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Man, I just love seeing all this speculation.  What if everyone is lying about themselves? After all, that's what everyone did in 999.
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judgementbringer posted:Man, I just love seeing all this speculation.
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Nov 24, 2013 10:58
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lotus circle posted:I wouldn't say everyone was lying. Junpei excluded, Seven just lost his memories and Lotus hid information, but she was the one most out of the loop with what was going on. Everyone else on the other hand... Right, and right now the only people who probably aren't lying are Sigma, who we saw get kidnapped, and K, who seems to genuinely not remember. Other than that, Tenmyouji knows something about Clover that put her in a position to trust him enough to vote Ally when he went Betray. Clove and Alice are clearly closer than they make it seem here. Dio is a loving rear end in a top hat, and we have no idea why he didn't vote betray. There's a GAULEM running about, Phi knew who Sigma was before Sigma had introduced himself. And given that we just established that Sigma had a freak-out vision of another timeline or the future or whatever, that seems to be a big hint. The only person we can not ascertain is lying about herself is Luna. The others are either not telling about themselves, OR don't remember. And as a drugged up doctor used to say "Everybody Lies."
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Nov 24, 2013 11:32
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I like how you didn't even mention Quark.
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Nov 24, 2013 11:38
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lotus circle posted:I wouldn't say everyone was lying. Junpei excluded, Seven just lost his memories and Lotus hid information, but she was the one most out of the loop with what was going on. Everyone else on the other hand... Okay, technically not everyone was lying per se. But even those three, (yes I'm including Junpei), were unreliable sources of information. You couldn't really trust anyone to provide the correct info. You didn't get all the pieces of the puzzle until the very end.
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Nov 24, 2013 11:51
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alcharagia posted:I like how you didn't even mention Quark. What do we know about Quark beyond him having Radical-6, a disease that doesn't make sense given our cripplingly limited knowledge
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Nov 24, 2013 11:58
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Onmi posted:What do we know about Quark beyond him having Radical-6, a disease that doesn't make sense given our cripplingly limited knowledge He knows Tenmyouji, and is close to him, and they refuse to explain why. He's smarter than an average 10 year old kid.
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Nov 24, 2013 13:27
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Eeepies posted:He knows Tenmyouji, and is close to him, and they refuse to explain why. He's smarter than an average 10 year old kid. Quark doesn't refuse to say why, does he? I don't think anyone has actually asked him. He was pretty open about calling Tenmyouji "grandpa" and talking about his adult film collection like they know each other vey well and Quark has spent time in Tenmyouji's house.
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Nov 24, 2013 14:16
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I don't believe Dio for a second about being a circus ringleader, despite his appearance. It seemed almost like there were part truths in there-like maybe he really does lead a group of 50 people around the world doing things, but I doubt it's anything to do with the circus. Ten seems the most sincere/least likely to be lying to me for some reason, apart from Luna. The comments about Alice not looking like a detective were great
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Nov 24, 2013 14:58
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Battle Pigeon posted:The comments about Alice not looking like a detective were great Couldn't agree more. Especially as I've just got home from a party where a judge was dressed as a dalek. Maybe Alice and Dio were going to a fancy dress party together.
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Nov 24, 2013 15:15
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It's a post-apocalyptic future where everybody is so twisted and mutated by nuclear radiation that they've all been conscripted into the freak shows of wandering circus ringleaders. Quark's indecisive nature comes because he's actually a pair of twins conjoined at the head by a thin, fleshy vein; one of them keeps the other wadded up into a ball inside his hat.
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Nov 24, 2013 19:24
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:It's a post-apocalyptic future where everybody is so twisted and mutated by nuclear radiation that they've all been conscripted into the freak shows of wandering circus ringleaders. Quark's indecisive nature comes because he's actually a pair of twins conjoined at the head by a thin, fleshy vein; one of them keeps the other wadded up into a ball inside his hat. That can't be right - we've seen Quark without his hat when he was trying to kill himself, and there was no vein. Everything else sounds plausible, though!
