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Ah so THIS is the infamous room? I only heard "don't save during puzzles" and as such never did and all was gravy. 
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Mindblast posted:Ah so THIS is the infamous room? I only heard "don't save during puzzles" and as such never did and all was gravy. From what I understand there are actually two separate problems that usually combine in this room. The first problem is that sometimes savefiles in a puzzle room are corrupt and unloadable. The second problem is that this particular room has a good chance of crashing the game. Players who saved in other rooms wouldn't notice that their save was glitched because they made it through the room with no problems and overwrote their corrupt saves with working saves outside the exit. However in the PEC room the game would crash leaving a corrupt save from the start of the room. This led to a mistaken impression that only this room corrupted saves. If you dig around you can find reports from people who got their save corrupted by saving in other puzzle rooms and turning the system off (or getting a rarer crash bug) which is why "don't save during puzzles" is the correct advice.
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I listened with rapt attention, at a complete loss for words. Here is what she said. 999 OST: [Digital Root] Alice and I are agents of the SOIS, which is under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense. SOIS stands for "Special Office of Internal Security," and we're an elite intelligence division that investigates potentially disruptive or dangerous elements, such as domestic or foreign terrorists, radical political splinter groups, and religious organizations with extreme agendas that could pose a threat to the state or citizenry. Our existence hasn't been made public, so there are only a few people who even know we exist. You're probably wondering how I even got involved in something like that, huh? Well, it started when I met Alice. I told you that I've played the Nonary Game twice before, right? Well, this was after the second time... So, about a year ago. We'd just escaped, and we were all stuffed into this SUV barreling across the desert. I was driving... And that's when I saw her. Alice. She was standing next to the road with her thumb out. She was already working for the SOIS, and she'd been on her way to the building we'd been trapped in as part of her investigation. But on the way there her car had broken down... We offered to give her a ride, of course. After she got in we started talking and it turned out that Alice had gotten a tip that the terrorists she was after were in the building we'd been trapped in. We couldn't see how us playing the Nonary Game had anything to do with the terrorists... But Alice had a suggestion. "Maybe the two people who trapped you in there are the terrorists..." That didn't seem very likely to us, but we were chasing after them anyway, so we decided to bring Alice with us. Unfortunately, we didn't find them. As far as we know, they're still out there now, on the run. Anyway, we were taken back to SOIS headquarters and put into custody. I guess they thought there had to be some kind of connection between us being kidnapped and the terrorist group they were investigating. But they must not have found anything, because after a few days of questioning they let us go. We all went home and returned to our lives... ... ... But things didn't go back to the way they'd been. My mom got real worried about me and my brother, since we'd gotten kidnapped twice now, so she hired bodyguards for us. Oh, I haven't told you about my brother, have I? He's super awesome, for one. And he was in both of the last two Nonary Games, too. So anyway, we'd been grabbed twice... But the people behind the two Nonary Games were totally different. That didn't matter to my mom though, so after that all these huge men in black suits followed me and my brother everywhere. It was awful. We were always being watched. People would look at us funny because we were being followed around by a bunch of creepy-looking guys. I couldn't stand it. Just when I'd thought I'd finally be free, all that was waiting for me was another kind of prison. The only time I was really happy was when I was hanging out with my brother. So we were talking it over one day, and we decided to leave. Like, run away. So we did it! After that we lived on our own. I worked in a cafe, and he composed music. He plays the harp, and he started writing this kind of new-agey music. It got kinda popular, so we didn't have to worry too much about surviving. Sometimes he'd play at little venues like coffee houses and stuff, and his fans would show up and listen to him play and cry. Or some of them would meet on their own and recite stuff from the book he'd written and play his songs. I know that sounds kind of, like, weird and cult-y, but they just do that stuff on their own, okay? My brother doesn't have anything to do with it. Anyway, we did