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Get the gently caress out...and hopefully not pay a lot for it. Welcome to the Finding Cheap Airfare thread wherein myself and others knowledgeable on the topic will help you find decent airfare prices, or at least explain why none exist. It's based on and continues discussion started in this thread. Summer 2022 Update: Removed all the previous poo poo as it is now mostly unhelpful. Travel is, more or less, back. Except that airlines can't operate their full schedules because of staffing shortages so planes are full and prices are high. Good times all around. Original Possibly Helpful poo poo: There's a bunch of crap below relating to how and why fares price the way they do, but if you're interested in some help finding out if a lower fare is available for your trip, here are the minimum details that are required to answer your post:
Next up: tools of the trade. There are tons of places to search for airfare on the Internet, but this is what works for me:
For starters, it's helpful to understand the difference between marketing and reality. There are a lot of sites out there that talk about the best travel deal or last minute discounts or other things that sound awesome. This is marketing, and a lot of it is bullshit. While there are occasions to acquire cheap hotel rooms on a last minute basis, this is quite often a myth for airfare. Reality is that there are fare rules, routing rules, inventory management, and pricing structures in place which are based on highly sophisticated data models built by teams of evil druids that comprise the Revenue Management department of an airline. These components are increasingly being augmented by machine learning based on the vast amounts of data that airlines have and are beginning to aggressively monetize by changing prices frequently to maximize fare yields. No mere mortal understands the dark arts of Revenue Management. Additionally, the price of a particular flight depends on a great number of factors, including but not limited to:
To further illustrate the point, if you take the Chicago to Miami example and make it Nashville to Miami, you'll find a completely different pricing structure because it's a completely different market. It is entirely possible that Nashville to Miami is quite a bit more expensive than Chicago to Miami even though starting in Nashville is a much shorter flight than starting in Chicago. Supply and demand economics come into play, where Chicago is a much larger market than Nashville, and it has a lot more "lift" (number of seats available in a given market on a given day) than Nashville does. As a public service announcement, don't go to Miami. It is a lovely place.  Building upon those topics, we find the crux of the issue: airlines are constantly reviewing and adjusting prices to maximize revenue. In recent years (since this post was originally made) access to data analysis and modeling has been democratized to a large degree, enabling airlines to begin to capitalize on the data they have to update fares on a regular basis. Before the advent of advanced analytics and modeling, fares updated, on average, four times per day. Because of the automation available to modern businesses, this can happen much more frequently. As a result, market changes happen regularly and vary widely. This means that it is nigh on impossible to predict what's going to happen. Historical trends are not a safe indicator of future performance. There's a lot more to it than this, but this is a good place to start. In addition to fare pricing, there are many more topics concerning airfare that are up for discussion: best aircraft, in flight entertainment, food, seats, loyalty programs, award/mileage redemption, etc. If you're interested in more of the gory details on any of those topics, feel free to ask and I'll go into it further (insofar as I actually know what's happening). I suppose a disclaimer is warranted here: I am not a travel oracle. I am not an expert and have no formal training; I like to travel and am not independently wealthy, so I made it my business to learn how airlines work in order to find low fares (and seats I fit in) whenever possible. I'm happy to share where I can, and we can discuss "travel hacking" as well, though most of that is exceedingly difficult unless you're doing some crazy (or fraudulent) stuff these days. I'll likely update this post as time goes on when I remember important things that I've forgotten. And this time I mean it.  Ready...go. 
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Beef Of Ages fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Aug 27, 2013 |
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McPhock posted:Hi! I'm looking forward to understanding more about this concept of 'cheap airfare'. Not only is it practical, but it's interesting as hell. $291 on US, 8/12-15. Times are decent, layover in CLT both ways. $130 per person may or may not be worth a day less in Vegas, though I'm the wrong person to make that value judgement as I don't particularly care for Vegas, heh.