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Nov 24, 2013 19:31
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I really get the sense from Tenmyouji's cryptic comment that Quark is the one who's a robot. It would fit both not really being an elementary school kid and other statements Ten has said (he seems at times to not want to say he's literally his grandpa, which would make more sense if he built/purchased him). Contrary to that is the 'Radical-6' that Quark has, but we can't be entirely sure that he really has the disease. I tend to side more with the idea that it is a hoax, or at the least that Quark doesn't have the virus.
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Nov 24, 2013 20:09
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I thought it was more he dropped out of elementary school somehow.
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Nov 24, 2013 20:20
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Quark IS an elementary school. His body is inhabited by the youngest members of a race of tiny beings that learn basic principles of life and academics by controlling parts of his anatomy. The so-called Radical-6 infection was just class 5-C getting a little out of control after missing naptime and trying to drive a scalpel into the heart of classroom 5-B, thus ending the years-long rivalry between the two classes.
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Nov 24, 2013 21:15
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Nidoking posted:Quark IS an elementary school. His body is inhabited by the youngest members of a race of tiny beings that learn basic principles of life and academics by controlling parts of his anatomy. The so-called Radical-6 infection was just class 5-C getting a little out of control after missing naptime and trying to drive a scalpel into the heart of classroom 5-B, thus ending the years-long rivalry between the two classes. 
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Nov 24, 2013 21:23
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Sentient Data posted:Phi did have that super-jump out of the elevator at the very beginning, but who knows if that was actually relevant or just anime flavoring like Alice's (lack of) clothes or the Snackhat™. I vaguely recall another instance of Phi displaying inhuman physical capabilities. I remember Sigma thinking that she run/moved at some point with impossibly fast speed, though where exactly (in a latter half of route) I can't say. I wish she wasn't a robot, but it seems very likely to me if there has to be one among the cast of characters. MrCinos fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Nov 24, 2013 |
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Nov 24, 2013 21:58
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ToastGhost posted:In a game with cockney robots, cave-girl waitresses, unfrozen mummies, and a guy who was cursed and slightly uncursed by cats, I have to say even that sounds a little far-fetched. That IS the point - having beaten the game myself, I don't want anyone to think I'm giving away correct information, nor do I want anyone to think I'm purposefully misleading any readers by providing information that sounds like it could be correct, but clearly isn't because I'm extremely careful about spoilers. The only option left is to go totally off the wall and say things that are so ridiculous they're so clearly untrue that nobody could possibly mistake them for the truth. Not that the game isn't capable of doing that as well, but when I do it, you know it's made up.
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Nov 24, 2013 22:08
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Kangra posted:I really get the sense from Tenmyouji's cryptic comment that Quark is the one who's a robot. It would fit both not really being an elementary school kid and other statements Ten has said (he seems at times to not want to say he's literally his grandpa, which would make more sense if he built/purchased him). Robot Quark could still have Radical-6...if Radical-6 is a computer virus. It would explain why Quark has so far been the only player obviously infected by it despite everyone being exposed to him for long periods of time.
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Nov 24, 2013 23:56
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I don't think Radical 6 itself is a computer virus. Now it could be a simulated Radical 6 in robo-quark. And again, the game didn't say there was only one robot among the game participants.
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Nov 25, 2013 00:07
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Quiet Python posted:if Radical-6 is a computer virus. 
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Nidoking posted:Quark IS an elementary school. His body is inhabited by the youngest members of a race of tiny beings that learn basic principles of life and academics by controlling parts of his anatomy. The so-called Radical-6 infection was just class 5-C getting a little out of control after missing naptime and trying to drive a scalpel into the heart of classroom 5-B, thus ending the years-long rivalry between the two classes. So what you're saying is that this is all Miss Frizzle's fault somehow?
