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Hahaha, what the gently caress is this? http://www.kadenshojo.com/madomagi/ Well, Pleiades started out as a shameless marketing ploy and turned into something majestic, but I suspect that the Madoka side of the production won't be given be given the creative freedom to do something interesting.
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Phobophilia posted:Hahaha, what the gently caress is this? There has to be a line where we have to stop turning things into anime girls but I can't for the life of me find it. And now I'll forever be unable to get angry with my computer when it freezes up. It's okay, take a break. We'll restart later and try again.
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Jun 29, 2015 12:55
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That reminds me, did anyone see the Madoka/Magical Girl episode of Nisekoi? Was really fun, episode 8 of the most reason season if I remember correctly.
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Jun 29, 2015 13:55
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i do not quite understand why madoka is noclipping through a washing machine
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Jun 29, 2015 18:52
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They hosed up by not making Kyoko some sort of food making appliance.
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Jun 29, 2015 19:17
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Starsnostars posted:They hosed up by not making Kyoko some sort of food making appliance. I thought food naturally grows out of refrigerators?
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Jun 29, 2015 19:30
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Ahh I skimmed past the fridge and only saw the iron.
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Space Flower posted:There has to be a line where we have to stop turning things into anime girls but I can't for the life of me find it. And when it randomly wakes up from sleep mode in the middle of the night, I'll just assume it had a nightmare. (that happened 4 times last night, seriously)
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So I've been pleasantly surprised by the Madoka manga I've read recently. Usually the spinoff manga or the adaptations are not very good, so this trend is a bit surprising. The first was Oriko Magica Extra Story, which I purchased pretty much solely to get a better sense of the characters while writing dialogue for those two in Vice Virtuoso's Madoka Civ mods. Considering how the original Oriko was, I was expecting more of the same, however, I found that Extra Story was more or less decent. It expanded on all of the original characters in Oriko, giving them the entirety of the focus and making them somewhat interesting characters. It felt like the absence of the central cast actually helped here, as their presence really does overshadow these characters specifically. As well, there's a moment in the manga which ties really well into Madoka's core philosophy, but hasn't been explored too much in the main series, at least not exactly. The second was Homura's Revenge, which I was expecting to be terrible from what Vice told me of the Japanese reviews, but it also turned out pretty good. The premise is essentially that during the last loop Homura actually does what she thought she should have done as presented in Rebellion ("I shouldn't have allowed that to happen. No matter what it took, I should have stopped you back then."), and stops Madoka from contracting. She does this by grabbing her and resetting time, which takes Madoka back with her. It's non-canon, obviously, as it's using the series loop as part of the premise, but that twist starts another loop where things end up quite changed around. I felt like the characters were pretty on-point with the exception of Kyuubey at times, and the changes flow fairly naturally from the premise. There's a character moment with Madoka and Homura in particular that I felt was pretty well done. I'd probably rate this around the level of Portable, and if you liked what Portable did, you'll probably like this as well. All in all, it seems like Madoka manga may be on a bit of an upswing, but I'm not terribly confident in Homura Tamura (a comedic spinoff that just sounds like an official doujinshi) or Suzune Magica (yet another spinoff based on an original character), so I'll suppose we'll see. Lord Justice fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Jul 22, 2015 |
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Jul 22, 2015 07:31
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I finally got around to watching this Rebellion review linked two pages back. Man, this guy is bad at humor and needs to take a forensics class. e: This 'joke' about lesbians and fapping is making me embarrassed for him.
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Jul 23, 2015 06:52
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Yeah, what you said about Oriko rings pretty true. There's tons of potential in the Madoka premise and setting, but the original spinoffs need to just be their own thing instead of trying to incorporate the cast of the anime.
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Jul 23, 2015 07:05
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PerrineClostermann posted:I finally got around to watching this Rebellion review linked two pages back. Man, this guy is bad at humor and needs to take a forensics class. Look at this fun hater.
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Hommando posted:Look at this fun hater. I like fun, it's just that so far this "review" is him poorly delivering "jokes" while literally summarizing the movie with no further commentary. I'd rather watch Demolition D. Or even recent Red Letter Media.
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Jul 23, 2015 07:26
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PerrineClostermann posted:I like fun, it's just that so far this "review" is him poorly delivering "jokes" while literally summarizing the movie with no further commentary. Some of his jokes fall flat and he has this really bad tendency to make terrible AMVs, but I still like his interpretation of some of the scenes.
