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Or drag it out as long as possible so we can create a Moon Crew gangtag
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Even outside of an eclipse, the moon can look red if there's a lot of particles in the air, and some full moons look very orangey even without that, so the concept of "moon being very red" isn't totally outlandish, and then there's how red the moon can sometimes look during a completely full eclipse. The Earth, on the other hand, would not look like that from the Moon unless something disastrous had happened to both the land and the water, both to change their color and change their distinctive shape, and there'd also be the serious issue of much lower gravity. The only other celestial object the red thing could reasonably be would be Mars, which would explain the color, but it would only be that large if seen from Phobos or Deimos, where the problem of lower gravity would be even worse (0.006 m/s2 or 0.003 m/s2 compared to 1.6 m/s2 for the moon or 9.8 m/s2 for Earth). The problem of "how did they get to the non-Earth object" is not nearly as big a problem as "why didn't they notice the lack of gravity", unless we also want to posit artificial gravity on the moon base. I mean, I can't blame anyone for thinking "whoa that's Mars" or "whoa we're on the Moon and the Earth is exploding" because Mars was my first thought too - it's just that my second thought was "...and nobody is floating, and objects are staying put, so..." which makes "the round thing in the sky is a really red moon" make a lot more sense than any alternative explanation.
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ProfessorProf posted:Nobody has accidentally stumbled awkwardly and careened across the room due to trying to run in one-sixth Earth's gravity. Nobody has noticed that anything that falls takes an order of magnitude longer than normal to get there, or that the slightest effort can launch us towards the ceiling of any room. Nearly every aspect of moving and experiencing the world around us would be different if we were secretly on the moon. Precisely, it's completely obvious that this is all taking place in some sort of upside-down sky castle.
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Trick Question posted:Precisely, it's completely obvious that this is all taking place in some sort of upside-down sky castle. "But why did that make Phi go so much quicker too?" Shut up, that's why.
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ProfessorProf posted:Nobody has accidentally stumbled awkwardly and careened across the room due to trying to run in one-sixth Earth's gravity. Nobody has noticed that anything that falls takes an order of magnitude longer than normal to get there, or that the slightest effort can launch us towards the ceiling of any room. Nearly every aspect of moving and experiencing the world around us would be different if we were secretly on the moon. 
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Look, it's very simple. The Moon was never made of rock in the first place. It was the giant eggshell of a massive space bird, the last of its species in the known universe, and it hatched. The Moon no longer exists because it was replaced by a completely different thing that happens to have exactly the same mass as what the Moon was. That's why we can't be on the Moon and all other arguments are invalid.
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Nidoking posted:Look, it's very simple. The Moon was never made of rock in the first place. It was the giant eggshell of a massive space bird, the last of its species in the known universe, and it hatched. The Moon no longer exists because it was replaced by a completely different thing that happens to have exactly the same mass as what the Moon was. That's why we can't be on the Moon and all other arguments are invalid. We can't be on the moon because Eggman blew it up with a laser shaped like his face.
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Oct 6, 2014 02:33
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Bruceski posted:We can't be on the moon because Eggman blew it up with a laser shaped like his face. Ugh, spoilers. That was clearly a different timeline, and we haven't gotten to that one yet!
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You're all gonna feel stupid when it turns out we're on Pluto.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:You're all gonna feel stupid when it turns out we're on Pluto. What's the big red circle in the sky, then, fellow geometric object? 
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zonohedron posted:What's the big red circle in the sky, then, fellow geometric object? Charon.
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You all have such wild imaginations, that object in the sky is obviously a glow-in-the-dark red balloon anchored to the ground by a thin string.
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It's Dio's ego.
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Super Jay Mann posted:You all have such wild imaginations, that object in the sky is obviously a glow-in-the-dark red balloon anchored to the ground by a thin string. 99 red balloons(?), shining in the Dio's gone, nine points for him. Escaped from Zero to who knows where. The nine door opens just one time, six sad souls get left behind. Something red glows way up high, how will things get screwed up this time?