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legoman727 posted:So what you're saying is that this is all Miss Frizzle's fault somehow? Please let this be a normal Nonary Game...
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Today we're going on a field trip to learn about game theory!
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Nov 25, 2013 02:06
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We never used to meet AI rabbits that would make us play death games at my old school.
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Nov 25, 2013 02:18
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With all the puns, Junpei was basically Carlos.
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Nov 25, 2013 03:16
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According to my research, a tit-for-tat strategy is our best hope for survival.
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Nov 25, 2013 03:24
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Fallord posted:People keep saying this whenever the topic is brought up, but 999 had no problem showing Junpei's face in several in-game graphics. Going to point out that in 999, we were technically playing as young June. Spaghetti deaths and whatnot.
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Nov 25, 2013 06:16
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Mister Roboto posted:The gas clearly just messed him up, which in itself a reference to 999: I was wondering what the heck that scene meant for the longest time. Even as we reached the ending, I was waiting for something to bring us back to that moment for explanation, but I guess that whole scene was there just for showing Junpei's "Just got kidnapped" expression and all also throwing off the people who knew about Ever17.
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Nov 25, 2013 09:34
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I didn't notice it until I just read that post, but Junpei is written in third person, UNlike most POV novel protagonists (i.e. Phoenix Wright, Sigma, etc.). Such a small detail about Junpei that you'd only get on a replay.
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Nov 25, 2013 09:43
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Mister Roboto posted:I didn't notice it until I just read that post, but Junpei is written in third person, UNlike most POV novel protagonists (i.e. Phoenix Wright, Sigma, etc.). I'unno, the third person writing in 999 is pretty much the first thing I noticed. Never been that much of a VN guy but from those that I have played, it immediately stuck out as atypical, and I was kind of wondering who the narrator was for much of it.
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We continue our rounds. VLR OST: [Sinisterness] Listen in: [English/Japanese] Can I get you a seat? Are you some kind of waitress? What do you mean, what do I want? I just came here to check up on you guys. You better not be underage. I turned 21 just the other day. I see... Well, I guess we could probably have a drink or two, then. ...Unfortunately, as much fun as that sounds like, I don't think it's a very good idea. Why not? This isn't really a good time to be getting wasted. Really? It seems like this sort of thing is exactly what makes people want to drink in the first place. Hmmm... You've got a point. I'm just kidding. Besides, I've got a headache. Drinking is... probably not the best plan. It hasn't gone away yet? Well, it was fine for a while, but now I guess the bastard's back. Are you all right? Yeah, I'm sure if I just leave it alone it'll go away in a bit. That's how it went before, anyway. ... ... What? The headaches? Uh-huh. Now that you mention it, yeah, I did get one a bit ago. I feel fine now, though. What about you, Luna? Um... You know, I think I did have a bit of a headache earlier... Well... Well what? Your head feels weird? No. My body feels weird. Like, my whole body. Do you feel kind of... numb? I think I've got the same thing. It's kinda like... Hmm... Like when you fall asleep on top of one of your arms... And then when you wake up, that arm kind of feels like it's not really yours anymore? It's not just my arm, though... My whole body feels kind of... numb and foreign... Really? It's kind of like my body isn't really mine... I'm sort of... floating. Like that? Yeah! Exactly! Maybe it's because of the anesthetic gas. The what now? Oh, yeah. Right... You think this might be some kind of side effect? Well, it could be a side effect, or it could be that it just hasn't worn off completely yet. Hmm... All right. I'll go have a look somewhere else, then. You guys going to stick around here? Yeah. I haven't really taken a good look at everything yet. Okay. Catch you later then. [Music fades out] Attentive players may have noticed a slight discrepancy in this little section; Clover was stated to be 18 in 999, and VLR is stated to be a