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Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)


edit: thank you Joe!

Don't forget to join the lost souls in the #Diefenbunker on IRC @ irc.synirc.com


canada.gif wins out over canada.jpg

Welcome to the Canadian political megathread! We use this thread to post about anything related to Canadian federal, provincial, municipal, regionalism or food politics. (La Bottega > German Town)

For those of you who have been drawn in by the Ford scandal involving crack cocaine, we invite you to consider these alternate reasons to be mad at everything:

  • Mike Duffy continues to elude cameras, journalists and his office. Sources on the hill say his office has been dark for two days and his mail is sitting outside in a growing pile of secure bags.
  • Harper continues to dodge questions as to the propriety of his Chief of Staff giving $90K to a sitting senator by referring to events concerning Mulcair from 14 years ago, unpaid taxes by a senator (both currently being investigated), and a silly quote by Trudeau.
  • Arthur Porter and Pamela Wallin have been added to the list of possibly corrupt people.
  • According to @jordan_presse, the Tory dominated committee meeting regarding Senators Duffy, Harb and Brazeau's improper expenses lasted one minute in camera.
  • Frank Graves of EKOS says that the reason they got it so wrong (again) in British Columbia is because, while they correctly polled who people would vote for, they incorrectly assumed people would vote.
  • The F-35 is still a loving joke, but it has been joined by some silly all purpose jeep things, ships, and helicopters.
  • The Conservatives cancelled federal inspections of new oilpatch sites after meeting with the petroleum producers' association six times, and meeting with environmental groups a total of one time.
  • Basically, Toronto somehow stole the thunder of Quebec's entire infrastructure being corrupt.
  • Ontario is still completely in the dark as to how much the gas plants cost so that the Liberals could win some NIMBY ridings.
  • I'd throw a bone to Saskatchewan or the Maritimes, but we talk gently caress all about them.

Sources for news:

I personally rely on a couple of things to get my news. First of all, if you can sign up to the iPolitics Brief (may require a subscription, but mine has expired and I still get it), you are guaranteed at least basic knowledge of what to search on Google News that day. Our major national news sources are, sadly, the National Post, Macleans, Globe and Mail, and the CBC. For partisan news on the left and right, you will want to check out Rabble.ca and Sun News Network, respectively. I also make judicious use of Blogging Tories. Good regionals include the Tyee for BC, Toronto Star, Ottawa Citizen ,and I guess Cyberpresse or Le Devoir for Quebec?

Opinion editorials to watch include Chris Selley's pundit round up, Aaron Wherry, Paul Wells, Andrew Coyne, Johns Ibbitson and Ivison (I'm not convinced they're different people), Dan Gardner... this list is pretty leftist, but Coyne makes up for all of the others.

The rest of the time I use RSS feeds, Google news search alerts, and Twitter. If you're handy, you can use RSS feeds and your Twitter account in conjunction with something like Flipboard (as I do) to find articles that are making big waves. Watch #cdnpoli for a while to get an idea of the best twitter feeds to watch for serious retweeters, then follow them and watch who they're retweeting. Easy, and your smartphone can keep you up to date at all times.

And now, our cast!

Stephen Harper, King in the North.

Note possible heir and four time Sexiest MP Peter McKay grinning in the background as King Harper inspects his troops prior to the battle with:

Lord Outremont, Thomas Mulcair

Here he is, laughing at a performance of the Rains of Toronto, where he defeated his rivals for the throne.

Lord Papineau, Justin Trudeau, known to absolutely no one as "the Mountain that Rides".


The Queen of Thorns, Elizabeth May of the Flowers.


Don't forget Littlefinger! Ahem, I mean Lord Paille.

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unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
I'm not your Buddy, Pal.

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)
Why did it go back to poo poo post? I definitely set it to Canada.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

Kafka Esq. posted:

Why did it go back to poo poo post? I definitely set it to Canada.

That tag is as useful as nipples on a breastplate. Little and less.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

Kafka Esq. posted:

Why did it go back to poo poo post? I definitely set it to Canada.

Forums software content auto-detection and correction.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Kafka Esq. posted:

Stephen Harper, King in the North.


:unsmigghh:

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

Yahoo News posted:

'Raise taxes on the rich' is a verse straight from the NDP hymn books.
Well, according to a new Ipsos Reid poll released on Thursday, most of us feel that way:

Nine in ten (88%) Canadians ‘support’ (48% strongly/40% somewhat) the following resolution...the rich should pay more taxes. Just one in ten (12%) Canadians ‘oppose’ (3% strongly/8% somewhat) this resolution.

The survey also shows a similar proportion (89%) of Canadians also indicate they’d be ‘supportive’ (54% very/34% somewhat) of a ‘millionaire’s tax’, whereby families with a combined annual household income greater than $1,000,000 would pay a special or additional tax on all income over a million dollars.

The pollster also asked Canadians what they considered to be "rich". That answer —which might surprise you — is a household income of $195,000.