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WaryWarren posted:I'm looking to purchase a seat on a one-way flight into Italy, with the origin being Chicago and the desired destination either being Milan or Roma. I need to enter the EU in Italy, as I will have an Italian National visa as opposed to a Schengen one. I have a $1500 credit from AA that I would like to use since it expires in January. I have checked AA.com, Hipmunk and the ITA Matrix sites. When I enter my requirements below, I get a ridiculously high fare from all three sites. Flying AA from ORD to JFK and then on to MXP is ~$2500, while ORD to FCO direct is also ~$2500. I realize that it is now only 5 weeks away from my ideal departure date and I may have to pay a fortune. I'm headed out the door so I'll provide more detail later but essentially it's the one-way international flight that is killing you. One-way international tickets often price out at the full Y (most expensive, least restrictive, fully refundable) fare class, hence the price you're seeing. Moreover, you may have issues with them letting you in the country if you don't show a method of egress from the EU. More to come later tonight or tomorrow.
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DontAskKant posted:Ok, SE Asia is too expensive for the days that I want. So, I starting looking elsewhere. Mongolia is always around $700 so I might as well go now when the other options are out of the range of what I want to pay. Yeah, I see $640USD on KE for ICN-ULN. Stops are more expensive. Alternatively, SkyScanner has fares into Vietnam for $773, so not that much more.
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Uziel posted:We are looking at NYC for our 10th anniversary. Yep, $235 on Delta, unlikely to get much cheaper than that.
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Mackieman posted:More to come later tonight or tomorrow. I added this info to FAQ #2 in the second post.
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bam thwok posted:I need help to not make the vacation my friend and I are planning manically expensive before we even set foot at our destinations. KEF is often difficult to do openjaw flights on because IcelandAir doesn't codeshare with many airlines. So what you're seeing is the price of a ticket from IAD to KEF, then a one-way from KEF-LIS, and another one-way from LIS-IAD which is often in full Y, thus the insane price (see FAQ#2 above). In fact, the cheapest fares I'm seeing are actually in business class (Z fare) since Z is cheaper than full Y in this particular case. Since you're not loyal to a particular airline, IcelandAir offers stopover trips that will work well for what you're looking at. You can fly IAD-KEF//KEF-AMS, and then AMS-KEF-IAD on 8/24-9/1 for $1580 per person. They don't fly to LIS so that's not really an option. Besides, AMS is fun for a couple of enterprising dudes to shuffle around Europe for a couple days. $1580 isn't cheap, but it's not $2800 per person, either. IcelandAir isn't terribly comfortable in coach and there are extra fees for some stuff, but it shouldn't be a big deal. Beef Of Ages fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Jul 22, 2013 22:12
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FISHMANPET posted:Is there a search engine that will let me search for flights that return before a specific time? To be specific, I'm looking at a round trip between BWI and MSP leaving the 23rd of August and returning on the 27th. The flight needs to land in BWI before 9 AM, otherwise the departure will need to be on the 26th. But I can't find a way to put that criteria in on any search engines. I can generally say "I want to depart after this time" but not "I want to depart before this time." Kayak, Hipmunk, and ITA all let you sort by departure time. The key is to remember to do it after the search results return instead of trying to do it before the search occurs. This is helpful in the case where you may have some level of flexibility and a flight at a different but close to your original time is significantly cheaper. If you exclude those results from the search, you'd never know about it.
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WaryWarren posted:Belated thanks to Blut and Mackieman. I ended up booking a round trip flight with the intention of not boarding the return flight. I also do not need to prove egress from the Schengen area with my Italian National Visa (you are allowed up to 90 days of travel within the Schengen area which I plan to use when I leave Italy). Glad you got something that works for you. 