that for a while, and then one day Alice showed up. "I need your help," she told us. "We need people who can do what you can do." ... ... So we went to the location she gave us, and it turned out to be the headquarters of the SOIS, where they'd taken us after the second Nonary Game. They put us in a room with about a dozen or so other people who were all about the same age as us. A bunch of them looked familiar, too. It only took a moment to realize how we knew each other... They were the kids from the first Nonary Game. We were all excited to see each other again, and we were hugging and shaking hands and stuff... And then Alice walked in. The whole room went quiet. She walked up to the podium and looked around the room, making eye contact with each one of us. "Right now a terrorist organization is preparing for a major attack. They plan to trigger a viral pandemic. If they succeed, they will strike a massive blow against all of humanity—not just any one country. It's possible that we, as a species, will die out completely. We are doing our best to prevent this, but we need your help. You are what we call 'espers.' You have the ability to access the morphogenetic field. We need that." VLR OST: [Clarification] I'm guessing you don't know what any of that is, but basically we can do this thing that's kind of like telepathy. I mean, it isn't really telepathy, but that's probably the closest thing, okay? Espers can resonate their consciousness with another person through this thing called the morphogenetic field. The purpose of the first Nonary Game was to research that ability. So they kidnapped kids who had the potential to do it, and threw them into the game... Alice had gathered up all the kids from that experiment. Well, I mean, it had been nine years since it happened, so we weren't really kids anymore... Anyway, everybody she'd brought in was an esper. That included me and my brother, of course. I bet you think I'm just making all this up, huh? I don't blame you. It is pretty crazy. I mean, I was even starting to forget I could do that stuff... So when I heard Alice's story I was like "Screw that!" I was trying to move on with my life and now some shady government creeps wanted me to use some weird ability I had for them? No way. I wasn't even sure I could do it anymore. Some of the others felt differently, though, and they told Alice they'd do it. It was a job, after all, and most people wouldn't turn down a salary like that. Oh, right, I forgot to tell you, she told us how much they'd pay us if we helped. It was a lot. More wealth than you can imagine. But I was still totally against doing it. My brother told me he'd go along with whatever I decided, so I decided we were leaving. A couple days passed, and then Alice showed up at our apartment. She didn't waste time. The people behind the first Nonary Game might have been part of the terrorist organization Alice and the SOIS were after. Wasn't that, she asked, something that I might want to know more about? That got me curious. My brother too. But the clincher was what Seven said to us. He was one of the guys that got abducted with us for the second Nonary Game. She called him on her phone right then and there, and handed it to us. Seven was a Japanese policeman, which was probably how Alice got in touch with him. Anyway, that did it. My brother and I agreed to join the SOIS. ... ... For the next couple months, all we did was train. Half of the time it was general knowledge and technical skills an SOIS agent needed, and the other half was learning to strengthen our esper abilities. They'd actually known about espers for quite a while, and had a lot of techniques that helped us get better and stronger. After several months of hard work, we were finally ready for our first field missions. Mine was an infiltration. My brother stayed at the base, so I could relay information back through him. I was supposed to sneak into a research facility, posing as one of their workers, and then use the morphogenetic field to transmit what I found back to my brother. But... VLR OST: [Confession] Everything went wrong. It was a trap. The whole research facility was fake, and I got captured. Alice had to come and rescue me. I'd been sending information about the inside of the facility to my brother, and Alice used that information to come and find me. As soon as she got there, she picked me up and carried me out. I was relieved and happy to be alive and free, but I also felt ashamed and miserable... While she was carrying me back out, I started to cry. She was just so cool, and I wasn't... I wanted to be just like her. So from that day onward, I did everything I could to be more like Alice. ... ... Our infiltration ended in failure, but we did manage to get something useful. In fact, we were able to figure out where their headquarters was. The directors decided that December 25th, 2028 would be the day we would strike. This time, I promised myself, we wouldn't screw it up. I was finally going to get some answers about something that had been with me for most of my life. But then, on December 22nd, three days before the raid... Alice and I were attacked by people in gas masks while we were going over our plans. ... ... 