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Yeah, because someone who lives on a farm in Southern Alberta is just like someone who lives in Edmonton--Strathcona. The ignorance of this thread amuses me everyday. 
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My apology for the misunderstanding. I meant regionally diverse for landscape, climate, politics and income diversity. I did not mean to generalize the people since every area is different.
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Jun 1, 2013 22:23
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:The worst people in Ontario tend to move to Alberta and assimilate perfectly. The best people in Alberta should probably move elsewhere and give up on the province. The thing about Alberta, and Calgary in particular, is that in spite of what local and provincial politicians say, Calgary's population is very transient in nature and deep down, a large part of these newcomers don't plan on living the rest of their lives in Calgary; hell, my parents are planning on moving back to southern Ontario in the next couple of years (don't worry, they're NDP voters). The issue this creates from a political perspective is that very few people here engage meaningfully in politics at any level - just look at voter turnouts in any Calgary election in the last 20 years - because they have no personal or emotional investment in the city beyond having a job here. Beyond that, there are huge numbers of people here who despite holding views more in line with the Liberals or NDP will vote Conservative purely by reflex or because of stupid old grudges (the Libs are gonna take ARE OIL  ). If it wasn't for the constant bombardment by employers and the media that Blue Knows Best (and if you don't vote for them we'll be living in Detroit North overnight), Calgary would have a very different face politically. Additonally, my wildly anecdotal evidence suggests that the only people around here who really care about politics enough to do anything about it (even if "it" is constituted merely by voting, sadly) are Conservative supporters. As such, there is a real defeatist attitude amongst left-leaning people here. Once in a while someone comes along, whips up the left and generates a pretty staggering result - like Naheed Nenshi. The sentiment is here, believe me; it's just nobody has bothered to tap it adequately.
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Helsing posted:This column is seriously lacking in perspective. Sure we have some bad scandals breaking headlines but the idea that this is the worst month in Canadian politics is ridiculous. The FLQ or even the tensions surrounding Meech Lake and Charlottetown were much more serious national crises than anything going on right now.
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Jun 1, 2013 23:00
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THC posted:The most outrageous single event in recent memory is the Toronto G20 conference imo. But May 2013 was a pretty awful month. It depends on how you take the term "worst". If by worst, you mean the largest crisis, then no, this week doesn't stack up. If by worst you mean "I can't believe how many of our political elite are entitled shitheads" then is is pretty bad.
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The bad thing about the G20 wasn't that it was a bad month for Canadian politics, it's that it was a bad week for Canadian civil liberties. I'm pretty sure the entire political class was on the side of the police at the time, it was hardly a crisis until there was mass public outcry afterwards and the opposition saw a chance to snipe away at the CPC for gazebos.
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With Kathleen Wynne's comments about the current gong show surrounding Rob Ford, comes faint cries of "what about [FORMER LIBERAL MP] Joe Fontana, unelected premier Wynne? What about him?" from some far off corners of the Internet, like Twitter or Sun comments. So what about Joe Fontana? I haven't really heard anything new since last month when he was last in court. Any London folks in this thread have any word from on the ground? Are the charges sticking?
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Jun 2, 2013 16:25
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To the disappointment of no one, Rob Ford will once again skip the Toronto Pride parade.
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Jun 2, 2013 17:16
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Too much crack on display, he might flip his poo poo.
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Majuju posted:Too much crack on display, he might flip his poo poo. 
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I'm at the slutwalk rally downtown and this loving fat bloke in a kilt and a legion hat is going around telling anyone who'll listen about the evils of Islam and Muslims are the real sexists don'tcha know 
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THC posted:I'm at the slutwalk rally downtown and this loving fat bloke in a kilt and a legion hat is going around telling anyone who'll listen about the evils of Islam and Muslims are the real sexists don'tcha know Ford thinks it's halloween today?
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THC posted:I'm at the slutwalk rally downtown and this loving fat bloke in a kilt and a legion hat is going around telling anyone who'll listen about the evils of Islam and Muslims are the real sexists don'tcha know This is such a pedandtic derail that comes up as a criticism of feminist efforts in Canada, and the United States. A feminist will argue that there is a problem within Canada, as to how women are treated. Let's say it's a case of sexual assault on college and university campuses, for example. The derailer will say, "yes, but in Muslim countries women can't even leave the house without a male chaperone, so why aren't you trying to fight that fight, because it's so much worse there than it is here?" And it's so loving disingenuous, and it drives me crazy.
