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Yeah I really wanted him which sucks. I love transformers with interiors, but he never goes for under a hundo
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strangehamster posted:Ohhhkaay.... Ha, right at this moment I'm staying literally opposite where BotCon is going to be, out in St. Charles. The Pheasant Run is a really nice place, all 60s country club style. Shame I'm not here when it's on. The Walmart next to my hotel has Roadbuster and Skybyte in stock so I'm gonna go grab those later on today.
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Hey goons I have arrived in Chicago and I am ready to talk about toys and drink. Might go see We Were Promised Jetpacks tonight. I don't think there are any Tfcon events tonight? Also quick poll, which is worse: - parts forming - gorilla arms - energon hips
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TheDK posted:Hey goons I have arrived in Chicago and I am ready to talk about toys and drink. Might go see We Were Promised Jetpacks tonight. I don't think there are any Tfcon events tonight? Well that's easy: gorilla arms. Partsforming can be useful if done right, and Energon hips are occasionally unavoidable due to transformation. There's never a good reason for gorilla arms. I would probably not refuse to buy a figure over gorilla arms but I see why people hate them so much.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:09
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I just checked in to the hotel, there are girls here! (For the supernatural con)
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TheDK posted:Hey goons I have arrived in Chicago and I am ready to talk about toys and drink. Might go see We Were Promised Jetpacks tonight. I don't think there are any Tfcon events tonight? Some of my favorite Transformers have energon hips.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:33
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Phy posted:Some of my favorite Transformers have energon hips. Do they lie?
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Oct 24, 2014 19:42
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Keldroc posted:Well that's easy: gorilla arms. Partsforming can be useful if done right, and Energon hips are occasionally unavoidable due to transformation. There's never a good reason for gorilla arms. The only excuse for partsforming is for something that is an accessory in both modes, i.e., something that, if it were missing, you would still have a complete robot or a complete alt mode. Combiners and power-suits (Ultra Magnus) get a free pass. Partsforming, when done wrong, is so much worse than the worst case of gorilla arms. Hell, while a pain in the rear end, gorilla arms can often be fixed. Figures with partsforming are so fundamentally screwed there is no fixing them. Shellforming might deserve a place in the poll, btw.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:53
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There was certainly enough room on BW Megatron for some kind of fold-out hand.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:There was certainly enough room on BW Megatron for some kind of fold-out hand. The first few non-transmetal waves were kind of a mixed bag. Both Optimus and Megatron were solid figures, but then you had stuff like Rhinox which nobody can explain why he is so bad. Not only that but Grimlock having gold plastic syndrome, the "mutant" heads which were never fully explained, the pack in comic having nothing to do with the TV show, and repaints of the same figures in the original wave(Basic Megatron and Iguanis). I still think the color scheme for BW grimlock was cool and would probably serve another more modern dinosaur figure well if they didn't use cheap gold plastic. The Taint Reaper fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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catch22 posted:The only excuse for partsforming is for something that is an accessory in both modes, i.e., something that, if it were missing, you would still have a complete robot or a complete alt mode. Combiners and power-suits (Ultra Magnus) get a free pass. I do not understand this parts forming hate. If you don't lose your accesories, it's not a problem. It's been used for great effect in a lot of cases (UM, Omega Supreme, a few BW deluxes, like cheetor). It also teaches kids responsibilities, you want a fully transforming UM, look after your poo poo.
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catch22 posted:The only excuse for partsforming is for something that is an accessory in both modes, i.e., something that, if it were missing, you would still have a complete robot or a complete alt mode. Combiners and power-suits (Ultra Magnus) get a free pass. Yeah, no. Omega Supreme was one of my favorite toys as a kid, because he was like a puzzle. I have also never lost any pieces of a partsformer, so I'm not worried about that aspect. I can't really think of a partsformer I dislike, unless you count RiD Omega Prime, which is mainly just due to how complicated it gets; the end result is awesome. quote:Shellforming might deserve a place in the poll, btw. PRiD Vehicon, probably the most universally beloved TFP toy, is a shellformer. So again, as with anything in design, it's about doing it well. Gorilla arms are bad design. Partsforming and shellforming are design choices, whose success or failure depend on execution.
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Preordered MP Skywarp because you cannot go wrong with silver+black+purple. Never.
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I can forgive shellforming if the shell itself ends up looking good on the figure. Like Mammoth Prime or Brawn/Outback.
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Keldroc posted:
I could see why you would call him a shellformer, but really all of the "shell" folds away very neatly into anatomically appropriate legs. That to me is not a shellformer. When I think shellformer I think of the BWII/Neo guys who had enormous Penguin/Triceratop/Giraffe torsos for shoulder pads and horse legs sticking out their back. If all of the poo poo has somewhere to go on the toy instead of just hanging off of it somewhere I don't think it's really shellformer.
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LightsGameraAction posted:I could see why you would call him a shellformer, but really all of the "shell" folds away very neatly into anatomically appropriate legs. That to me is not a shellformer. When I think shellformer I think of the BWII/Neo guys who had enormous Penguin/Triceratop/Giraffe torsos for shoulder pads and horse legs sticking out their back. If all of the poo poo has somewhere to go on the toy instead of just hanging off of it somewhere I don't think it's really shellformer. It absolutely is a shellformer, it's just a well-designed one. Almost the entire car mode is just a shell that fits over the robot parts, like any shellformer, but PRiD finds a much better way to fold and store the shell than probably any other shellformer in the brand's history. Same idea, smarter execution.