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reflex posted:I have a general airfare question: is it generally cheaper to book far in advance (6 months+) or wait, wait, wait and hope to snag some kind of seat sale? I've only started travelling this summer and am starting to look to 2014. Flying out of YEG to international destinations. It's a pretty safe assumption to say I'd be going anywhere for a major festival/tourist season (Ireland for St. Paddy's Day, Spain for The Running of the Bulls, etc.). The answer to your question is: yes.  When you've got a trip scoped out, start watching fares. There are several tools online that will alert you based on inventory, and you can view prices after that. It's much easier to search this way than, "I want a cheap ticket anywhere." Know what you want to do and start looking. International flights, traditionally, get cheaper after Labor Day in the US, but it might work a little different for you folks in the Northern Cyborg Republic. I've booked stuff six and nine months in advance, and I've booked stuff a month out. It depends on you: if you find a fare you're willing to pay for a trip, jump on it. It may go down, but it might just as easily go up. No mere mortal knows the ways of the dark art of revenue management.
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Super Delegate posted:I'm trying to book a Eurotrip. If you're willing to head out to EWR (which is not difficult via Penn Station to get to unless you actually live near JFK), you can do EWR-ZRH-PRG//PRG-DUS-FCO//FCO-EWR for $1391.30. First segment is on Swiss, middle is on Lufthansa, and the last one is on United. United should be able to sell that to you, though it may require multi-segment pricing. If United shits out on the itinerary, hipmunk will put it together and you could try booking from there. HookShot posted:On ITA Matrix, you can go JFK-KEF, then KEF to PRG, then FCO to KEF and finally KEF to JFK for just over $2000 (there's a couple stopovers in Copenhagen). You would have to buy your BUD to FCO ticket separately, but it's not a bad price if you don't mind doing the one extra leg in Iceland and having basically an extra day there. Not having to stop in KEF or CPH (holy rear end that place is expensive) for less seems better to me. Always remember to check nearby airports (like EWR and JFK for New York) as it often leads to lower fares.
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Vernacular posted:Planning a trip from Seoul to Taipei with 1 friend (doesn't matter which airports). We'd like to leave on Wednesday, September 18th and return on Sunday, September 22nd. We're willing to leave a day later or return a day earlier, but not both (a 3 night trip is ideal). Thanks! Well, the cheapest option is likely not the most ideal in this case. $366USD for GMP-TPE (or TSA), but both require a 13+ hour overnight layover in SHA; I believe there are visa implications there and I don't know that an overnight in Shanghai is your idea of a good time. Given that, the next best option is $398USD leaving on 8/19 and returning 9/22. All on China Eastern, ICN-PVG-TPE//TSA-SHA-GMP.
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Grouco posted:I'm looking for a one-way flight from Glasgow (GLA) to Calgary (YYC) on September 4th. So far I've only come across Air Transat as the cheapest. Any suggestions? Do you have any flexibility? On September 5 I see AirTransat at $1075USD, but you can do IcelandAir for $842USD (two stops, KEF and YHZ, transfering to WestJet). If you must travel on the 4th, then yeah, not a ton of options as they're only offering full Y or B (one fare class down from Y) for the TATL (trans-atlantic) leg. See FAQ #2 for more on that.
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Grouco posted:Yea, I see that on the 5th. I've never had to book through a travel agent before, do I just take them the fare construction info? You can, but Orbitz is pricing it out as well. No reason not to book there. I'm surprised Hipmunk didn't see it, but such is life. Edit: Oh poo poo, I just noticed that the plane change in Halifax is actually an overnight. If that doesn't work for you, $905 for an Aer Lingus flight that connects in DUB and ORD, over to United for the run up to YYC, $905. Hipmunk can book that one. If you do that, immigration is not so bad because you clear customs and immigration in Dublin on the way out, so the flight arrives at ORD as a domestic flight. Much easier to connect. Beef Of Ages fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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Blut posted:The Dublin U.S. customs service is fantastic - I'd always advise everyone its worth paying $20-50 to clear it there as opposed to ORD or JFK or anywhere else actually in the U.S. You'll be far less tired queuing before your transatlantic flight rather than after, plus the que will be a lot smaller than at a major U.S. airport, plus it will move a lot faster because nearly everyone there will be an E.U. citizen (ie less likely to illegally stay in the U.S.) so subject to less intensive questioning. Aye, I've done it in Shannon and it was great, though the extra security screening where we had to take off our shoes was  . I had Global Entry but one kiosk was down so it actually took longer for my wife and I to use Global Entry than it did for two of our friends to go through the regular immigration process. Still, such a breeze, I wish more places in Europe did it.