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alcharagia posted:It's Dio's ego. Not large enough.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Not large enough. It's really, really, REALLY far away.
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I unlocked a top hat in Smash Bros so I got a bit creative. 
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Oct 6, 2014 08:28
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There's a JoJo joke in here somewhere.
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Bruceski posted:I unlocked a top hat in Smash Bros so I got a bit creative. Ay Dios Mio... I'll show myself out.
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zonohedron posted:What's the big red circle in the sky, then, fellow geometric object? Shoggoths.
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Logicblade posted:Ay Dios Mio... Aye, Dio's Mii-o. It's me, I'm part of the problem.
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Just read through this whole thread, cant wait for next part. Also, some minor speculation.  Quark's Hat dosent look like a Snack Hat like the file is telling us. They honestly look more like head-mounted lights. If the file just left the light part out for whatever reason, then its probably more of a "survival hat". Seems strange the file would leave out that those are headlamps/would double as headlamps if that is the case though. Maybe Quark is an Urbexer or Outdoors kid? Dont think we heard how Tenmyouji and Quark got kidnapped (Unless my memory is bad) so maybe they were out in the woods when Zero nabbed them. Calebc789 fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 7, 2014 |
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Relevant to recent discussion in this thread:Google posted:Ok Google, what does a total lunar eclipse look like?
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W.T. Fits posted:Relevant to recent discussion in this thread: Cue the next update Dio posted:See that red thing? That's Venus, that's where I come from. Your scientists rocketed it farther away from the sun as part of a terraforming effort, but I brought Radical 6 from my planet's atmosphere to stop you from killing my people!
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Speaking of total lunar eclipses, Australia and America's kinda sorta getting to see one tomorrow.
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Calebc789 posted:Just read through this whole thread, cant wait for next part. Many of the secret files are just jokes and shouldn't be considered when speculating on the plot as a whole.
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Waffleman_ posted:Many of the secret files are just jokes and shouldn't be considered when speculating on the plot as a whole. Quark's snack hat is 100% canon and I won't let anyone tell me otherwise!
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There's nothing weird about the hat. Clearly Quark was kidnapped at a Superbowl game.
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VLR OST: [Sublimity] Listen in: [English/Japanese] Looks like a desert. I can see that! The question is which desert! I don't know. I can tell you what day it is, though. Huh? This must be a total lunar eclipse. Oh yeah, I remember you talking about that in the lounge. That doesn't mean the Moon just disappears or turns black, though. It actually reflects light that's passed through the Earth's atmosphere. ...But this makes it appear to be red. Essentially what's happening is that the Moon is reflecting the sunset. ... That's what the magazine said, at least. So today is December 31st. Wait, poo poo, if I got grabbed Christmas morning, then that means I've been here six days?! Looks like it. ... ... Okay... And where would that be? There has to be one around somewhere. Even deserts have some towns, whether they're in the Mojave, Sahara or Gobi... That's not what I'm worried about, though. What are you worried about? ... ... Forget it. Doesn't matter right now. Oh come on! Tell me! I'm curious now! Impossible as it might seem, I could have sworn I heard her frown. If Alice was right about the virus... Are you saying humankind might be extinct?! ... What the hell! No way! That's impossible! A whole species can't just die out in six days! That's-- I hope it's not the case, of course. But there's the possibility... ... Whatever. We should get moving. There's still four people stuck in there, including Quark. We need to find help and come back for them. ... ... Okay. [Music fades out] I turned to take a step-- There was a rough crackle over the radio, and the sound of someone falling. I turned back to see Phi on the ground. I ran over and helped lift