Gregory Thomas of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation says that raising taxes on the rich won't work in the long term. "The CD Howe Institute illustrated this recently in a study of Ontario’s tax hike [in their 2012 budget] for incomes over $500,000. CD Howe forecasts that hiking taxes to an effective rate of 49.73 per cent will bring the government extra revenue this year, because Ontario took taxpayers by surprise with the revenue grab," Thomas told Yahoo! Canada News.

"But within a few years, all that extra revenue will disappear, as taxpayers make adjustments, moving assets and income into other jurisdictions to avoid the high rates."

Charles Lammam of the Fraser Institute suggests higher personal income taxes would be a mistake and would lower our competitiveness in relation to the United States.

"Comparing our personal income tax system with the United States shows that our combined federal-provincial rates on upper-earners are generally higher than comparable rates down south. What’s worse, our marginal rates here kick in at relatively low levels of income. Consider that Canada’s top federal income tax rate applies to income beginning at CA$135,054 while the new top rate in the U.S. applies at US$400,000 for singles," he told Yahoo! in an email exchange.

"It is important to have competitive personal income taxes for many reasons. Doing so allows us to better compete with other countries in trying to attract and retain entrepreneurs, investors and skilled workers like doctors, lawyers, accountants and engineers.

"Higher income taxes are also a poor way to raise revenue to close budgetary deficits. Higher tax rates almost always lead to lower than expected revenues, in part since higher-income earners respond by arranging their affairs in a way that minimizes their tax burden. Revenues can also be lower because higher rates discourage additional income earning activity."

The poll was conducted online between May 16th and May 23rd, 2013 with 1,055 Canadians and is accurate to within +/- 3.4 percentage points.
Taxing statistics: (Source: Ipsos Reid)
- The top 1 per cent of income earners in Canada contribute 21.2 per cent of all federal, provincial and territorial taxes
- The bottom 20 per cent of income earners contribute just 1.6 per cent of all income taxes
- The bottom 50 per cent of Canadian earners pay approximately 17 per cent of all income taxes


(thanks hand knit)

edit: this is very interesting

Kafka Esq. fucked around with this message at 21:57 on May 30, 2013

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
ALL HAIL KING JACK!!!!



Also,

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Kafka Esq. posted:


(thanks hand knit)
You can take my child-smashing from my cold dead hands.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

This isn't turning into a picture thread, is it? At the risk of not fitting in:

Funkdreamer
Jul 15, 2005

It'll be a blast

Entropic posted:

You can take my child-smashing from my cold dead hands.
Bodychecking doesn't kill people, people bodychecking kills people

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

JoelJoel posted:

This isn't turning into a picture thread, is it? At the risk of not fitting in:


Rob's face is terrifying me. He looks like a demonic Louie Anderson who wants to eat my soul.

Justin Trudeau
Apr 4, 2009

There's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime

Doug Ford posted:

Toronto is in better fiscal shape than any other city in North America*

*citation needed

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)
Another minor scandal broke today - we all knew about how the Conservatives have been blandly redesigning sites to be generally less useful except as billboards for the Economic Action Plan. Now, the office of Julian Fantino (development minister), has basically denied knowing that why two articles saying "Dear NDP, CIDA doesn't need your advice" and "Liberals make promises, Conservatives get results" were posted. However, emails exist to the contrary, and the Canadian Press has them. Via the National Post:

quote:

OTTAWA — International Development Minister Julian Fantino’s office has said it had nothing to do with the posting of two partisan letters to a government website — but new documents appear to contradict that statement.

On Jan. 12, a series of opinion pieces penned by Fantino appeared on the Canadian International Development Agency website. Two of them included political content, with the titles “Dear NDP: CIDA does not need your economic advice,” and “Liberals make promises, Conservatives get results.”

A few days later, when media and the opposition began to question the propriety of putting partisan material on a federal government website, the letters were quickly taken down.

“CIDA was asked to add appropriate web content and these were posted in error. CIDA has been asked to remove them immediately,” Meagan Murdoch said on Jan. 15.

But emails released to The Canadian Press under the Access to Information Act show that Jo-Ann Purcell, a CIDA employee who worked directly inside Fantino’s office, was in the loop on the web content. Purcell acted as the main liaison between the department and the minister.

“Can you let me know what format/section of CIDA’s website these will be posted on? If possible, can you send a mock-up before posting all of them?” Purcell, then the senior departmental assistant in the minister’s office, asked in a Jan. 3 email with the subject line “Ministerial editorials.”

Part of Purcell’s email was withheld under the Access to Information Act because it apparently contained advice, recommendations, consultations and/or deliberations with officials or the minister. An email that followed directly afterward was also withheld for the same reasons.

Two items were posted by officials in error. CIDA was asked to remove them immediately and they did
Few additional details were forthcoming Wednesday from the minister’s office.