999 OST: [Imaginary] Listen in: [English/Japanese] Yeah. All of that talking seemed to have tired Clover out. She sighed, and her long hair swayed as she moved. Hey, uh, I've got a few questions... What are they? Well... First off... Your, uh, powers, I guess. I'm guessing you can't use them right now? Yeah... I'm not really sure why. I've been sending my brother messages ever since I woke up, but... No response? Yeah. If there was another esper here, they could make me stronger, but that's just wishful thinking. Wait... What? Maybe... ... ... No, never mind. That's probably not it. ... ... ... ... I think I understand what Alice was talking about now. They were trying to spread that virus, right? Yeah. Okay. So who are they? Well... I can't tell you that. What?! Why not!? You told me all that other stuff, but this is too much?! Well...Alice would be mad at me... I already told you I wouldn't tell her! But... ... ... ... ... Fine. Let me rephrase. When are they going to do it? Well, if we knew that we wouldn't have gone to all that trouble... So you don't know? No... All we know is "soon." But that could mean just about anything. Yeah. It could be next week, or next month, or even next year... Wait. You mean they might have already released the virus? Wouldn't that make the most sense? Or that newspaper article? And... The three people who were put in cold sleep... Are you saying you, me, and Alice were frozen, and the pandemic happened while we were on ice? ... ... Wait... No, that doesn't make sense. Nobody else has heard of Radical-6 either. Maybe they're lying... Really? All six of them? Well, if K really does have memory loss, then it's only five. Quark is out too. So you're saying Tenmyouji, Dio, Phi, and Luna are all lying? Hmm... I guess they are a little suspicious... Right? For lying? How would I know? Then what's the motive for a terrorist organization to start a pandemic? I heard it was something about...purifying the unclean... Purifying the...unclean....? [Music fades out] Unclean... Unclean... Unclean... Unclean... Wh-What...? What are you doing? Shut up! Just...hold on a minute! I'm this close to remembering! ... ... Unclean... Clean... Ean... Ean... Een! She leapt up, suddenly excited! Neo-what? Ugh! Did you forget it already?! I'm talking about this stuff! As she spoke, she pulled something out of her pocket. VLR OST: [Demise] Oh, right, I remember that. It was in the safe in the treatment center, right? Yeah. I didn't have any idea what it was, though, so I gave it to you. Exactly! Are you saying you've heard about this neostigmine stuff before? Yeah! That's what I'm saying! I just remembered! You remembered? My brother told me about that. Neostigmine is a type of cholinesterase inhibitor! ... ... Um... Sorry, but I still don't get it. How easy do I have to make it?! ... ... Ugh! Okay, fine! I'll start at the top, all right? The stuff I've got in here is neostigmine, which counteracts the muscle relaxant tubocurarine! Following me? Tubocurarine is the poison in our bracelets, right? Right. It's the second thing we get injected with if we're penalized. I guess you could say it'll really take your breath away! So you're saying this neostigmine keeps it from working? So we can just inject ourselves with this if we get penalized! Yeah! We don't have to die! We're gonna be okay! We can only pull the trigger once, though... That means we can only use it on one person. Yeah. ... ... This means one of us can break the rules, once. Like...let's see... If somebody gets 9 points, they can open it, right? With this stuff, somebody who doesn't have 9 points could still leave with them. Hm... Anyway, I'm gonna go tell Alice! [Music fades out] What? Hey! Clover, wait! Clover! It was too late. Clover was already on the lift and gone. drat. I was, I think understandably, upset. With no stairs, my only choice was to wait for the lift to come back down. As soon as it was back, I jumped on and headed upstairs.
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Pretty much the same info from Alice's Ending, only with details about Clover's past and some updates on the other 999 characters. At least we got some valuable information about the neostigmine! Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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Apr 9, 2015 23:05
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Well, at least this explains why a government agency would put up with Clover's really obvious incompetence. Having an almost unstoppable way of receiving information is well worth fielding a profoundly incompetent agent. I think now we know how to unlock that plot lock where Sigma gets penalised. Also, a common side effect of anticholinesterase inhibitors is the SLUDGE effect. Salivation, Lacrimation (crying), Urination, Defecation, Gastrointestinal upset and Emesis (vomiting). We're in for a fun ride. 