her back up. She fumbled for a second then clambered to her feet. VLR OST: [Consternation] Her voice was low and rough. Ah, I see. Hm. This timeline... Timeline...? She didn't respond. I was about to begin a more irate line of questioning when she suddenly grabbed me by the shoulders. D-Dio...? Oh yeah... I haven't seen him since we got out. I'm sure he was with us when we left... poo poo... We need to split up and find him! Wh-Why...? Because he needs to tell me something! Why are you asking me this?! ... ... ...What? Don't tell me you forgot-- Wait... maybe not... He must not have made this jump... She wasn't making any sense. Damnit! Look, forget about that! Just find Dio! O-Okay... drat... Don't see him anywhere... Where the hell'd that guy go? I was looking around, trying to decide where to go next, when I heard them. The signal must have degraded, but I could still make out a few words. Listen in: [English/Japanese] ----ey----hell are you----ing? ----e, Dio. VLR OST: [Strain] Their voices were cutting in and out, but... I'd heard that last word clear as day. "Dio". Sounded like Phi had found him. I spun around and took off in her direction. (Transmitter...?) ----see---- Phone----ome? Bet Free----Soul's anxious----from you. ----hell do you----? Heh... I know ev----about you. ----know you're---midons. The transmission was getting clearer. I had to be getting closer. Never mind that. I----ask you something. What's the password for the number zero---- ("Number zero"...?) ---the hell---you, man? I am no man. How the hell can you crack jokes right now? You haven't given me my answer. What's the deactivation code? ... ... ... ... Hey, what're you-- Rgh--! Stop! poo poo! That didn't sound good! I sped up, and quickly crested the hell in front of me. [Music fades out] There they were-- I went down the hell as fast as I could, half running, half sliding. With the suits on, I couldn't tell who was who, but I had to stop them! I clambered to my feet, slightly winded from my ordeal. The suited figure I'd slammed against lay on the ground next to the other one. VLR OST: [Sinisterness] His eyes were closed, almost like he was just sleeping. My tackle must have knocked him out. Listen in: [English/Japanese] No sweat. What's this transmitter you were talking about? You heard, huh? Yeah. Well, it's right over there. See that briefcase-looking thing? Where the hell did he get it? Probably had it hidden somewhere. Wait... hidden? Yeah, probably. My guess is he came here, hid the transmitter, and then snuck into the building. Snuck in...? I wasn't quite sure what to make of that, so I decided to take a closer look at the transmitter. There was a screen on the upper part with a bunch of numbers that looked... well, like nothing. What the heck is this? Is that some kind of phone number? No, it's too long for that. It's twenty-five digits. What is it then? Don't know. I assume it's some kind of code, but I don't see a key to decode it with. I heard an odd crackling noise in my helmet. It took me a moment to realize it was a voice... Dio's voice. What's so funny? Sorry, haha, you guys just had it so loving backwards I couldn't help myself. You can't find the key to decode it? Well no poo poo. The key's right in front of your face. What...? The message is somewhere else. You need those twenty-five numbers to decode it. None of what he was saying made any sense to me. Who were you trying to call with this thing? What, you don't know? At least one of you is appropriately ignorant... ... Fine. Whatever. Might as well tell you. I don't really have any reason to hide my identity now that my mission's a success. Besides, she'll probably tell you if I don't. Might as well hear it straight from the horse's mouth. [Music fades out] Dio shifted his hands behind his head, but didn't bother to get up. VLR OST: [Clarification] Then again, from their point of view I suppose we might be. We're trying to tear down the corrupt world they've built, after all. But when the sun dawns for the first time on our new world, we'll be hailed as saints--holy messengers who cleansed the filth from a dying planet. Well, only a handful of people will really become saints. Not even all of the Myrmidons will be guaranteed sainthood. First you have to be raised with the teachings of Free the Soul from birth. Then you have to be chosen to join the ranks of the elite, and achieve great things. Returning from this mission would secure my position. Free the Soul is built around the teachings of a man named "Brother", who founded our order many years ago. His teachings are too profound for ordinary people to understand, but you could say that the core ideas of his doctrine are to separate oneself from worldliness, to destroy