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Wow, Travyon is dead and George Zimmerman gets to go back to posting on reddit. There's no justice in Florida.
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The Bible posted:Gun nuts are truly terrifying people. Any slight against them is deserving of death in their eyes. Thats a bit of a brash generalization, I own a gun, and I believe in my second amendment rights. I also believe that I have the right to defend myself if someone attacks me and makes me fear for my life by striking my head against the curb several times. Self defense only really requires that you act out of a fear for your life.
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Miami-Dade police scanners are lighting up. I dont know if this is normal traffic but drat.
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Guilty, or Not-Guilty, the biggest issue here is the law itself, not this one case in particular. SYG gives wannabe tough-guys license to instigate confrontations and then shoot people when they get in over their head. It's a terribly lovely law that needs to go ASAP, and hopefully this case is the catalyst
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Jul 14, 2013 06:17
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CainFortea posted:You mean the dead child who assaulted someone? Why did he assault him?
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Jul 14, 2013 06:17
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whatis posted:Guilty, or Not-Guilty, the biggest issue here is the law itself, not this one case in particular. SYG had literally nothing to do with this case.
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fursmbrero posted:Remind me again, who had the gun and who had the pack of skittles? Remind me who slammed someones head into the ground.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:17
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:I'd forgotten that every fist fight is automatically to the death. Trayvon "Incredible Hulk" Martin would have been forced to beat a grown man to death with his bare hands to appease Odin or something. As a grown, reasonably built man in his late 20s, Zimmerman was clearly as defenceless as a crippled kitten. It's not like he could have taken a bit of an rear end-whupping like a man and not murdered a kid. Dude didn't need to take an rear end beating, but he also didn't need to loving shoot a kid to death. You can drat well bet I'm going off emotion and not logic on this case, but that 911 call where Martin is screaming out for help is about like watching that video where the kids stab a homeless man to death with a screwdriver. It's chilling and terrible and you don't want Zimmerman to get off scott free.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:18
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ClemenSalad posted:SYG had literally nothing to do with this case. Were you even following the live twitter updates from inside the court???
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Jul 14, 2013 06:18
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:No I'm suggesting that the news at least pretend to maybe sort of care about black-on-black murder. Hey look at that. We agree on something. Now if folks like Jackson and Sharpton would do the same...
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Jul 14, 2013 06:18
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whatis posted:Guilty, or Not-Guilty, the biggest issue here is the law itself, not this one case in particular. More states will pass SYG laws.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:18
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The Bible posted:Why did he assault him? Why does he have a record of fights at school?
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Jul 14, 2013 06:18
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gobbles posted:Were you even following the live twitter updates from inside the court??? I've been following this case since the trial started, this is a vanilla self defense case.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:19
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Fog Tripper posted:IIRC the neighborhood had a rash of burglaries, and someone out of the ordinary is going to be noticeable. This is absurd and I think goes back to the GATED COMMUNITY non-sense, it was a dense large townhouse neighborhood with many renters. I've lived in my house for 7 years and recently ran into a couple in a building meeting that have been my neighbors for the entire time that I have never had never seen before and I am not any sort of shut in. Zimmerman had no authority and no reason to be able to judge if someone he hadn't seen before had legitimate reason to be in the neighborhood or not, if he was concerned he should have called the police, period. But considering that the kid had completely legitimate reasons for being in the neighborhood he should have just minded his own loving business and not called the police unless maybe he saw the kid crawling out of a broken window with a TV or something.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:19
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The Worst Unicorn posted:Was he supposed to control the weather or change his route after using esp to know which houses had been burgled? As for looking high, what does that mean even? At the end of the day, even if he was being followed by Zimmerman, Martin had no place assaulting him, as it seems every witnesses testified is what happened in the end. He had many other avenues, but sadly chose one that ended up being deadly for him. It's sad that a 17 year old man died. It really is. However, based on all the evidence we've seen justice was served. Zimmerman's defense certainly passed the threshold for reasonable doubt.
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This is real cute. Did you make this yourself?
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:I'd forgotten that every fist fight is automatically to the death. Trayvon "Incredible Hulk" Martin would have been forced to beat Zimmerman to death with his bare hands to appease Odin or something. As a grown, reasonably built man in his late 20s, Zimmerman was clearly as defenceless as a crippled kitten. It's not like he could have taken a bit of an rear end-whupping like a man and not murdered a kid. Yes you're absolutely right, Martin was entitled to at least three more head smashes of Zimmerman before it leveled up from a bit of an rear end-whipping into a more serious "I might die" battle. Poor form.
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For anyone wondering if the shooter does NOT use deadly force and is NOT white: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/ quote:CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:I'd forgotten that every fist fight is automatically to the death. Trayvon "Incredible Hulk" Martin would have been forced to beat Zimmerman to death with his bare hands to appease Odin or something. As a grown, reasonably built man in his late 20s, Zimmerman was clearly as defenceless as a crippled kitten. It's not like he could have taken a bit of an rear end-whupping like a man and not murdered a kid. This is just the top search for "fistfight ends in death". http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/05/04/fistfight-death.html Here's a newsflash for you folks who've never actually been in danger a single moment of your lives, even just a bit of punching can kill someone you don't have to be the "Incredible Hulk" for it to happen!