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This information about Neostigmine should remove the plot-lock on the path where Dio betrays and makes Sigma hit zero right?
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Obviously the next thing we do is go back and punch Dio in his smug face. Also at least Seven's okay. Probably.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:This information about Neostigmine should remove the plot-lock on the path where Dio betrays and makes Sigma hit zero right? We don't know if the treatment center is open in that timeline, or who ended up with the neostigmine if it is. Sigma has only a few minutes to live, so I doubt he could find it in time. Edit: It almost certainly ISN'T open, because they brought Quark back to the infirmary afterward. whitehelm fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Apr 9, 2015 |
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The only reason they have it now is because Clover and Sigma found it while in the treatment center, but in that path Sigma, Clover, and Dio went to the laboratory.
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Apr 9, 2015 23:39
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Bear in mind that only 3 of the second set of rooms get opened at all each time around. There are many more than that in existence so each path only has access to some of the possible items.
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Didn't Dio leave then? And don't all the doors open when someone leaves? Sigma knows exactly where it is, he could tell someone and they'd have several minutes to run there and back. Worth a try, at least? E: Oh, 4 of the 9 minutes had already passed, not much chance of getting it then. Doors definitely open after someone escapes, though. From the same path, but after betraying Dio instead, when K leaves: Announcer posted:This ends the Nonary Game. Telum fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Apr 10, 2015 |
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Ugh, meant to just copy this from the edit window; ignore
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Apr 10, 2015 00:44
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Could someone else have gone through that door? It's worth a shot to try I think because this info just seems too perfect a solution to that lock.
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legoman727 posted:Also at least Seven's okay. Probably. So is Snake.
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Waffleman_ posted:So is Snake. If "being idolized by untold multitudes of hipster trash" can be considered okay. Still though, it sounds like he's handling himself decently. He probably taught himself the harp just to thumb his nose at fate with his remaining good hand.
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I like that if you knew nothing of the first game, Akane comes off sounding like a terrorist that Junpei is trying to bring to justice.
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Well, this is some interesting backstory. I like that it also gives you an interesting immediately-relevant concept too.
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It also explains Clovers choice of outfit I guess
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Can we go back to the point in time where Clover had not yet started taking fashion advice from the lady who wears a giant gold necklace (?) in lieu of a shirt, and prevent this horrible timeline altogether?
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None of this explains while Alice was mostly nude in the desert! What was even up with that.
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Why is Alice mostly nude NOW? Nothing about her wardrobe makes sense. At least Lotus was said to have been kidnapped at a party.
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She said she was going to infiltrate the Nonary Game, so for all we know she was going to take Lotus's place. As for now, she was kidnapped while on her house strategizing with Clover. Maybe she was multitasking and also trying out some cosplay outfits or something. 
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She taken the approach of standing out so much that no one could possibly suspect her as a spy. I mean, what kind of spy would want to stand out so much? The perfect disguise.
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Well I got bored so I fast-tracked the next update too.