greed, and to divorce the soul from the body to cleanse it. Those who follow his teaching with discipline and devotion will be reborn as a new form of human. Only this new species will be able to live in equality, in a world without war or salvation. Brother was born into a poor family. I've been told he didn't know his father, and that he lost his mother at a young age. The only family he had was his younger brother, a boy named "Left". They say Brother had a special power, and that he was able to touch the thoughts of other people and see into them. It left him constantly exposed to the filthy greed of mankind. When Brother was sixteen, Left was found dead. His body was covered in bruises, but the police only made a cursory investigation, and quickly ruled his death a suicide. Later Brother would find out that the killer had paid the police a massive bribe to keep the truth hidden. He burned with rage, but also found himself immersed in cold despair. Eventually he received a divine revelation. Mankind was thoroughly corrupted by greed. They had to be purified, and a new world created... God had given Brother his mission. That was when he began to teach others the truth, and at the age of twenty-six he started Free the Soul. Our DNA comes from Left, Brother's younger brother. That means we all share a face. And we are all given the same name: "Left". Some people think that's weird, but individuality seems much weirder to me. If everyone looks the same, there's no such thing as race, or even individuality. With cloning, you don't even need different genders. How could you get more equal than that? Still, there's a little random deviation, and other factors can influence a clone's development. I was the best of my generation, so I was chosen to lead the Myrmidons. I was probably sent here because Brother noticed the calibur of my skills. My mission was to infiltrate this facility. When I was given my orders, I thought this was going to be my chance. In all my life, I've only ever once been punished for breaking our laws. It had to do with... women. I had come in contact with someone unclean, and I was considered corrupted. Even if I was punished harshly and purified my soul, my dishonor remained. I wanted to prove my loyalty to Brother, so I was determined to be successful on this mission, no matter what. My entire purpose is to be part of the foundation of Brother's new world. Now that I've fulfilled that purpose, for the first time in my life I understand what true happiness is. [Music fades out] Listen in: [English/Japanese] My sacred mission is at last complete. With these two hands, mankind is saved. I am your will made flesh. In your name, I give thanks. His voice had taken on an almost reverant tone, and as he finished speaking he made some sort of odd sign over his chest. Phi shoved his hands away. 999 OST: [Chill and Rigor] You did this to us! Now we're going to... to... She grabbed the rock he'd held over her only minutes ago, and lifted it over her head. Uh... Phi... What are you... Shut up! ... You still haven't answered my question. I'm going to ask you one more time. What is the password for the number zero bomb? B-Bomb?! Goddamnit! Didn't I tell you to shut up?! ... Now. Tell me. What's. The. Password. Wait! Okay, okay! Fine! It's not gonna do you any good, though. I completed my mission. What are you going to do with the password at this point? Not your problem! Just give it to me! Otherwise... ... ... ... Fine. No skin off my back. The password for the number zero bomb is... [Music fades out] Phi tossed the rock off to the side. You heard that, right, Sigma? ...Huh? The password. I'm going to try my best to remember it, but I won't know if I managed to until after I make the jump. There's a chance I won't remember anything... So you need to memorize it. Just in case. Got it? VLR OST: [Demise] Go where? Not sure, but I think he does. Get up. Phi grabbed Dio's arm and hauled him to his feet. He jerked his arm away petulantly and began to walk. Yeah. Well, not really a city, I guess. More like a shelter. Some people who survived the disaster live there. Disaster? What disaster?! Just shut up and follow me. You can see for yourself. I looked up. It must have been a clear night, because there were more stars than I'd ever seen before. I thought I could even see the band of the Milky Way. And in the middle of that field of stars shone the full moon... A giant red orb looming in the center of the sky. Had it always been so big...? Credits! VLR OST: [Virtue's Last Reward (Piano)] They are accompanied by this lovely track, which due to its, er, bipartite arrangement wouldn't work very well as BGM but is nevertheless a great arrange of Morphogenetic Sorrow. Due to