is yes, but it would be odd if they didn't.
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Ben Kasack posted:This just made me think: Do Clare and Latyss also don game faces if they are in this party? Just wondering. I suspect the answer is yes, but it would be odd if they didn't. They do, but I'm sure you'll see them later on in the LP so I won't post them yet.
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Jesus Christ, this game  .At what point do you need so much whiskey you can't even update the LP?
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Head Hit Keyboard posted:She's saying she'll launch you into the sky like a golf ball if you back out of bringing her. There's really no explanation for 'on my face' though, she just says 'if you tell me you're cancelling'. ultrafilter posted:Apparently the previous game was called Sacred Dragoon, but there's not a lot of info out there that I can find with a simple Googling. Yeah, I can't find anything at all (at least, on Google) about the previous game, beyond a single page which names that as the previous game. Even then I would've assumed that was just someone misinterpreting the backstory as the premise of a previous game if nobody had posted to the contrary.
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Polsy posted:Yeah, I can't find anything at all (at least, on Google) about the previous game, beyond a single page which names that as the previous game. Even then I would've assumed that was just someone misinterpreting the backstory as the premise of a previous game if nobody had posted to the contrary. So far, what I remember that isn't spoilers is this: The game was made on the PS1 RPG Maker, and was recreated in part on PC before being completely scrapped. Flare is the main character, but wasn't playable at the beginning. The farther we go along, the more I'll have information as spoilers become despoiled.
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alcharagia posted:Fina is a loser but you rarely see a finer portrait for murderous rage and that got a few chuckles out of me, so I can't totally hate her. Ben Kasack posted:Yeah, it almost feels like they wanted a rather serious plot but at the SAME TIME the typical harem anime comedy splashed in here and there so they do so and along with the bad Engrish, you end up with The tides of the writing are really weird if you examine them. The serious parts of this game are honestly okay, and would fly in any other more serious JRPG. I have mentioned Latyss' sidestory a couple of times now, and I honestly like it. It isn't too far away, and I'll be glad when we reach it. But I just can't shake the feeling that Flare started with a serious story idea and then rubbed Anime all over it. Or the other way around. vilkacis posted:The Yucky Icky Meringue or whatever isn't quite as inaccurate as it looks from the description - it has a 60% hit rate. Still seems to unreliable to be useful, though. Ben Kasack posted:This just made me think: Do Clare and Latyss also don game faces if they are in this party? Just wondering. I suspect the answer is yes, but it would be odd if they didn't. Nanomashoes posted:At what point do you need so much whiskey you can't even update the LP? thenightsshadow posted:The farther we go along, the more I'll have information as spoilers become despoiled.  on us when you believe that it's safe to do so.I also started working on the next update and chances are that I'll manage to finish it this weekend. No promises, but know that the next update has the first big twist. 
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Tin Tim posted:The tides of the writing are really weird if you examine them. The serious parts of this game are honestly okay, and would fly in any other more serious JRPG. I have mentioned Latyss' sidestory a couple of times now, and I honestly like it. It isn't too far away, and I'll be glad when we reach it. But I just can't shake the feeling that Flare started with a serious story idea and then rubbed Anime all over it. Or the other way around. I'm actually going to go into this in more detail later one once a few more characters and story are revealed. But while I may not have talked with Flare, I have a pretty good idea about why RW was made the way it was, based on what I played and saw from SD. Tin Tim posted:One thing that's kinda weird about this weapon, is that I'm fairly sure that it also affects Ryle's skills. Like, you'd expect it to only work with his default attack, but I had an uncanny amount of misses when using skills while wielding the sword. Could be my personal perception, but nothing is impossible with this game. In RPG Maker, IIRC, some skills use the weapon accuracy, some use a set accuracy. I don't have the game on my main computer anymore so I can't check. Tin Tim posted:I appreciate that! Just drop the You betcha.