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Leofish posted:And it's so loving disingenuous, and it drives me crazy. When people act like one can only fight one social cause at a time I just kind of shrug and hope they get hit by a zamboni.
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Leofish posted:This is such a pedandtic derail that comes up as a criticism of feminist efforts in Canada, and the United States. A feminist will argue that there is a problem within Canada, as to how women are treated. Let's say it's a case of sexual assault on college and university campuses, for example. Yea I totally agree. I mean of course it's disgusting that things such as that happen anywhere but it definitely shouldn't detract from the efforts of people here to fight other inequalities. Also, there are appropriate places to raise awareness of certain ridiculous inequalities and that isn't certainly the place to do it. gently caress anyone who treats women like poo poo, gently caress them all.
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:When people act like one can only fight one social cause at a time I just kind of shrug and hope they get hit by a zamboni. That's not even the angle they're coming from, it's worse than that. The basic premise is that the real sexists are over in [insert country here, ususally Muslim-majority] unlike liberal Canada, where sexism is over and women are just trying to get privileges. Seriously, I've seen it work on people too. A friend of mine basically said that because we aren't as terrible as Saudi Arabia, we must be OK and the people whining about civil rights here are just demanding special treatment. He wouldn't listen to any arguments about sexism or racism in Canada. E: Well, he was more of an acquaintance in university, and a member of the CPC too.
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I've seen the 'We're not as bad as X so why are you complaining?' argument used for everything from sexism to racism to poverty to academic achievement. It sucks for all of them. Like Cordyceps says, it's especially bad when it's used to gloss over real problems that exist right here in Canada. Reminds me of the 'Why are you worrying about problem X when there are bigger problems?' stance.
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Tochiazuma posted:I've seen the 'We're not as bad as X so why are you complaining?' argument used for everything from sexism to racism to poverty to academic achievement. It sucks for all of them. Like Cordyceps says, it's especially bad when it's used to gloss over real problems that exist right here in Canada. I pretty much have a great dislike of anyone that thinks either situation is alright. They are both loving reprehensible and wrong and people should hang for it. That being said you can't just say X is worse so gently caress problem why, those people really boggle the mind. As far as working on the issues you can never work on solely one at the expense of all others and by doing something like you described that idiot was doing you are really only trying to pull away from the legitimacy of both claims which is dead wrong at best and evil at worst.
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Team THEOLOGY posted:I pretty much have a great dislike of anyone that thinks either situation is alright. They are both loving reprehensible and wrong and people should hang for it. That being said you can't just say X is worse so gently caress problem why, those people really boggle the mind. As far as working on the issues you can never work on solely one at the expense of all others and by doing something like you described that idiot was doing you are really only trying to pull away from the legitimacy of both claims which is dead wrong at best and evil at worst. How do you feel about the governments response to various criticisms by the UN over the last couple years?
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Cordyceps Headache posted:That's not even the angle they're coming from, it's worse than that. The basic premise is that the real sexists are over in [insert country here, ususally Muslim-majority] unlike liberal Canada, where sexism is over and women are just trying to get privileges. vvv This was in Vancouver but who knows, maybe he's a jetsetting racist Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jun 2, 2013 |
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Jun 2, 2013 23:37
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THC posted:I'm at the slutwalk rally downtown and this loving fat bloke in a kilt and a legion hat is going around telling anyone who'll listen about the evils of Islam and Muslims are the real sexists don'tcha know I saw that guy at Queen and Bay a couple weeks ago. He was called out and subsequently schooled on modern feminism and racism by a lady who was passing by when he started yelling his bullshit. It was hilarious, I'm surprised he wasn't more prepared for it though, it seems like he'd get that sort of reaction fairly often. Edit: ^^Either that or there's a clan of them. This guy definitely matched your description of the outfit at least. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Jun 2, 2013 |
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Jun 2, 2013 23:38
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My dad is currently going on about how the Toronto Star has been acting unprofessionally throughout the Rob Ford fiasco, and espousing the journalistic integrity of the Globe and Mail  Edit: "The Globe is left of center" 
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AllTerrineVehicle posted:Edit: "The Globe is left of center" My parents spouted this to me the other day, then I reminded them they've endorsed Harper a few times now. Followed that up with links to a bunch of recent articles with a decidedly conservative spin, and the only response I got was "Oh."  At one point in time the globe was left of center, but that time is long past.
