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SwimNurd: Oct 28, 2007; mememememe

If my sim boots, I will make an effort to show up.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:44

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:38

3 Action Economist: May 22, 2002; Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Hooray! The triumphant return of our glorious SwimNurd!

I may be a couple minutes late, myself, but I'll definitely be there.

E: Or I'll go home sick and not make it all. Guess we'll see how I feel in 2 hours.

3 Action Economist fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Aug 28, 2014

# ? Aug 28, 2014 18:47

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

For those who are on FSX, BookaT and I made an updated AFCAD file to reflect some major changes that took place after airport construction a few years ago. Get it here:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23553830/KACT_AFCAD.zip

Not required, but if you have it make sure and note it in the remarks of your flight plan, or state it verbally when you check in. Otherwise I'll assume you're using the older scenery.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 20:10

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

Tonight!

Colonial Air Force posted:

The Semi-Random Newb Night and General VATSIM Fuckery Event

When: Thursday, August 28th, 2014 at 8PM EDT (or 8/29 @ 0000z).
Where: KACT in Waco, TX

It's that time again! The Ferret King will staff ATC at Waco for us to do patterns, teach newbies about radio stuff, and other general VATSIM fuckery. Bring your weirdest plane and give FK a hard time by making turns that are too tight or too wide or both.

If you are a newb, please come visit us in the #flightsim channel if you need help getting things set up. And don't forget to be on the Mumble!

If you need help, ask sooner than later. Getting VATSIM set up can be an involved process at times.

# ? Aug 28, 2014 20:57

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

Stream is up

http://www.twitch.tv/theferretking

# ? Aug 29, 2014 01:10

Kilonum: Sep 30, 2002; You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

so is mine

http://twitch.tv/kilonum2

# ? Aug 29, 2014 02:06

u fink u hard Percy: Sep 14, 2007

Good times!

# ? Aug 29, 2014 03:30

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

Had a lot of fun. Only 2 newcomers this time but that's ok.

A few basic remarks, typical of newer sim flyers:

1) The patterns were too big
2) Fly Shorter Patterns

Really in any piston aircraft, if you're not following someone then you should be turning base leg within 1-2 miles of the runway end. Your downwind leg should be flown no further away than 1 wing tip length (if you look out to the side toward the runway, your wing should touch the runway or otherwise overlap it). We had a couple folks flying downwind legs 6 miles away or more from the airport and that just won't do for sequencing, you're too far way. If you're too fast, go slower. If you're too high, stay lower (pattern altitude is 1000ft above field elevation generally, tonight we had folks up to 2,500ft above field elevation).

See Paul's summary here:
http://youtu.be/f6q2VKsvQEQ

Mostly everything went fine. The biggest transgressions, as usual, were from veteran simmers. Kilo bombed the traffic pattern by not calling until very close to the runway while going 300kts, and then didn't turn toward his assigned runway, conflicting with traffic that was in the pattern. Kilo is awful and this is expected.

The twitch stream will be on youtube soon, once I figure out what "verified" means and how to upload it. Hope we get more to show next time, as always this was a lot of fun.

Until then, here's the twitch video, which I think will expire in a couple weeks: http://tinyurl.com/phne4nx

Stuff begins to build a little at this point: http://tinyurl.com/lsk5f98

Kilo fucks everything up by not calling (V tag to the northwest): http://tinyurl.com/khphanq

Pattern builds again, bomber patterns are cut off for efficiency, simble departs right up the tailpipe of Daimo, who does nothing quickly in the pattern ever, EvilJoven bases right up the rear end of a Cherokee while flying a turbo DC3 (it doesn't work), sellouts crashes his 727 while trying to fly toward the runway and get his transponder working, and Kilo picks up a clearance for Memphis in his big-assed MD-11: http://tinyurl.com/nh2z76y

The Ferret King fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Aug 29, 2014

# ? Aug 29, 2014 04:34

A Real Happy Camper: Dec 11, 2007; These children have taught me how to believe.

I'll be in next newbie night, I'll try to get vatsim set up and working early, and maybe I'll get used to FSX again, too.

# ? Aug 29, 2014 04:47

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

Lots of down time in the stream, this is one of the lower turnouts we've had, we'll try again in the future I'm sure. I'll work on turning down my Mic volume so that you can hear the VATSIM stuff better (it's maxed, the network voice volume is just stupid-low). The highlights in my previous post contain what I think is the most action. Hope it's somewhat enjoyable.