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Yer a Bastard, Ryle  It's time to confront the evil Chancellor!   Is he giving us beauty tips now? "Never thought the evil mastermind behind all of this would say that..." .png) "I have never seen such an odd evil person before, and I can see you look down on everyone." "What's the purpose of doing this! You want to rule the kingdom. Is that is?" "Are you...interrogating MOI? Ryle Laster?" "!?(This guy knows my name!?)" "Or perhaps, I called you a wrong name? Oh yes, you have another name too...Second son of the 25th Factoria King Acemel. Prince Ryle S. Factoria...should I call you that, your Highness?" Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaaat  "!!?" "Ryle is...? Prince of the Factoria Kingdom!!" .png) "!?" "You think that kind of bluffing would throw us into disorder!?" "It's up to you to believe it or not. Since I am not interested in your past but the now. I hate wasting my time on useless jokes. So you should know whether it was a lie or not." "What do you mean?" "To someone like me who already took control of Factoria, the biggest threat now is you Prince Ryle...You, being kind and fair like your brother, are the best leader those rebels need. Which I personally dislike the most~" "...." "And now you boldly come here to let me finish your life....I shall commemorate this day from now on!" .png) "I don't care about the fact that I am a prince or not!" Oh poo poo, Ryle brings his action-face.. .png) "But because of your childish dream, countless lives being lost...THIS I have to take revenge for!" "...Fine then. Shall I take your lives now?" SNAP  .png) "...What you were trying to do?" .png) "You wanted us to witness the power of your rulership, that's why you snapped your fingers?" "...No they couldn't have!" "What's the matter "Your Highness"? "Where are the Ninjas?" It's written all over your face!" "...I see. So you are not as dumb as I thought...That is it eh?" "...It's the basic tactic. To tie up enemies hands and feat by themselves." I like to imagine that Ryle looks really loving smug during this part.  "By themselves?" "...!? Could it be?" "Those Ninjas we rescued came and freed their comrades here, before we entered the place. I guess Fina had told them to do this for me." I really need an emote for PLOT DEVICE "Hehehe..I took the first blow. Like I said before, I hate wasting time..." "All your troops are gone now! What can you do alone?" "But you see, I am the leader. If I loose my hands and feet then I just have to use what's left to finish you off. That simple. Oh and ladies, you don't have to worry about being killed since you all will become MINE." .png) "I seriously refuse the offer...." "I don't want someone who thinks of others as toys!" .png) "Can't stand your crazy talks...Why don't you talk to yourself?" "Well, well, I am being hated more and more. I don't really care if you like it or not. I will decide your preferences..." "The decisions made from such an attitude is easily overthrown! You are like a 3rd rated politician." gently caress you, Flare. That line is offensive to my sense of humor. "Only those with no virtues could have done such things like; brainwashing, authoritarian rule..." "Please don't make me repeat myself. It doesn't matter...I'll be controlling everything." "Then I have to force you off from that throne!" Stabbin time!  "The 2nd Prince is a bit too confident. You can not beat me like that." "We gonna see about that!" "Just surrender now if you don't want any pain!" "Your future ends here..." "Is that all you want to say? It could be your last words.." "I will be saying the exact same words to you real soon!" Sick burn, Ryle. Okay, finally I can do a bit of stabbing. This fight has multiple stages but isn't really hard overall. Right now, Xaktor does nothing special aside from punching.  I've used all my party buffs and just whack him a bunch till the next thing triggers... "I can see why he was able to control the White Shinobi! What a power!" "Hehehe! I just came up with a nice way to deal with you guys!" "What!?"  "Marionette Song-!!"  So is he singing the cells at us or what?  "Waa!!" "Caris!!" "Urg!!" "Latyss!!!!" "HuWahahaha! The 2nd prince dies here by the hands of his dear friends!!" CLING-CLANK! "!! WHAT!?" "Man, that was a big surprise! I thought he got me this time." "If I haven't dodged in time, I would have become his slave." "...Prince Ryle! Was it you? The one who neutralized my Marionette song!?" "Don't make me laugh! I was able to catch up with the super speed of the White Shinobis." "You better be faster than those guys in order to brainwash ME!" "Guess I have underestimated you too much. Prince..." Okay wait, time-out! Did Ryle just deflect the Monster Cells or did he cut the words that Xaktor was singing?.... Nobody knows! This is another fine display of sudden plot-luck for our heroes, and the childish approach towards obstacles. Whatever the enemies will bring, Ryle and friends will just conjure up some bullshit reason why it doesn't work on them. And this could have been an interesting and challenging fight if Xaktor could actually take control of your party members. But nope! Anyway, I continue to whack Xaktor with my best attacks till he goes down.  "You underestimated the strength from people's heart too much. And this is what you get!" "Once you seize and oppress people's heart, they eventually will bounce back to you with the same degree! I don't know much about the royal leadership and all, but someone like you can never fully control it." "If you can't figure that out by now, then you are not good enough to rule the kingdom..." Dude, he is a villain! He doesn't give a poo poo about your values and life lessons. He is evil and wants to gently caress poo poo up. STOP TALKING!   See? That's what you get for making your dumb speeches... "What the!? He's really persistent! God I hate this dude!!" "I can't let you get in my ways any more!!" "So now you would like to fight for real eh?!"  Seems like we're heading into the next phase.. "That's what you shall get!" "You'll be suffering...As painful as those who were hurt by you!" "SHUT UP-!! I am the ruler of you insignificant low-lives!"   "That's! The same Dark Wave we saw at the Dannyon Mine!?" She's talking about the Soul Eater, jfyi. Seems like things are coming together now.. "So this is the one I heard about, the compressed form of Dark Wave, the "Death Wave"-!!" "Kahkahkah! Do you have any idea of the horror of this power?!...Prince Ryle?" "Soul Eater is made of Astral body so the sword attack was useless. But you are different!! Even if you possess the Dark Wave, you still have a body of flesh and bones!" "You will become an excellent food for the low class wraiths!!"  In this phase of the fight, Xaktor is next to invincible. Ryle still does a bit of damage, but Caris and Latyss are both reduced to 1 point of damage. No matter what attack they use on him. On the other hand, his attacks have not gotten much stronger so there is no real danger. Again.... I just keep attacking with Ryle, while the rest does support. I think it's fair to say that the next plot device will get us out of this predicament real soon.  .png) "We can't win if keeping like this..." "That Dark Wave shields him from our sword attacks! We have to get rid of that thing!!" "Ryle! I'll call upon the Wind Elemental to stop Xaktor's movement!" Ah, there we go... "Can you do it?" "Don't know if it will work out or not, but I have to try it! 3 turns! I need that long to complete the summoning!" "Got it!! I'll use everything I got for your safety!" "Listen to me! Winds and Spirits! Come forth to my side..."  Latyss can do nothing for the next three turns, so let's advance time till she does her thing. .png) "Oh Wind Elemental! Please become the fast wind to stop the evil from moving""  .png) "Whoa! Awesome wind blast!!" "Elementals! Grant me the POWER!!"   "Arrrrrrg!! drat winds!!" "I can't do it! With my current magic, I can't fully control the wind!" "Doesn't matter! His movement slowed down a lot! It wore off some of his power!" "Eh?" "Latyss, nice work! We can fight him evenly from now on!" Again, I have no idea what's actually going on here. At first, it seemed like Xaktor had a magical shield, but now it's like a shield of moving particles or something? Whatever, it's all just bullshit! "That...drat ELF!! I'll destroy you all!" "!? (I am finished!!)"*Can't dodge Xaktor's attack* "Watch out!" CLING-CLANK "Urg!!" "Ryle..." "Mm! Prince Ryle!" "You are no longer a threat to me without the Dark Wave! I'll finish you off now!"  Without his bullshit magic, Xaktor is now really weak and I just run a train of powerful moves over him.   Finally! The fight spits out two VPs and a good deal of XP and gold.  "Ryle..?" "Is something wrong?" "I'll carry the prince to his room. All of you go to the lower floor and search for the king.." Apparently, Prince Dyss was just asleep for the whole fight? .png) "I see...I'll take care of it." .png) "Yeah, I got it! Ryle, I'll leave you here then."  "..Gotta be not true. We don't even look similar."  "Let me see, head to the basement..." But when Ryle wants to leave...  "!!..S,Sorry Sire. I didn't mean to wake you up.." "Do you hate dad?" "I don't know what you are talking about..." "What Xaktor said is TRUE! You are the prince.." "Prince Dyss..." "You were born between the King and your mother who worked as royal servant..." And now my update title makes sense! "Prince Dyss..You should get some rest now..." "After you were born, a conspiracy took place in the castle..I was 5 back then. Many royal advisors were concerned of a possible future conflict between 2 princes for the throne. So they planned to assassinate you." "Assassinate me?" "The Chancellor then tried to control the kingdom by using me as their puppet leader, but because of your birth the plan faced a big obstacle. So the Chancellor tried to cover up as you died from disease. I accidently heard this and told the King! During that time, the Chancellor held most of power over the King, and the only thing we could do to save you was stripping your rights away..That means you could not become the next King and the Chancellor did give up chasing after you, after we pretended exiling you out of the castle." So here we have the backstory of Ryle. I personally think that the timeline makes no loving sense at all, but that shouldn't surprise us by now. I guess Prince Dyss is supposed to be older, even if he looks like a kid? Whatever "...." "I know you still gonna hate me for this...But there was nothing I could do as a 5 years old kid back then..." "I don't hate anybody. And my name is Ryle Laster. The prince of Factoria is only your Highness, Prince Dyss..." "Ryle..." "I think it's the best for both of us because I like myself as of now..Please take good care of our Factoria. We will support the kingdom outside." "Let both of us build it together. A better future from each position..." "...Yes Sir."  