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AJ_Impy posted:Guys, if you don't like the options presented, I did create a J which was taking an unimpressive building to be an embassy for these meetings. change me from DLS to DLJ: establish a little embassy somewhere that isn't the palace the need for privacy seems reasonable and we're going to keep meeting envoys on a semi-regular basis
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We should turn the palace into an ostentatious, lavishly-decorated shrine and throne to our beloved High King, Long May He Reign: SNARLS BARKLEY of which we are merely a servant and shadow of His Barkness' glory, and whose exploits we claim as our own because Ur is not yet ready to receive El's TRUE champion. But you, dear envoy! Yes, you have been granted an extremely rare audience with the Masher of Monsters, the Slayer of Snausages, and for the low, low price of ten gold talents and promise upon pain of death most agonizing and slow to keep His secret, you may receive his slobbery blessings!
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Mar 21, 2024 12:36
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I'm very much opposed to using the Palace or the Temple for receiving diplomatic parties. I honestly believe we should do what 3Dad would do and have a place set aside in our home that is rich enough in quality that conveys our wealth and craftsmanship, but maintaining the Zepathan spartan aesthetic. A large meeting room attached to a place of importance, say near the market would work too.
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Mar 21, 2024 13:16
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:I'm very much opposed to using the Palace or the Temple for receiving diplomatic parties. I honestly believe we should do what 3Dad would do and have a place set aside in our home that is rich enough in quality that conveys our wealth and craftsmanship, but maintaining the Zepathan spartan aesthetic. A large meeting room attached to a place of importance, say near the market would work too. This. We are not a donut king and shouldn't ape their ways. We also have nothing to prove, we don't need to show off to envoys.
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Mar 21, 2024 13:44
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I voted for our house, but I still like the idea of the palace IF the palace becomes our academy. We're going to bootstrap cunning Enkidel.
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Mar 21, 2024 13:48
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Cast_No_Shadow posted:We also have nothing to prove, we don't need to show off to envoys. 
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Mar 21, 2024 14:34
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I just like palaces. Palaces are cool. Humility is a fake virtue, kickass golden palaces 4 lyfe.
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Mar 21, 2024 15:27
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1. A 2. K 3. S Quick vote count: 1. A- 11 B- 12 C- 3 D- 2 E- 3 J- 1 H- 2 2. K- 6 L- 27 N- 1 3. P- 3 R- 9 S- 18 T- 1 Q- 2 B Decadent palace up by 1 vote. L mostly market place and often in other places with a commanding lead. S Meet the dog king in detailed update up by twice the votes of meet the dog king in a summary auto npckidel update. Note the custom votes for each number are: 1. J 2. N 3. T Polgas fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Mar 21, 2024 |
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Mar 21, 2024 17:22
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Using a section of our home is fine, once it's not an active construction zone. We recognize that we might need a more private space than in the market and it's very obvious that the temple is off limits for mortal affairs that don't directly involve El. If we start trying to use the temple to influence these actions it gets us into trouble for maybe trying to claim divine knowledge. Our political dealings are ours, not El's. So while the house is under renovation it's probably fine to use a mostly looted but already furnished palace out of convenience. BLR Nyaa posted:People are voting palace because “It will probably also impress many of Zepathans, even if the elite of Zepathan society won't like it.” Pissing off the Zepathan elite is related to where we hold court, not where we meet envoys. Unless people are voting to hold court in the palace, which the count doesn't support. Olothreutes fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Mar 21, 2024 |
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Mar 21, 2024 17:29
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Sorry to keep you folks waiting, I am super busy and I'm going to be super busy for several days. If I get lucky things could change but we are probably not even going to have time to get you questions and bring anyone else to the meeting with the envoys right now.
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Mar 21, 2024 18:04
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My concern with going 'well right now our house is under construction so we'll use the fancy place for now' is that the current vote isn't "Where do you meet with this specific set of diplomats at this moment in time?" It's "Where do you meet diplomats?" If we vote for the palace now, I'm sceptical we're going to get another vote in a year or so going "Now that your home is nicer do you want to change?" I mean we could, especially if we push, but historically we don't really do that, and Diog doesn't often hold votes to change tactics we just voted on.
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Mar 21, 2024 21:18
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C to A
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Mar 21, 2024 21:29
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Do King poo poo at the palace and compartmentalize it away from our home life.
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uh oh yeah going to have to re change my vote due to inadequate understanding of the alphabet
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Mar 22, 2024 00:10
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Have a new vote every time somebody wants to meet us
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Mar 22, 2024 01:10
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Change from A to J embassy It can double as foreign dignitary quarters that are totally not bugged
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Mar 22, 2024 04:12
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 Invent the Embassy/Casino and Competitive Sword Throwing Range.
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Mar 22, 2024 05:44
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Fine, we're going to build our own embassy! With blackjack, and sword throwing!
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BLR We have an entire palace which is currently unused, of course we should use it to conduct diplomatic matters. Anything else feels like overthinking a very basic solution.
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Mar 22, 2024 10:47
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1. D changing to 1. A Yeah our living room is fine, I hadn't thought much about the need for privacy in the market. I would also accept the embassy, but I kinda like the precedent of the king's living room in a random apartment building. I would definitely like it to not be the palace, if our own people don't warrant the palace then random Donuts absolutely don't either. I want the palace to be rededicated as our symposium/laybury.