This was my first time streaming anything ever.

# ? Aug 29, 2014 05:37

babyeatingpsychopath: Oct 28, 2000; Forum Veteran

I watched all of FK's stream while getting all my vatsim and mumble stuff fixed. About that time, everyone quit. Next time, probably.

Fun watching and listening. FK is a robot.

# ? Aug 29, 2014 08:30

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

I broke character a couple times.

"Ok somebody talk to me"

<everyone talks to me at once>

Felt like real life for a second.

# ? Aug 29, 2014 08:36

Oglogoth: May 16, 2010; Daaaaarling~

Oh god I just watched that again and noticed I didn't hear you call touch and go, and I never called my option. (I totally meant to full stop) :doh:

# ? Aug 29, 2014 10:45

3 Action Economist: May 22, 2002; Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Last night was fun, even if I could only hang out for an hour before my guts decided enough was enough.

# ? Aug 29, 2014 13:08

Lockmart Lawndart: Oct 12, 2005

The Ferret King posted:

Well, please allow me to sperg a bit.

Both are Arrivals, not approaches. More specifically they're Standard Terminal Arrival Routes or STARs, and IAH has a lot more than 2 of them, see here under "Standard Terminal Arrival (STAR) Charts". RNAV approaches would be for a specific runway, like the "RNAV Y RY 26L" approach into IAH.

So the first thing you look at on a STAR, is the direction from which it approaches your destination airport. Begin with STARs that start from roughly the location you'll be arriving from. Then check the STAR and make sure it's not notated with restrictions that exclude your airplane, such as "for turbojet aircraft only" when you're flying a piston single engine aircraft.

In the case of the WHACK2 and the TWSTD2, the notes on the charts say that they are corresponding STARs based on which flow IAH is landing/departing in. If you file one and upon reaching the Houston area, it's different, ATC will simply amend your clearance, no big deal. It certainly doesn't look bad on you. There's no way for you to know for sure IAH will be in a East or West flow when you depart, it could change by the time you get there. So be flexible if ATC amends your clearance.

Often it is not obvious at all which Departure/Arrival procedures you should pick for your specific routing, so websites like Flightaware, Fltplan, or VATAWARE can help. There are also add on flight planning programs, at least for MS Flight Sims, that will try to do a lot of this for you. But the procedures change so often I prefer to use real world sources to get me started. In the real world, pilots often just file direct between their departure and arrival airports, and let ATC issue the routing to them. VATSIM controllers get pissy about it, but it's part of the job. Though in the real world, a computer automatically amends a good chunk of the flight plan for the person issuing the clearance, so it doesn't require as much manual editing as it does for a VATSIM controller (who, during an event, might also be having to amend another 50 clearances because virtual pilots won't look up a route ahead of time). Most airline dispatches have the current routings, though, so what they file is usually exactly what they get or very close.

Thanks!, Spergin is what I'm here for.

# ? Aug 29, 2014 15:29

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Hahaha man I got super close to that Cherokee. Whoops. IDGAF though, double tonnage rule. :v:

One question I have about my plane. If I leave it at full throttle it seems to take a ton of time to drop core RPMs. I'm not talking the normal turboprop input lag, I'm talking a full 30 seconds. Once the core speed starts dropping the response is normal for a tprop until I go WOT again.

# ? Aug 29, 2014 18:41

u fink u hard Percy: Sep 14, 2007

I knew I'd have to Google a lot (transponder mode, charts etc), so the ~~Blimp~~ BN2 suited me well for that.

Thanks for the vid, its helps pick up on a few things. Now I can see my patterns were a bit bizarre, but that's years of offline habits as the AI doesn't correct you.

Also it was 3am here so I didn't really have the energy to talk much, but I enjoyed myself.

# ? Aug 29, 2014 21:07

darknrgy: Jul 26, 2003; ...wait come back

Count me in for next time. Missed this one again :\. I'm also in the kilo landing gear video as Cessna 28T, doing dumb things like calling myself by my full call sign. That was a lot of fun and I want to do it again.

# ? Aug 30, 2014 02:18

MrYenko: Jun 18, 2012; #2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

I was going to break my anti-social routine and come annoy FK with itty-bitty-patterns, but my girlfriend banged in to work, which shot my gaming plans for the evening in the forehead.