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Is it a shellformer if the "shell" itself collapses into the robot mode and leaves no kibble?
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Keldroc posted:It absolutely is a shellformer, it's just a well-designed one. Almost the entire car mode is just a shell that fits over the robot parts, like any shellformer, but PRiD finds a much better way to fold and store the shell than probably any other shellformer in the brand's history. Same idea, smarter execution. If I understand shellformers correctly, perhaps a good way to underline your point is that the PRID Vehicon is Gallant and AOE Galvatron is Goofus. They both have the same basic "trick" but one is one of the best deluxes ever and the other is a pile of crap.
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TFcon Chicago peoples: let's meet up, here are some details - room 2736 - text 919-386-9616 Text me and we can laugh about robots and watch TF-related youtubes and such.
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Sure, that works. Text: 225-978-9729 iMessage/whatsapp: +447930154679 The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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Oct 24, 2014 23:59
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Anora posted:It's been used for great effect in a lot of cases (UM, Omega Supreme, a few BW deluxes, like cheetor). Keldroc posted:Yeah, no. Omega Supreme was one of my favorite toys as a kid, because he was like a puzzle. catch22 posted:The only excuse for partsforming is for something that is an accessory in both modes, i.e., something that, if it were missing, you would still have a complete robot or a complete alt mode. Combiners and power-suits (Ultra Magnus) get a free pass. Omega Supreme is a combiner as far as I'm concerned. I'm fine with figures whose gimmick is parts-forming, and it's not just a random limb or something that needs to be removed and put somewhere else because the designers were lazy. I can't immediately think of a Transformer-brand example with the exception of "shields" which is more often than not lame, though Roadbots are a good example of "bad" partsforming, or Daca Toys Kronos (the backpack isn't such a big deal, but the other bits that require it on that toy).
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Tomy collaborated with a robotics company to make an actual transforming robot. Here's the result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vejWWwt4UE
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Wish I could make it to Chicago and chill with you dudes. I might go to Chicago next year instead of Toronto because I've never been. This year's TFCon Toronto was kind of an off year compared to the last two. Unfortunate things happened to folks and there was just an overall sense of unpleasantness and bad vibes that kind of dampened my mood. Plus while my roommate this year was a nice kid, he was just kind of quiet and not super fun. I figure if I take a year off then go there for 2016 it's be fresh for me again. Also partformers are totally kosher as long as they can store all their parts in both modes. Then I'm cool with it.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Wish I could make it to Chicago and chill with you dudes.
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TheDK posted:gently caress dude I just assumed you would be here, drat, was looking forward to hanging out. Do we have a list of goons with tables so I know from which tables I need to buy things? I wanted to go but I just can't afford two cons in a single year anymore. Plus I don't get that many vacation days. 
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TheDK posted:gently caress dude I just assumed you would be here, drat, was looking forward to hanging out. Do we have a list of goons with tables so I know from which tables I need to buy things? I'm on the inside corner booth next to captured prey and fans project core 
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strangehamster posted:I'm on the inside corner booth next to captured prey and fans project core
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Spiderdrake posted:Quickly, acquire a boombox and play bro team rap til the area belongs to you. Everyone selling here is pretty hardcore selling poo poo, I'm just dicking around with one table and one van of toys?
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Why cookie Rocket posted:If I understand shellformers correctly, perhaps a good way to underline your point is that the PRID Vehicon is Gallant and AOE Galvatron is Goofus. They both have the same basic "trick" but one is one of the best deluxes ever and the other is a pile of crap. Sorry, Galvatron is also fun 
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AoE Galvatron's only major problem is his lack of paint. The Takara version fixed that. Or you can fix that yourself if you have the skill and time.
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Blackheart posted:Sorry, Galvatron is also fun Yeah, AoE Galvatron is a good figure, as is PRiD Vehicon. His lack of paint-apps is sad and dissapointing, but he's a fun figure.
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Yep after some silver and minor metallic detailing my appreciation for him went up a lot. It's actually impressive how much he compresses his "shell" and he's very decently articulated (ball-jointed head voyagers are rare). It's sad that Mega/Galvatron tend to get the shaft when it comes to paint apps budget, Prime Megs is similarly nice when painted silver.
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AOE Galavtron would be better if the vehicle cab was blue and the trailer hitch area was red. And when he transformed his robot body would be yellow and black with some blue around his wrists and ankles. What I'm saying is with a new head he would make the perfect Longtooth.
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One bar is full the other is empty? Kinda bored... 
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Blackheart posted:Sorry, Galvatron is also fun I'm not saying he isn't "fun" but if you're into clever transformations he's just another rear end in a top hat wearing his alt mode on his back.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:I'm not saying he isn't "fun" but if you're into clever transformations he's just another rear end in a top hat wearing his alt mode on his back. But that's just it, for being a complete shameless Shellformer, the way that shell manages to compress is actually very clever and unique. The MSJ posted:When is Brainstorm supposed to be available? It was originally coming in October, so it should start showing up in the usual places (Malaysia, Hong Kong etc) any day now, and in the US a while later.
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The MSJ posted:When is Brainstorm supposed to be available? Amazon says January. I'm not worried about finding him, people were saying Roadbuster and Skybyte would be hard to find and I've seen them at a half dozen stores now.
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strangehamster posted:Everyone selling here is pretty hardcore selling poo poo, I'm just dicking around with one table and one van of toys? I know several shops are there. And a group selling their departed friend's collection to pay his funeral expenses.
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