year after that, and yet here Clover is telling us she's actually 21. Much has been made of this contradiction; is she lying? Is it a Writing Goof™? Well, spoiler alert; it's probably just the localizers picking the lesser of two evils. For all the dark, gory child-inappropriate stuff that went down in 999, no one ever alluded to drinking alcohol around Clover, so no one minded her being 18. But her being 18 in VLR would lead to Aksys getting slapped for promoting underage drinking! So, best guess, rather than deal with that they just grit their teeth and introduced a little discrepancy. Dealing with age ratings is actually kind of a running theme in this game. Uchikoshi has gone on record stating he was under pressure from publishers to keep the game's rating down - which is probably why that old woman got away with a nice dignified stab wound rather than being turned into lasagne. Anyway... VLR OST: [Anxiousness] Listen in: [English/Japanese] Perfect timing. You were in the crew quarters before, weren't you? Yeah, I was. Phi, Alice and I went through all the rooms. Did you find anything... suspicious? Like a secret door or something? If I had, you really think I wouldn't have told you? Anything else out of the ordinary, perhaps? Out of the ordinary... Hmm... Huh? Oh, that's a book ameowt cats. ..."Ameowt"? Oh, sorry... It's just this thing that's happened to me ever since I was a kid. Whenever I start talking about cats, I start talking like one. It doesn't really mean anything, though. O-Okay... Ha ha ha ha... That's weird! ... So what's the cat book about? Oh... Well, there's this quantum physics thought expurrrrrriment called "Schrödinger's Cat". This book talks ameowt it. Oh, yes. I've heard about that. A cat is put in a box with a device that has a random chance to release a poison which will kill the cat. That means the cat is both alive and dead until someone opens the box. Something like that, right? Meowby? ...What? I don't really know anything ameowt it. I'm just telling you what Phi told me. So it purrrrobably isn't going to give us any hints, then. Quark... You're doing it too. Oops... He he. What do you mean? You checked out the lounge with Clover and Tenmyouji, and Quark was in the infirmary with Dio and Luna. Anything suspicious there? Well, this whole facility is pretty suspicious, but... I suppose that's not what you meant. Well, the puzzles in the lounge were lunar eclipse-themed. Lunar eclipse? Yes. Apparently, there's supposed to be a lunar eclipse on December 31st, 2028. All the puzzles were related to that somehow. Isn't that this New Year's Eve? I suppose it is. Well, I can't say I know what year, or even what day it is, but... Clover was saying something to that effect. Listen in: [English/Japanese] Did you find anything there? Yeah. We did find something. Just one thing, though. What was it? Dio and Luna didn't tell you? No... Okay. I've got it right here. Just a second... [Music fades out] I'll spare you the reiteration. 999 OST: [Riddle and Puzzle] It seems a little hard to believe. If it really is some kind of pandemic, though... That sounds like a pretty big deal. Yes, it does. There hasn't been anything on the news, though. This is the first time I've even heard the term "Radical-6". Is there a pandemic raging on the other side of these walls? ... ... ... [Music fades out] Listen in: [English/Japanese] Has something happened? Yes! ...I mean, sort of! I mean we found something! What did you find? It's horrible! It's really scary! ...Horrible? VLR OST: [Strain] Argh! Never mind! Just shut up and follow me! You'll understand when you see it! Where is it? It's right over here in the next room! Just follow me!
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Nov 28, 2013 05:30
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Nov 28, 2013 05:34
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Holy crap, it's...it's...uh, it's...something. A bomb? Also I have to say that if Sigma's cat pun curse/fixation/whatever ever turns out to be meaningful something in my brain will probably burst.
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Nov 28, 2013 05:41
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Oh my god, Sigma a bomb!
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Nov 28, 2013 05:41
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Is that supposed to be a magnetic bottle or something?
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Nov 28, 2013 05:41
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Clover was supposed to be 18 in 999?
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Nov 28, 2013 05:41
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It's a blueberry!
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Nov 28, 2013 05:47
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Wasnt that a thing in Sigma's flashback/premonition moment?
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