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spunkshui posted:Why does he have a record of fights at school? Is this why Zimmerman started following him?
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spunkshui posted:Why does he have a record of fights at school? Well, I ask because if I had some guy stalking me down the street at night, I might feel a little bit threatened too. Was it ok for Zimmerman to act in self defense and not Martin? Why?
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Jul 14, 2013 06:20
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whatis posted:Guilty, or Not-Guilty, the biggest issue here is the law itself, not this one case in particular. Do you even know how SYG laws work?
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Jul 14, 2013 06:20
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oldskool posted:Yes you're absolutely right, Martin was entitled to at least three more head smashes of Zimmerman before it leveled up from a bit of an rear end-whipping into a more serious "I might die" battle. Poor form. Zimmerman could have obeyed the police advice and not followed Martin. I'm hosed if I disobey a police order and refuse to give them my license at a traffic check, but if I refuse orders and shoot someone to death then apparently I'm a-okay.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:20
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Three Olives posted:This is absurd and I think goes back to the GATED COMMUNITY non-sense, it was a dense large townhouse neighborhood with many renters. I've lived in my house for 7 years and recently ran into a couple in a building meeting that have been my neighbors for the entire time that I have never had never seen before and I am not any sort of shut in. Hes a neighborhood watchman, it was his business. And he called the police 3 times that evening.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:20
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Beyond a reasonable doubt is the key phrase here. It is also the core tenet of our justice system. In order to incarcerate someone for a crime, you must prove beyond ALL reasonable doubt that they did commit said crime. If you honestly believe that the prosecution did that in this case, then you should probably take your SJW blinders off and review the case without bias. "But he was just a kid!" He was 17 and larger than Zimmerman. "He was unarmed!" Repeatedly bashing someone's head into a concrete sidewalk constitutes lethal force. "He had SKITTLES!" Yeah, not at all relevant to anything.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:20
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randyest posted:Awesome! A real live psychic fortune teller with a two-way crystal ball, right here in this thread! Shut up about the justice that just got served and tell us the lottery numbers!
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Jul 14, 2013 06:21
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Vahakyla posted:For anyone wondering if the shooter does NOT use deadly force and is NOT white: No but seriously why does Florida still exist
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Jul 14, 2013 06:21
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Twee as gently caress posted:At the end of the day, even if he was being followed by Zimmerman, Martin had no place assaulting him, as it seems every witnesses testified is what happened in the end. Its funny how you use "witnesses" when there was one: Zimmerman.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:21
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CainFortea posted:This is just the top search for "fistfight ends in death". I hear that not stalking people is a good way to avoid getting your rear end beat.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:21
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Zanziabar posted:Amazingly, not every assault needs to end with someone being shot. This might be a hard concept to grasp for Ameri-goons. Amazingly, nobody was suggesting that. Well the result had he been unarmed may have been a dead hispanic, that would have been a better outcome for you?
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Jul 14, 2013 06:22
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The Bible posted:That's not necessarily a contradiction. Personally, I carry a gun because I can. Same reason I hook my keys on my belt loop instead of in a pocket and why my wallet is in a side pocket rather than the back. Same reason I wear an old tropical/desert cap rather than a baseball cap or ride a moped instead of a car. Because I can. Sorry humans aren't made in molds
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Jul 14, 2013 06:22
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ClemenSalad posted:Hes a neighborhood watchman, it was his business. And he called the police 3 times that evening. Neighborhood Watch is all about calling the police and not getting involved. That's why it's neighborhood watch and not neighborhood police. This whole thing could easily be viewed as Martin standing his own ground since some weird guy was stalking him while he was lost.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:22
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Wow there are a lot of guilty white people posting in this thread. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 14, 2013 06:22
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Blast of Confetti posted:Zimmerman could have followed the police advice and not followed Martin. I'm hosed if I disobey a police order and refuse to give them my license at a traffic check, but if I refuse orders and shoot someone to death then apparently I'm a-okay. Dispatcher suggestions are not orders and no one is under any obligation to follow them. Zimmerman did nothing illegal in calling the plice and following his general direction 20 seconds from his truck after he lost him. Martin literally doubled back 4 minutes later (after he got home ) and confronted him.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:22
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Slugnoid posted:Wow there are a lot of guilty white people posting in this thread.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:22
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Marijuana+Skittles Makes You Violent, regardless of race
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Jul 14, 2013 06:23
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CainFortea posted:Nope, just the assaults where the assaulted feels like their life is in danger and they're in a position to do something about it. Indeed, much like Zimmerman was in a position to do something about all these burglaries that had been taking place in his gated community. So his response is to go grab his gun, head out onto the streets and stop another burglary from happening again. The one problem with this bulldog attitude is the loss of an unarmed teenager's life who funnily enough, could have been acting in self-defense against a man with a gun.
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Jul 14, 2013 06:23
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If I learned anything about anything from this whole case, it is that if you are a DA in Florida, it means you are loving terrible at your job, that's why you're a DA in Florida.
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gobbles posted:Marijuana+Skittles Makes You Violent, regardless of race Fuckin purple drankin monsters.
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