“CIDA was asked to add appropriate web content,” Murdoch said in an emailed statement that echoed her Jan. 15 reaction. “Two items were posted by officials in error. CIDA was asked to remove them immediately and they did.”

In the documents, bureaucrats told Purcell that the nine selected articles would have to go through a translation process. The minister’s office was then asked which order to put the articles in: “Would OMINE (the minister’s office) have a preference?”

On the day they went online, Jan. 12, Purcell wrote to the president of CIDA and other senior officials telling them “all” the material had been posted.

“OMINE (minister’s office) aware,” Purcell wrote, pasting links to the website.

Three days later, when media began questioning the letters on Twitter and calling CIDA, Purcell told confused bureaucrats to remove all the content from the web.

Officials from the Treasury Board Secretariat, which oversees the rules on non-partisan communications in the government, immediately got involved. Bureaucrats from the Privy Council Office — the prime minister’s department — had their hands in the communications response to media outlets.

And there seemed to be some concern from the Privy Council Office about just how much the minister’s office knew.

“We also need the email that was sent to the minister’s office advising them of this posting on Saturday,” wrote one PCO official.

A copy of Purcell’s redacted email of Jan. 3 was forwarded to the Privy Council in response.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
My sister works for Canada World Youth and is worried her job's going to disappear any day now. With CIDA being merged into Foreign Affairs everyone's waiting for CIDA-funded projects to start getting the axe.

Yeast Confection
Oct 7, 2005
Posted in the last half-hour of the old thread:

blackswordca posted:

Looks like Mr. Duffy was fishing for some perks

This just gets more entertaining as time goes on. I'm thinking someone is moving into "Throw Mike Duffy under the bus" mode.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
Why do all these Canadian politicians embroiled in scandal look like rotund knavish liars?

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
Expand my role
/

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Team THEOLOGY
Nov 27, 2008

VR Cowboy posted:

Posted in the last half-hour of the old thread:

Bring on the Senate abolishment cries! Even in the CBC comments. Yay!

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
I'd rather they just brought back putting people in stocks, this time in front of parliament so the duffster can get pelted with soggy cabbage for 8 hours a day.

Captain Geech
Mar 14, 2008

I've made a huge mistake.
Ban fat white guys from Canadian politics.

DerDestroyer
Jun 27, 2006

Baloogan posted:

Expand my role
/



Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Kafka Esq. posted:

Why did it go back to poo poo post? I definitely set it to Canada.

It's alright. I exported the poo poo post tag to Detroit so you can have your nice Canada one back.

Squibbles
Aug 24, 2000

Mwaha ha HA ha!

And his jowls grew 3 sizes that day

Canuckistan
Jan 14, 2004

I'm the greatest thing since World War III.





Soiled Meat

Joementum posted:

It's alright. I exported the poo poo post tag to Detroit so you can have your nice Canada one back.

The proper response would have been to insist that there was no Canada tag even through everyone's seen it.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich
Just want to point out that Ontario Tories harping on the Liberals for closing the power plants to score political points is really the height of hypocrisy, because:



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ontariovotes2011/story/2011/10/05/hudak-mississauga-gas-plant.html

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

Joementum posted:

It's alright. I exported the poo poo post tag to Detroit so you can have your nice Canada one back.
Thank you, Joe! Don't worry, we'll make sure to pollute the atmosphere horribly!

quaint bucket
Nov 29, 2007

First Canada mega thread without Chad Kroeger.

Give those socialists an inch and they spit all over Canada's proud heritage.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Joementum posted:

It's alright. I exported the poo poo post tag to Detroit so you can have your nice Canada one back.
They can chuck it on our big pile of tar sand refuse. :smug:

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Op is missing Her Majesty

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
Her Royal Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Baloogan posted:

Her Royal Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

Owner of the Best Teeth in the Realm

Excelsiortothemax
Sep 9, 2006

Fine-able Offense posted:

Owner of the Best Teeth in the Realm

Is that how they determine rank in the UK? The quality of the teeth?

Here we base it off of how good you look in a cowboy hat.

JohnnyCanuck
May 28, 2004

Strong And/Or Free

Baloogan posted:

Her Royal Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

Long may she reign.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
God Save The Queen.

ductonius
Apr 9, 2007
I heard there's a cream for that...

Baloogan posted:

Her Royal Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

You forgot "Paramount Chief of Figi".

ductonius fucked around with this message at 23:53 on May 30, 2013

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Baloogan posted:

Why do all these Canadian politicians embroiled in scandal look like rotund knavish liars?

They actually look like white Hutts.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

ductonius posted:

You forgot "Paramount Chief of Figi"

If I listed all of Her Majesty's titles I'd still be typing up the post. That is Her Majesty's title in Canada in Her Majesty's capacity as Queen of Canada.

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quaint bucket
Nov 29, 2007

Excelsiortothemax posted:

Is that how they determine rank in the UK? The quality of the teeth?

Here we base it off of how good you look in a cowboy hat.

Mulcair looks awesome in the hat. He should wear it everyday in QP.

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