the very bizzare ways in which voice actors' unions work, or for some stupid reason, the English cast are not credited anywhere in the game. This is a drat shame, because, as I keep saying, they're really good, and VLR is one of the very few Very Japanese Games that I would rather play using the English dub than the original. (I know this is kind of a lost cause, but the bounty on G-OLM's identity is still live, by the way.) Know who else isn't credited in the EU version? Anyone at Aksys Games, and especially not Ben Bateman and Karen McOscar, whose excellent editing job is a huge part of this game's appeal (even if they missed a few "chocie" typos). Not only did Rising Star erase the English voice track, they also basically cribbed Aksys' script without crediting them. Capital loving work, gentlemen. What exactly did they do? ... ... ...wait. Credits? That's right folks! We finally stumbled our way into an ending! It only took us 115 updates, a year and 4 months of real-life and 23:17:06 of in-game playtime, but we've finally seen 11.1% of the endings! ...Okay, so it's not quite as bad as that sounds - if VLR's story has a flaw, it's the same flaw that basically every Uchikoshi story has; it is hella backloaded. It's not quite as bad as, say, Ever17, and he's gotten better at remembering to include some payoff before the Big Final Ending, but VLR's structure - namely, Plot Locks - do kinda necessarily result in having a lot of build-up stuffed in the front. ...You did write down that password, right? It's cool if you didn't; you can jump right back to before Dio blurts it out. What a considerate game. Anyway, where should we go from here? I don't have a screenshot of the top of the flowchart this time but I'm sure you can imagine the details. cd ~/magenta/ally/red After successfully allying with Luna, go through the Red door with Alice and Clover cd ~/magenta/ally/blue After successfully allying with Luna, go through the Blue door with Alice and K cd ~/magenta/betray/red/ally Ally with Clover after escaping the Pantry cd ~/yellow/ally/green After being betrayed by Tenmyouji, go through the Green door with Clover and Quark cd ~/yellow/ally/blue After being betrayed by Tenmyouji, go through the Blue door with Clover and Tenmyouji cd ~/yellow/betray Betray Tenmyouji after escaping the Infirmary cd ~/cyan/betray/blue After successfully betraying Alice, reject Alice's suggestion and insist on taking the Blue door with Luna and Alice cd ~/cyan/betray/green After successfully betraying Alice, reject Alice's suggestion and insist on taking the Green door with Luna and Clover Fedule fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Nov 9, 2014 |
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getting dio's ending first is somewhat of a mind screw. isn't it also the only ending that you can get without bypassing a lock, or am i making poo poo up?
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Alright, we got our first ending. Dio set up the bombs and is just as much of a jerkface as we all thought. What a twist! Cake Attack posted:getting dio's ending first is somewhat of a mind screw. isn't it also the only ending that you can get without bypassing a lock, or am i making poo poo up? No. There's one other one.
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Cake Attack posted:getting dio's ending first is somewhat of a mind screw. isn't it also the only ending that you can get without bypassing a lock, or am i making poo poo up? I believe there's one other that can be gotten first, but I can't recall whose.
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This is a terrible program and nobody should ever run it. Probably a virus.
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Fedule posted:
You have a repeated screenshot.
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This was my first ending. Boy was I confused. Coming from 999, though, I did have the foresight to write down the password. I also notice that I greatly underestimated the size of the helmets on those suits Oh well.
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It took us a year to reach one of the endings. And we have nine characters. I think Fedule is going to be quite busy for the next decade. 
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W.T. Fits posted:You have a repeated screenshot. Fixed, thanks.
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A long string of numbers? I think it's time we headed back to astound Alice with our amazing knowledge, don't you think? If that doesn't work, we've explored Tenmyouji's path the least, so let's bite the bullet and Betray him to get it out of the way as well.
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