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Mar 22, 2024 14:24
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Crazycryodude posted:1. D changing to 1. A Im actually looking at it the opposite way. It is not that our people don’t warrant the palace, it is that the random donuts don’t warrant the informality that is reserved for our own people.
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Mar 22, 2024 15:07
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What do we want to esteem? I think there is already momentum to change the palace into an academy/laybury etc. Having our meetings in a private library there shows our priorities. and then when we get our next boon, cunning Enkidel... So.. Changing from A to B Whoever mentioned that the elite only care about the place we hold court is also a factor for me. Meeting envoys in the palace doesn't move the needle there it seems like.
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Mar 22, 2024 17:52
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Personally, I just like the Zepathan reputation for being stoic and not caring about pomp and circumstance. I'd like it to continue, and diplomats are the dudes that are going to be spreading news to neighbouring cities and rulers of how our elite behave. I'd like it to be known that the King of Zepath, the Hero Enkidel, the Giant Demon Slayer, meets emissaries in his house, or some market stall, or in a library, or wherever he just happens to be at that moment. That we paused diplomatic discussions at one point to deal with a dispute between some farmers walking by or something.
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Mar 23, 2024 05:29
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This is a perfect opportunity to conduct diplomacy with the dog people out of s barrel.
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1. Changing from B to A
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Why the hell would we want Donut scumbags polluting our house? It’s a bit that worked in Zepath, when the only people who we’d meet in our house were people who, let’s be honest, earned our time of day based solely on the fact they journeyed to Eldamn Zepath Here it’s just going to be a revolving door of motherfuckers trying to make their problems ours
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alpaca diseases posted:Why the hell would we want Donut scumbags polluting our house? So why should we do anything other than show them exactly who we are and what we stand for? Doing diplomacy in a palace is only going to encourage Donut people because it shows we are like them. The revolving doors of motherfuckers are already here. There's like 15 options. They need to know when they step in what we are like. A palace is not it.
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Mar 23, 2024 11:45
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Is there anyone here who wants to keep the palace as a palace?
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Tsyni posted:Is there anyone here who wants to keep the palace as a palace? I think we have different visions for it, but ultimately I don’t think any of us plan to live in it or turn it into Kubla Khan’s stately pleasure dome. I foresee it morphing into a civic and administrative hub, personally. Which is part of why I’m voting for it. I see it as just our finest and most centralized government building. FoxTerrier fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Mar 23, 2024 |
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Mar 23, 2024 14:28
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Tsyni posted:Is there anyone here who wants to keep the palace as a palace? yeah, this has been tainting the discussion a bit. Most people wnated to either turn it into the Laybury, a Lefkandi adjacent workshop, the HQ of the civil service, etc. The first two would be cool to "raise the importance" of such endeavors, the last one just makes sense in a practical way. Nobody voting for palace wants to meet envoys in a room with a throne and gold leafed walls.
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Ok so does anyone voting A think that meeting envoys in the civic hq/laybury is bad?
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FoxTerrier posted:I think we have different visions for it, but ultimately I don’t think any of us plan to live in it or turn it into Kubla Khan’s stately pleasure dome. Same. Like I said before, the idea of the palace as a city hall is a good one.
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Yeah, I feel the overarching consensus is that we want to turn the palace into a form of city hall/civic centre for the arts, and I don't see how that project is incompatible with also using it for beurocracy. Just do what every other politician dies and set aside a meeting room, it doesn't need to be an either/or situation and moving official business there doesn't mean we're going to be perched atop a throne and demanding people kneel before us.
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Mar 23, 2024 18:47
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Meet people in a random backroom of the palace, and have everyone enter through a side door. Keep the throne room empty and disused at all times to show our contempt for donut king poo poo.
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Mr. Nemo posted:Nobody voting for palace wants to meet envoys in a room with a throne and gold leafed walls. lowkey wasn't kidding about making it the palace for King Snarls the First of His Bark Outrail posted:Meet people in a random backroom of the palace, and have everyone enter through a side door. Keep the throne room empty and disused at all times to show our contempt for donut king poo poo. Make the throne room a stall for livestock awaiting sacrifice at the temple.
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Just get rid of the throne room. Put something more Kavodelian in its place.
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McSpanky posted:lowkey wasn't kidding about making it the palace for King Snarls the First of His Bark 'You have earned an audience with the king, in the throne room'
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Tsyni posted:Ok so does anyone voting A think that meeting envoys in the civic hq/laybury is bad? Nah, I'm with you on thinking that meeting in whatever Academy or whatnot that we turn the Palace into is cool. But it's not that thing yet. And who knows when it will be? Especially if we start cementing it as our diplomatic embassy.
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Yall always overthink things. Just ditch the throne and keep the throne room as a nice large, open receiving area. Install some nice benches, a beer cooler, and a massive dog bed for pizzaz. Bam, done.
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FoxTerrier posted:Yall always overthink things. Just ditch the throne and keep the throne room as a nice large, open receiving area. Install some nice benches, a beer cooler, and a massive dog bed for pizzaz. Bam, done.
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