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That darn left-wing Canadian media!
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Jun 2, 2013 23:57
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"Le Soleil (Quebec City) [39] - Recommended voting for the best local candidate." gently caress yeah. Good on you, Le Soleil.
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Yeah The Star may have only been playing catch up to a blog reporter but they really couldn't have gone ahead with "we saw this video we swear, but we aren't going to buy it" as a story. The Globe had no reason to publish their Doug Ford story when they did, either it was a valid story a year ago or it's still anonymously sourced folderol.
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Lol, the Globe is left of centre. Hell, I subscribe to the Globe and Mail*, but the bias is obvious. The only way I can think of describing it is as bourgeois. It caters to very specific socioeconomic class that likes to think of itself as progressive and enlightened, but still votes for the Conservatives out of greed. * I like reading their guest editorials, and stuff by Lawrence Martin. Plus it gives me something to read in the morning. Better than the Ottawa Citizen at least 
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Yeah, it's always astounding to me how some people can breathe fire about things being biased to the left and not be able to see the bias in what they read themselves. I guess people conflate "biased" with "doesn't agree with me".
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JawKnee posted:How do you feel about the governments response to various criticisms by the UN over the last couple years? I feel like it has been shameful in some places sure, like any other government but unlike a person on a street a government has an opportunity cost to address whenever it does anything and I believe government should commit to global goals especially in the worst areas. I don't think anyone should detract from the importance of any one file but when a government is committing resources to the world on the whole there are certainly some issues which are worse than others, what I believe is worse I'll keep to myself but I certainly am able to explain that a government has a global responsibility and a person in a city is a bit different. (To be honest I know that isn't an incredibly well communicated answer but it's a sensitive topic and Sunday is not a super aggressive argument day for me.)
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Paper Jam Dipper posted:"Le Soleil (Quebec City) [39] - Recommended voting for the best local candidate." Look at the article. "Vote for the best local candidate. Oh and aren't our local Conservative MPs nice?"
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Jun 3, 2013 00:24
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THC posted:they'll try to impose shawarma law I'm okay with this.
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Pickled turnips for everyone!
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angerbot posted:Pickled turnips for everyone! Garlic Sauce is a human right!
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THC posted:they'll try to impose shawarma law where can I vote for this
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bunnyofdoom posted:Garlic Sauce is a human right! This is why I love Ottawa. More shawarma places than Lebanon.  Wait, drat, talking about food again! Uh, uh, Rob Ford should be into fracking not cracking!
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Speaking of the G&M being terrible You loving feminists got what you wanted, now who's going to scrub the dishes huh?!?!
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:This is why I love Ottawa. More shawarma places than Lebanon. My god, there's like 8 in a one block circle from my office, I swear. Also, poli-chat, has everyone seen Don Martin tearing into Duffy on Powerplay?
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The last 4 summers I used to buy lunch every week at this dirty old shawarma/donair hovel wedged between the Delta Hotel and the Morris J. Wosk Centre For Dialogue At SFU's Harbour Centre Campus™. It was run by this old Greek guy and he served the best goddamn chicken in the downtown core, if not the whole city. I was dismayed last week to discover it's been replaced by a much cleaner, but massively inferior corporate franchise which serves lightly seasoned rubbery bland mystery meat out of a big metal steamer. Instead of the delicious crispy morsels of goodness shaved off a vertical spit that are promised by the word "shawarma". I hate what this city is becoming 
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bunnyofdoom posted:Also, poli-chat, has everyone seen Don Martin tearing into Duffy on Powerplay?
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THC posted:Speaking of the G&M being terrible Nope, I was wrong. That's a pretty despicable title. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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