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The Civil War scenario seems really interesting so far. I have to go to bed unfortunately, and only get to play about 10 minutes of it, but, the cool thing to me is, that the game starts centered on Fort Monroe if you play the Union. I live within walking distance of the Fort, and the game is close enough scale that I can see where my house would be, and the little peninsula I live on. The units for the scenario all, primea facea, seem to be balanced against each other as well. Only time will tell. Also does a cool thing where they introduce manpower as a limited resource, a la paradox world conquest games.
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Rascyc posted:Unsurprisingly they closed off the instant selling of luxuries and embassies to the AI for easy gold in the early game. They all now require declaration of friendship for lump sum trades. You can do gold per turn without them but everyone makes zero money at the start so that's non-ideal. Kind of a interesting way of addressing that AI loop hole in the early game. I'm curious to see what viable deity strategies arise when changes like this have been made. I can't imagine getting a strong enough early game rolling without some AI abuse.
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Alkydere posted:Normally, I'd say on the hill for the production bonus and such. In fact I'm still tempted. Yet at the same time, with that perfect ring of 5 floodplain wheat and 1 sheep with a blank spot in the middle it's hard to resist filling up the empty floodplain. With all the fog still around it's hard to be sure where the best spot is, but settling in that empty patch is perfect access to all the visible resources. If you settle on the hill, that's going to push a lot of it further out and bottleneck your growth according to how fast your borders can expand. Settling on the flood plain also allows three pastures instead of two, which makes Stables more attractive as an investment (plus the +1 food at Fertilizers, IIRC). The usual question of short-term gains versus long-term benefits. Unless you're worried about early rushes (i.e. you're on a high difficulty level), I'd say go with the flood plain. With the way the rivers and hills are laid out, you have a very defensible area with a standard archer army.
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I don't really care much about having to wait a while for my key from GMG but it makes me wonder what the hell is the point in pre-ordering if you don't get the game as soon as it is released. I was under the impression that getting it the moment it was released is THE point of pre-ordering.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:05
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Wait does Brave New World have the Wonders of the Ancient World DLC in it? It's on my DLC menu in-game but I don't have it on my Steam account.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:05
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It does, because Statue of Zeus is the Wonder for the Honor tree.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:06
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Playing as Venice, I just realized that the Merchant of Venice buys city states with his own gold. You don't pay anything. This is amazing.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:07
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jtm33 posted:I don't really care much about having to wait a while for my key from GMG but it makes me wonder what the hell is the point in pre-ordering if you don't get the game as soon as it is released. I was under the impression that getting it the moment it was released is THE point of pre-ordering. Getting the game at 2/3rds price? 
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jtm33 posted:I don't really care much about having to wait a while for my key from GMG but it makes me wonder what the hell is the point in pre-ordering if you don't get the game as soon as it is released. I was under the impression that getting it the moment it was released is THE point of pre-ordering. Well in my case I got it for $20 rather than paying $30 at release, that was my primary motivation. GMG promos and whatnot.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:08
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Bashez posted:This was known. The Pathfinder is incredible. Sadly it doesn't appear you can use them to upgrade the composite bowmen - when I moved an upgraded unit onto a ruin and choose that the unit remained a cb.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:09
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Triskelli posted:First, it looks like you need to build a caravan unit. It should be an option alongside warriors and such. Then you click on the caravan and a menu with destination cities shows up? I don't have my copy of the game yet. (Preordered a physical copy, waiting for it to be delivered. Last time I ever do that) There is something else to it. I can send the unit to another city state but not to my French neighbors.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:10
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I'm waiting on my key so I haven't played but do you need open borders? I imagine the unit can't go there unless you do.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:11
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RagnarokAngel posted:It does, because Statue of Zeus is the Wonder for the Honor tree. Sweet. Holy crap I picked Shoshone at random from the new civs and the unique unit type is exaaaactly my playstyle. Drool.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:11
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isndl posted:Getting the game at 2/3rds price? I got mine on GMG for $22 so less than half price, but yeah. I guess they might be going with the UK release to send the keys, which is in 3 days I think.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:12
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Why the gently caress is this game installing DirectX 9? I haven't used DX9 in... years.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:12
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Apparently you now need to have a Declaration of Friendship in order to trade gold. May have to rethink the strategy of luxury selling.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:14
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Brannock posted:Why the gently caress is this game installing DirectX 9? I haven't used DX9 in... years. Civ 5 has a DX9 mode.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:14
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Steam has to attempt to install all relevant DX versions. It's why you can install a game from 10 years ago and still have to wait for it.
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jtm33 posted:I don't really care much about having to wait a while for my key from GMG but it makes me wonder what the hell is the point in pre-ordering if you don't get the game as soon as it is released. I was under the impression that getting it the moment it was released is THE point of pre-ordering. I agree. It's also weird to see people here (and the other forums) sticking up for businesses/corporations instead of other people and customers like themselves. People on those forums are upset and annoyed and are just letting out their frustration. No wonder America made Corporations "people".