Well, in light of this new information we should probably look for the King.   Seems like Caris also worked her magic on that door. "Yo! That was quick!" "I just heard! You defeated Xaktor, right?" "Lady Fina's plan...It was a big success!!" "Orubia...how is the King?"  "His Majesty is very exhausted but it's not life-threatening." "How about Prince Dyss?" "I took him to the chamber. Now in sleep."  .png) "Your Majesty-!" "Are you alright?" "..." "I am..no no, Fina Delstar is here in your service, my lord. I am the daughter of Flare Delstar." "...Awe, Lady Sacred Dragoon's" "We heard the dire situation here in Factoria, thus we came forth and found Your Majesty imprisoned here." "Fina, let's escort His Majesty to the chamber." "Right. My lord, we shall proceed to the chamber." "I thank all of you. I have been locked up here for days without food, and I can't walk now...To all the brave ones here, I can't possibly thank you enough right now with mere words. But I thank you from the bottom of my heart..Your bravery and honor are truly exceptional.." "I am in honor to hear the praise, my lord. Now we shall proceed to the upper floor."  "......" "(Ryle, say something! Oh well~)" "It's our honor to be blessed by you, Your Highness." "I want to introduce all of you to the people in our city as the "Heroes of Factoria". If you don't mind?" "But calling us "Heroes" is just too flattering." "If you hadn't stopped Xaktor's evil plan, I wouldn't possibly stand here and thank you. You saved this kingdom." "......" "I want to give a huge parade to welcome heroes." "Please! You can't do that!!" Oh, snap!  "Ryle!?" "Eh!?" "!?" "Wha...what is wrong!?" "Hey! You are being very rude here!" "My lord...Our Factoria is the biggest kingdom on this continent..But what if the people find out that the royalty borrowed outsider's help to solve its internal matters?" "People's confidence toward you will simply collapse as well as the public trust and support!" "And I didn't rescue Your Highness for any personal gain, but for the kingdom's stability. The role of the monarch is to guarantee the people their safety, but you're NOT doing your job now!" "You have to gain back public trust right away!" "I don't want to see our Factoria simply collapse after we worked so hard to take it back from Xaktor!"  "Ryle..." "That's right indeed." "I am sorry that you guys can't be honored in public, but please understand my decision." "You are right..." "Could you accept my proposal? Your Highness!!" "............I accept. I was too careless about your feelings.." "Thank you very much...And, please forgive my rudeness back there..." "Looks like you truly have good potential for a crown prince, Ryle..." "!!" "Eh? That means what Xaktor said was true!!" Yes it was. And I guess it's fair to re-establish this fact, since only Ryle was present during the chat with Prince Dyss. "Eeh!?" "So Xaktor wasn't lying..?"  And now we finally know what secret Hayami was keeping. I also assume that's why she used the "Dono" honorific when talking to him. How did she know? No idea! "Waa?!" "....." "I heard it from Xaktor, "Your other son is still alive and he will definitely come here..."..." ".....My name is Ryle Laster. And I am NOT a prince." "...Did you just deny because you still hate me?" "I just want everyone to see me now as true me...I don't hate anyone." "..But you ARE my son. That's a fact which you can not change." "!!"  "I'm not denying that...but...I can't forgive you!" "What!?"  "Wai...!!" "I'm not talking about what you did to me in the past, but what you have done for current Factoria. You allowed criminals like Xaktor to become the High Chancellor and dragged many innocent lives into it!" Ryle is technically right on that part. I can't imagine that Xaktor was the friendliest guy to begin with. Also, why am I still trying to rationalize the stuff in this game!? "I saw so many grieving the loss of their loved ones on the way here!! Do you know this?!!" "..He's right on that." "Sis Latyss!?"  "Your actions can determine the life and death of those people! I can't forgive such man as father!" "Hey! That's too much!" "You be quiet!" "!!"  "Did you forget? Even I almost lost my life..." .png) "Oh.." "You don't have to worry about me! But you gotta look out for those helpless people!!"  "....." "....Ryle Dono." "....." "Just watch me from now on, Ryle. I'll show you the true vision of our Factoria..." ".....I wait and see...See how much you can do for this kingdom." "......" "Oh Dear Ryle..." "...Hew." "....." "It seems things turned out just fine."  And next time we'll see what happened then!
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