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Jul 23, 2015 07:29
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Hommando posted:Look at this fun hater. He's pretty on-point though, while SFDebris is very good at analyzing Madoka (being in part what influenced me to analyze it), his attempts at humour in his videos come off as awful and completely tone deaf. That whole sequence about lesbians and homophobia in his video of episode 12 are utterly cringe inducing, especially considering what Madoka isn't. I.E, cheap, sexualized yuri shoujo ai otaku bait.
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Jul 23, 2015 07:29
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I mean, an example of something that goes more for hilarity while critically analyzing a piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5bWHY9xKr4 And examining it a bit more seriously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfM3WjyCt8s And no, I don't have a mancrush on demod. e: Endorph posted:Yeah, what you said about Oriko rings pretty true. There's tons of potential in the Madoka premise and setting, but the original spinoffs need to just be their own thing instead of trying to incorporate the cast of the anime. Kazumi tried that and didn't do very well, even though it had some very neat ideas and exploring more of the universe is something I'd be all for. PerrineClostermann fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Jul 23, 2015 |
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Jul 23, 2015 07:42
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Demo always intersperses his videos with MadoHomu. I don't have a mancrush either, he's just really level-headed and funny and I have his youtube favorites set as one of my playlists.
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PerrineClostermann posted:I finally got around to watching this Rebellion review linked two pages back. Man, this guy is bad at humor and needs to take a forensics class. He's a huge nerd, but -unlike most- his analysis is good. Yet his jokes, music selection, and punchlines are godawful. I enjoy madoka but, just as with Eva, nerds tend to over-analyze it to insane levels (sorry Lord Justice but you're looking too much into it. Sometimes cool stuff is there just to be cool). I like rebellion, I like its ending because it is a complete 180-degree turn from the tv series one but it is not forced and actually makes sense. trucutru fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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Jul 24, 2015 05:05
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I liked his review of the original series but not the review of rebellion, it felt like too much time was spent just saying what happens.
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trucutru posted:He's a huge nerd, but -unlike most- his analysis is good. Yet his jokes, music selection, and punchlines are godawful. My apologies, but I don't really agree with that sort of approach as it were. At least not in regards to Madoka, which I feel isn't really possible to "over-analyze" due to the complexity of the work, especially with Rebellion. My attempts at analysis are really my attempt to understand Madoka on a deeper level, which I feel is possible because Madoka's construction allows for that sort of thing. My understanding of the work has shifted remarkably from when I first watched Rebellion over a year ago, and much of that is thanks to my analysis, both here and elsewhere. Rebellion, to me, is now a better film than it was a year ago, and that completely stems from my changing perspective on the work. In a sense, it almost feels like Rebellion was explicitly designed to be interpreted such that, to really understand Rebellion, such analysis is functionally a requirement. Of course, I'll also be the first to say that my viewpoint is subjective to myself, people are going to approach Madoka differently. How an artistic work is interpreted is always up to the viewer experiencing the work. Lord Justice fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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Jul 24, 2015 08:30
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Lord Justice posted:My apologies, but I don't really agree with that sort of approach as it were. At least not in regards to Madoka, which I feel isn't really possible to "over-analyze" due to the complexity of the work, especially with Rebellion. My attempts at analysis are really my attempt to understand Madoka on a deeper level, which I feel is possible because Madoka's construction allows for that sort of thing. My understanding of the work has shifted remarkably from when I first watched Rebellion over a year ago, and much of that is thanks to my analysis, both here and elsewhere. Rebellion, to me, is now a better film than it was a year ago, and that completely stems from my changing perspective on the work. In a sense, it almost feels like Rebellion was explicitly designed to be interpreted such that, to really understand Rebellion, such analysis is functionally a requirement. lol Seriously though, please stop using 5 words where 1 will do.
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Jul 24, 2015 18:06
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I like Sfdebris, Madoka, and Sfdebris analyzing Madoka. I do not like Kill la Kill, or thinking about Kill la Kill.
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Acne Rain posted:I like Sfdebris, Madoka, and Sfdebris analyzing Madoka. I'll alert the relevant authorities.