:commissar:

IRL, I worked a DC-9-15 today. I didn't think there were any of those left. :v:

# ? Aug 30, 2014 04:55

Hollenhammer: Dec 6, 2005

Can someone tell me about Strike Fighters? It's linked in this thread but the dev website is confusing and sort of hard to navigate.
Youtube videos don't seem representative either, it's really hard to tell

# ? Aug 30, 2014 07:58

SelenicMartian: Sep 14, 2013; Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Hollenhammer posted:

Youtube videos don't seem representative either, it's really hard to tell

Well, there are a few here... http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3573259

# ? Aug 30, 2014 08:24

Tumblr of scotch: Mar 13, 2006; Please, don't be my neighbor.

Hollenhammer posted:

Can someone tell me about Strike Fighters? It's linked in this thread but the dev website is confusing and sort of hard to navigate.
Youtube videos don't seem representative either, it's really hard to tell

It's nothing amazing, but it's still fairly solid. You can customize the amount of realism separately for flight model, ammo use, fuel use, crash damage, and so on, and with them all at max realism it's almost like a less-spergy DCS, while with them all set to easy it's pretty arcadey. The default planes tend to be less manoeuvrable ones like the F-4 and F-105, but later expansions have things like F-16s that are more useful in a turnfight. There's also a ton of mods for it that add new planes of varying quality.

It's not without its quirks, though. The AI, for example, always uses the medium-realism flight model, so if you use the more realistic one, it'll always be able to turn more tightly than you in the same airframe. There's a good LP of it by SelenicMartian here and he does a good job of pointing out its foibles when they crop up.

# ? Aug 30, 2014 09:03

pixelbaron: Mar 18, 2009; ~ Notice me, Shempai! ~

All I know is Wings Over Vietnam is pretty fun and that there are an endless amount of mods for the various games.

# ? Aug 30, 2014 09:26

Hollenhammer: Dec 6, 2005

woah awesome, thanks for the replies

# ? Aug 30, 2014 11:13

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

Strike Fighters 2 with the NATO Fighters 5 mod has around a billion planes you can fly. Its the current closest thing to those old Jane's Fighter Anthology games.

Its a bit pricey though all together. If you get any, grab SF2: Europe and Israel, and the expansions for both if you like early jet guns only dogfights. Those are prob the best two.

Its got its flaws, but personally I love those games.

# ? Aug 30, 2014 14:41

Tumblr of scotch: Mar 13, 2006; Please, don't be my neighbor.

Also one of the mods adds a Tsar Bomba under one of its official names.

Flagrant Abuse posted:

I've since gotten rid of the screenshots from it, but I once did a mission in a Tu-95 carrying a Tsar Bomba. I missed the airfield by like a kilometer and a half but still destroyed everything there and remotely nearby.

I was flying as high up as I could under that heavy of a load and still got caught in the blast radius.

# ? Aug 30, 2014 21:15

Lockmart Lawndart: Oct 12, 2005

Ok, so I have another IFR sperg question for VATSIM/ATC in general. Suppose I want to fly from KSEA to KBLI (A short hop). The only published approach for KBLI is an RNAV approach. Now my poor little saab can wing it and get close using VOR's and a stopwatch to judge where I am, however I'd rather just file direct or via the Paine VOR.

so can I do that without pissing off VATSIM ATC and what would that look like in a flight plan?

Say,

From: KSEA to KBLI

seattle4.pae

?

# ? Aug 30, 2014 21:41

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

Lockmart Lawndart posted:

Ok, so I have another IFR sperg question for VATSIM/ATC in general. Suppose I want to fly from KSEA to KBLI (A short hop). The only published approach for KBLI is an RNAV approach. Now my poor little saab can wing it and get close using VOR's and a stopwatch to judge where I am, however I'd rather just file direct or via the Paine VOR.

so can I do that without pissing off VATSIM ATC and what would that look like in a flight plan?

Say,

From: KSEA to KBLI

seattle4.pae

?

It has an ILS approach, which is a conventional approach not requiring rnav. If ATC is online your clearance will be via radar vectors or via a SID from Seattle to the north. BLI is worked by Victoria approach, not Seattle so they'd vector you in for a visual or ILS approach. If Victoria is offline Seattle will release you to your own navigation some time before you get too close, so you can do whatever you want. You don't need a stopwatch unless your saab also doesn't have DME, but I suppose you could time stuff anyway.