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VLR OST: [Sublimity] ... ... Phi! Can you hear me? ... ... She didn't say anything, just stared at me with her mouth half-open. Her eyes seemed slightly glazed, and her body was unnaturally stiff. Uh...Phi...? I grabbed a shoulder and shook her gently. Slowly, she raised her arm, fingers drooping limply from it. She gestured toward the exit that lead away from the warehouse. That way? She went out that door? Phi's only answer was a slow, shallow nod. Right, got it. Thanks. I headed for the exit, then paused. ... ... Still no response. There was something odd about her, but catching Clover seemed like more of a priority. I turned back around and jogged out the door, toward the treatment center. [Music fades out] 999 OST: [Eternitybox] I'd assumed Alice would be in the treatment center, so Clover would have gone there to find her, but... The room was empty. Luna and Tenmyouji were gone too. They'd left Quark, and the readout on his pod said his vital signs were still normal. As far as I could tell, he was still asleep. Fine. Guess it's time to go look somewhere else. I made my way out of the treatment center. I can't find anybody! Every single room is empty... Wait... There's still one place I haven't checked... The infirmary! [Music fades out] I might as well have run into a brick wall. My chest tightened so much I could barely breathe. No... What...what happened...? I felt my whole body convulse—whether from terror or nausea, I couldn't tell. My legs went limp, and I crumpled to the floor. Something sticky pressed against the palm of my hand, and I looked down to see blood. A vast, warm pool of fresh blood, stretching out across the room, lapping at my legs and hands. Why... This can't be real... How could... 999 OST: [Trepidation] In the middle of the lake of blood, like an island of flesh, were bodies. They were a bloody tangle of lifeless limbs and dead eyes, with too much blood and chaos for me to tell who was who. Had they sliced themselves open? Or stabbed one another? I couldn't tell. All the blood...too much blood... Whatever they'd done, it was clear what tool they'd used to do it. A scalpel lay in the blood next to them, its handle and blade streaked with gore. This was how they had died... This tiny blade... ... ... It's all over... This is how it ends. That's right... I have to end it. This nightmare will finally be over... Time to...wake up... I lifted it slowly, carefully, to my neck, as if someone were guiding my hand with theirs... ... ... ...And drew it across my throat. VLR OST: [Virtue's Last Reward (Piano)] Sometimes you kinda get the impression that certain elements in the plot of VLR are the way they are just so certain story branches can be kept manageable in length. And then everyone got Radical-6 and died. THE END. Been a while since the last time everyone died, hasn't it? We may only have a third of the endings, but we're past two thirds done with the game by my estimation. Yeeeep. Incidentally, it took a while but we've finally seen some incorrect Plot Lock Speculation. A couple of people wondered, after finding out about the Neostigmine shot, whether we could use it for Lock #3 (Five Minutes of Life). The theory is sound, but no-one explored the Treatment Center in that branch, so there's no Neostigmine to take. Another line filled in. Where to next? cd ~/magenta/ally/red After successfully allying with Luna, go through the Red door with Alice and Clover cd ~/magenta/ally/blue After successfully allying with Luna, go through the Blue door with Alice and K cd ~/yellow/ally/green After being betrayed by Tenmyouji, go through the Green door with Clover and Quark cd ~/yellow/ally/blue After being betrayed by Tenmyouji, go through the Blue door with Clover and Tenmyouji cd ~/yellow/betray/green/betray Betray Quark after escaping the Treatment Center cd ~/cyan/betray/blue After successfully betraying Alice, reject Alice's suggestion and insist on taking the Blue door with Luna and Alice cd ~/cyan/betray/green After successfully betraying Alice, reject Alice's suggestion and insist on taking the Green door with Luna and Clover[/i]
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Why do Clover's endings always result in everyone getting killed? Because she's number 4, and four is death.
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So this is basically expository babble and then everyone dies for no reason so we can move on?
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I knew it. Freaking called it. Wasn't a drill to the face, but this is what happens when you ally. Also, interesting to note: Among the pile of dead bodies, K and Quark are missing. While I'm sure Quark is missing to avoid showing the blood-covered corpse of a child, it's interesting to note that we've seen K dead in a previous branch, but not in this one. Perhaps his suit makes him immune to Radical-6, on account of having some sort of air filtration mask?
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xeose4 posted:I knew it. Freaking called it. Quark is missing because he's still sleeping in the pod in the treatment center. K's absence on the other hand, is indeed rather curious.
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I haven't updated this chart in forever cause it's getting kinda ugly but here you go i guess.
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xeose4 posted:I knew it. Freaking called it. You get a good ending? Because based on the fact that Clover's face was added to our save file, that's technically what this is.
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Color Printer posted:I haven't updated this chart in forever cause it's getting kinda ugly but here you go i guess. I continue to be grateful for this.
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W.T. Fits posted:You get a good ending? Because based on the fact that Clover's face was added to our save file, that's technically what this is. I think the difference between endings and dead ends is simply whether or not you get any useful information out of it. In this case, obviously the revelation about Neostigmine is the key to some lock.
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