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Jul 9, 2013 06:15
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Add to the OP: If you're starting BNW for the first time and the DLC assets won't load with Civ V or activate from the mod list, simply restart steam.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:16
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Necroneocon posted:I agree. It's also weird to see people here (and the other forums) sticking up for businesses/corporations instead of other people and customers like themselves. People on those forums are upset and annoyed and are just letting out their frustration. I'm not really gonna go into the massive logical leap you took there, but basically saying "Hey waiting 6 hours or so to get your game really isn't a big deal" isn't anywhere near saying "Corporations are people, my friends, and shame on you for speaking against glorious Corporation. Ich liebe Capitalism"
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Jul 9, 2013 06:19
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Necroneocon posted:I agree. It's also weird to see people here (and the other forums) sticking up for businesses/corporations instead of other people and customers like themselves. People on those forums are upset and annoyed and are just letting out their frustration. Well GMG is a British company so I dunno, would it still be a person? It's what, super early there right now? Give it a few hours.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:19
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Soylent Pudding posted:Apparently you now need to have a Declaration of Friendship in order to trade gold. May have to rethink the strategy of luxury selling. That's a pretty huge change. Can you still get gold from peace treaties?
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Jul 9, 2013 06:20
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schizopol posted:Add to the OP: If you're starting BNW for the first time and the DLC assets won't load with Civ V or activate from the mod list, simply restart steam. This is an issue universal to all steam games I don't think it's really relevant here. Necroneocon posted:I agree. It's also weird to see people here (and the other forums) sticking up for businesses/corporations instead of other people and customers like themselves. People on those forums are upset and annoyed and are just letting out their frustration. Green Man Gaming is a UK corporation for one thing, second they promised nothing more than to get it to you on the release day. In that respect they've so far not failed to fulfill that.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:21
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Terracota Army: Creates a duplicate of every military land type unit you have and places them next to the city you built the wonder. Yep.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:22
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dreffen posted:Well GMG is a British company so I dunno, would it still be a person? 6am. Of course if they have to go to their offices to manually start sending the keys then it is completely understandable. I just thought it might be automatic.
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I would still love to read GMG privileged forum posts snippets here while I wait.
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Necroneocon posted:I agree. It's also weird to see people here (and the other forums) sticking up for businesses/corporations instead of other people and customers like themselves. People on those forums are upset and annoyed and are just letting out their frustration. It's just really awkward to see that much hate and bile being slung around for a key being a few hours late.
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Jul 9, 2013 06:23
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Okimin posted:There is something else to it. I can send the unit to another city state but not to my French neighbors. They have pretty small range at the start, you'll probably need to send it to a city state.
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Pancakes by Mail posted:I'm not really gonna go into the massive logical leap you took there, but basically saying "Hey waiting 6 hours or so to get your game really isn't a big deal" isn't anywhere near saying "Corporations are people, my friends, and shame on you for speaking against glorious Corporation. Ich liebe Capitalism" It's not a logic leap and I don't really care when I get my key personally as i'm doing work, but you took a huge leap yourself when you made that post. All i'm saying is people make fun of annoyed customers all the time but never the businesses or corporations, nor do they blame them. In a normal world people would be saying GMG, Amazon and Gamersgate are pretty lame for not sending the keys on time but no one is saying that. It's just "lol look at these posts on these forums."jivjov posted:It's just really awkward to see that much hate and bile being slung around for a key being a few hours late. Hate and bile are regular things on the internet. Anonymity is a hell of a thing. I'd say the internet is made up of 50% hate and bile and 50% pornography.
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Bashez posted:I don't think they really nerfed Petra. I thought it just lost the gold which still makes it ridiculous. That's also not a very good petra place, too many floodplains. It was known that they would upgrade directly to CB instead of archers like normal scouts?
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Rascyc posted:Terracota Army: Creates a duplicate of every military land type unit you have and places them next to the city you built the wonder. Seriously? That's amazing.
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Necroneocon posted:I agree. It's also weird to see people here (and the other forums) sticking up for businesses/corporations instead of other people and customers like themselves. People on those forums are upset and annoyed and are just letting out their frustration. While I'm not happy that I don't have my key immediately, I know better than to blame GMG when it's clearly not their fault. None of the other third-party distributors have keys either, so it's definitely 2K dropping the ball.
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jtm33 posted:6am. Of course if they have to go to their offices to manually start sending the keys then it is completely understandable. I just thought it might be automatic. Maybe it's just a matter of hitting a key at their offices for the automation It sucks. But if I remember right they had the same thing going on for G&K, and BL2 I think. It's just not that big a deal. It's just inconvenient if you want to play  right now
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What's the bet that they don't get keys until the 12th. The page on GMG says the release date is the 12th for some reason.
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thehumandignity posted:It was known that they would upgrade directly to CB instead of archers like normal scouts? Yeah, going to a normal archer would be pretty lovely considering how much combat strength they'd lose.
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GMG's site gives a release date of the 12th, so mystery solved, I guess. Time to play the "pirating software I paid for" game. e: Okay no I'm not, that's too much effort. But I should.
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isndl posted:While I'm not happy that I don't have my key immediately, I know better than to blame GMG when it's clearly not their fault. None of the other third-party distributors have keys either, so it's definitely 2K dropping the ball. jtm33 posted:What's the bet that they don't get keys until the 12th. The page on GMG says the release date is the 12th for some reason. Not for the NA page. They even have this banner.  I have no idea why this game in particular is making people go chicken little. It's been an hour and a half since it turned midnight Eastern time.
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jtm33 posted:What's the bet that they don't get keys until the 12th. The page on GMG says the release date is the 12th for some reason. It says the 12th because that's the international release date, and GMG is in the UK thehumandignity posted:GMG's site gives a release date of the 12th, so mystery solved, I guess. Time to play the "pirating software I paid for" game. Boy I bet that makes it okay to do! e: RagnarokAngel did it better
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Ulvirich posted:Seriously? That's amazing. Of course I have like -9 GPT now. :V But then I made a +10 GPT (or it's pseudo GPT) trade route so that's that! Sea routes seem much more profitable than land based caravans at the start. Maybe roads fixes that.
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