Looks like you might get:

SEA V23 HUH

The Ferret King fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Aug 30, 2014

# ? Aug 30, 2014 22:41

GOOD TIMES ON METH: Mar 17, 2006; Fun Shoe

XP 10.30 is officially out: http://www.x-plane.com/?article=x-plane-10-30-release-notes

# ? Sep 1, 2014 22:17

Lockmart Lawndart: Oct 12, 2005

The Ferret King posted:

It has an ILS approach, which is a conventional approach not requiring rnav. If ATC is online your clearance will be via radar vectors or via a SID from Seattle to the north. BLI is worked by Victoria approach, not Seattle so they'd vector you in for a visual or ILS approach. If Victoria is offline Seattle will release you to your own navigation some time before you get too close, so you can do whatever you want. You don't need a stopwatch unless your saab also doesn't have DME, but I suppose you could time stuff anyway.

Looks like you might get:

SEA V23 HUH

Gave it a go on VATSIM and worked great, right about the part where the controller forgot I existed :downs:

To be fair, he was center I dropped off his scope for a sec, and he assumed I'd logged off. Gonna keep that route handy though, good short one the SAAB and a good way to spend an hour.

Goetta posted:

XP 10.30 is officially out: http://www.x-plane.com/?article=x-plane-10-30-release-notes

Had to opt in to the beta to get it to update. So far so good, hasn't broken my SAAB or Xsquakbox. New clouds and distant scenery look pretty good. Clouds did cause chugging in a few places where they otherwise wouldn't have. Not much else immediately noticeable.

Lockmart Lawndart fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Sep 3, 2014

# ? Sep 3, 2014 03:45

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Man I forgot just how much fun it is to get a few guys together and blow up ground targets in the A-10C. No dogfighting BS, just chilling and blowing things up with GBUs and Mavericks.

# ? Sep 3, 2014 07:15

INTJ Mastermind: Dec 30, 2004; It's a radial!

EvilJoven posted:

Man I forgot just how much fun it is to get a few guys together and blow up ground targets in the A-10C. No dogfighting BS, just chilling and blowing things up with GBUs and Mavericks.

That sounds pretty fun. Anyone else want to do DCS again?

# ? Sep 3, 2014 21:56

Wh1plash: Oct 13, 2008

INTJ Mastermind posted:

That sounds pretty fun. Anyone else want to do DCS again?

ED is having its Autumn sale again, FYI.

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# ? Sep 5, 2014 06:54

algebra testes: Mar 5, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Any ideas when the next newbie night will be? That looks like fun.

And, I seem to remember some video showing a bunch of crazy landings, complete with demonstrations on how to do them in FSX, is that link floating around somewhere?

# ? Sep 11, 2014 12:45

sellouts: Apr 23, 2003

I am pretty sure all of kilos streams are archived somewhere.

# ? Sep 12, 2014 05:22

Omi no Kami: Feb 19, 2014

I've been trying to get X-Plane 10 working after grabbing it from steam- I know a lot of aircraft pull to the left a bit in real life, but in-game it's incredibly distracting- I basically have to keep constant right-yaw and right-roll just to stay level. Is that typical of actual flying and thus intended behavior in the sim, or have I muddled my joystick configuration?

# ? Sep 13, 2014 10:33

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Omi no Kami posted:

I've been trying to get X-Plane 10 working after grabbing it from steam- I know a lot of aircraft pull to the left a bit in real life, but in-game it's incredibly distracting- I basically have to keep constant right-yaw and right-roll just to stay level. Is that typical of actual flying and thus intended behavior in the sim, or have I muddled my joystick configuration?

I assume its one of two things: Either your joystick controls need to be re-checked to make sure it isn't the cause or you just need to set your trim controls.

# ? Sep 13, 2014 10:36

Omi no Kami: Feb 19, 2014

Jobbo_Fett posted:

I assume its one of two things: Either your joystick controls need to be re-checked to make sure it isn't the cause or you just need to set your trim controls.

Oh derp, rudder trim was all the way left for some reason, thank you!

# ? Sep 13, 2014 11:08

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Omi no Kami posted:

Oh derp, rudder trim was all the way left for some reason, thank you!

# ? Sep 13, 2014 11:09

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:38

e.pilot: Nov 20, 2011; sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

If there a way to make xplane ask what plane and airport I want before it starts loading everything? It's super annoying having to load a plane and airport I don't care about just to change to somewhere else and wait for it to load again.

# ? Sep 15, 2014 05:01

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