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Lord Justice posted:which I feel isn't really possible to "over-analyze" due to the complexity of the work, Lol. thus my mention of "insane levels". Good for you to enjoy it, but just because you see overly profound/complex things in rebellion doesn't mean that they are actually present in the movie (and this has nothing to do with subjectivity)
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trucutru posted:Lol. thus my mention of "insane levels". I don't believe this to be correct, especially in regards to Rebellion. True, I do use some concepts that exist outside of the movie in that they aren't directly referenced (the four forms of the Greek interpretation of love, or the concept of the Pharmakon as applied to Madoka's approach to love in an in-progress analysis, to name a few examples), but in those cases I feel it serves as a useful tool for understanding the work. More to the point however, I feel this is a subjective argument, precisely because of Rebellion's construction. Rebellion as an artistic work is dense and layered, with double and triple meanings behind much of the dialogue and imagery. Rebellion is not a simplistic work, and the understanding of its meaning is tied to how you appraise it. In other words, there is much more to Rebellion than is obvious after viewing it once, twice, or even sixteen times like myself. Like I said previously, my understanding of the film has changed radically since first viewing, and Rebellion's complexity is the source of that changing perspective. Lord Justice fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jul 24, 2015 |
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Jul 24, 2015 22:05
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Lol if you read those posts
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Lol if you watch any anim 16 times
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Namtab posted:Lol if you watch any anim 16 times I'm pretty sure I've watched Serial Experiments Lain and Escaflowne 16 times.  Of course, they were the first two non-DBZ anime I ever watched. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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Jul 25, 2015 00:41
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Lord Justice is my friend now and they are allowed to post all they want about Madoka. Namtab you are being warned.
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Sharkopath posted:Lord Justice is my friend now and they are allowed to post all they want about Madoka. Namtab you are being warned. Many thanks for the support, friend.
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Sharkopath posted:Lord Justice is my friend now and they are allowed to post all they want about Madoka. Namtab you are being warned. Try and stop me
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Sharkopath posted:Lord Justice is my friend now and they are allowed to post all they want about Madoka. Namtab you are being warned. Sharky is right
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.jpg posted:I like Bebe the most Bebe is pretty great. And I don't get why she gets ragged for serving the same purpose to Rebellion that Mami had in the series. I get what the argument is ("fanservice! aaaaaaaaaa stop pleasing people!!!!!!") I just don't see how it has any credence.
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Bebe was largely unnecessary and integrated just enough into the story that removing her would be somewhat difficult, but not enough to satisfactorily justify her existence.
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Space Flower posted:Bebe is pretty great. And I don't get why she gets ragged for serving the same purpose to Rebellion that Mami had in the series. I get what the argument is ("fanservice! aaaaaaaaaa stop pleasing people!!!!!!") I just don't see how it has any credence. The issue with Bebe/Nagisa is one of characterization. In effect, she really doesn't have any, beyond liking cheese. This is the central issue; when she's supposed to be part of the central cast, but the rest of the central cast completely dwarfs her as proper and developed characters. I'm hoping that we get a spinoff manga that goes into her backstory within the series universe, and shows her development from Magical Girl there to Magical Woman in Rebellion. I would also argue that Mami is far more developed in the the series compared to Nagisa as well. Mami is characterized by her attempt to appear as the "senior Magical Girl"; to address her loneliness by impressing Madoka and Sayaka. As well, due to this, she acts as an unwitting surrogate for the Incubators, lying for their benefit in tempting Madoka and Sayaka to be Magical Girls. This then ties into Sayaka's own sense of justice and attempting to live up to Mami's "example", which in part leads to her own destruction. As well, Mami serves as a device utilized for what I call "contrast through inversion", wherein a work flips itself from one specific form to another. Within the series, this change is created by Mami's death, to showcase the real reality of Magical Girls and how everything up to that point was essentially a fantasy. Lastly, Mami is also shown to be something of a zealot and mentally weak, crumbling under the truth of what Magical Girls really are, and attempts to kill the remainder of the Quintet. Lord Justice fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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Bebe talks the cheese talk, but is she even seen eating any cheese in the movie? She eats cake and when she transforms she dives in to a blender full of cakes, but where is the cheese??
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.jpg posted:Bebe talks the cheese talk, but is she even seen eating any cheese in the movie? She eats cake and when she transforms she dives in to a blender full of cakes, but where is the cheese??  29:46.
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God drat she really does love cheese!
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Bring me the cheese witch manga!
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