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Coonskin_Cap posted:I'm currently going through booking my first flight and I'm looking to do it on the cheap. Using the IATA codes isn't required; it's just something I do often without thinking so I wanted everyone to know what they were. AirTransat does appear to be cheapest on 8/24 at 501GBP/$769USD. It's a crappy coach experience but there's a reason they're the cheapest. YVR is the only airport in Vancouver; YYZ is in Toronto which is the other side of Canada. The next cheapest option involves Heathrow, a plane change in Frankfurt and Seattle, and a bunch more time. It really depends on what is most important to you, time or cost. There are busses that go between LHR and LGW so you don't have to do the London shuffle (Gatwick Express to Victoria Station, Tube to Paddington, and then Tube or Heathrow Connect/Express to Heathrow). As far as booking is concerned, any of the above are going to work ok. You don't really have a booking choice if you choose one of the itineraries that has multiple carriers that don't interline on it.
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KirbyKhan posted:Thanks thread. The OP helped me find a roundtrip from SLC to NYC for only 336$ in early november. When I looked earlier with Shatner Search, I was quoted 400$ for just a one way.  If you want to post more specific dates and durations, I'll see if I can't better that fare, though it seems like the going rate for an almost transcon like that.
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Mister Adequate posted:Hang on, so if you're flying out of Dublin or Shannon to the US, you can go through US immigration before even taking off? That seems immensely more sensible than the usual system for any number of reasons. Do you know if any airports on Great Britain do that? I'm looking to fly out to Bozeman in a couple of months and between my regular anxiety issues and the added massive stress of a day-long intercontinental coach travel (when you're over 6 feet tall no less) I tend to get worked up going through immigration, which has led to a couple of highly unenjoyable extra scrutiny episodes. Indeed, it's rather nice. As noted, there are no airports outside of Ireland or Canada that offer the service, unfortunately. But I think the real issue here is your anxiety; is that something specific to air travel or do you deal with that in general? In some cases, becoming educated as to what is happening and why often helps to alleviate some of the stress people feel in relation to air travel (loss of control, large crowds, etc). If you have specific things that cause you to worry, I'm happy to explain them in some detail so that you can know what's going to happen, why something is happening, and/or develop better coping strategies. I'm not a psychologist or anything, but I've known some people that were simply terrified of flying and arming them with information went a long way to making a terrible experience something closer to tolerable. And you can do specific searches with Matrix wherein you specify a connecting point like DUB or SNN. EI has started interlining with UA so DUB is probably an option, cost notwithstanding.
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bam thwok posted:So this just happened: Yeah, it's not new. It's based on a lot of the same data as Matrix, since Google bought ITA a while back.
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xcdude24 posted:What can you guys tell me about short (<1hr) layovers on international flights? One of the flights I'm looking at (SFO-TPE-BKK) has a 45 minute layover. Is that cutting it too close? The carrier is EVA Air. I'd consider that pretty close. Transferring BR to BR at TPE shouldn't be that difficult, but if the weather is lovely at SFO, you could get delayed and that gives you almost no window to recover. I'd find something slightly longer if available.
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Christ Pseudoscientist posted:I'm trying to fly out of LAX or one of the other local airports in Southern California on December 19th to Hawaii and come back anytime between the 27th and 29th. The cheapest tickets I can find are $800 on the Matrix website. Does that sound about right for the best I can do around that time period? Christmas is a very popular time to go to Hawaii, especially out of SoCal. That said, if you drive down to SAN, you can get to HNL for $661 on your dates.
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xcdude24 posted:Is flying ANA worth an extra $200 compared to flying on Delta? From where? And in coach? The answer is probably not, but it depends very much on route and equipment used.
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xcdude24 posted:Coach (maybe premium economy); SFO-SIN/BKK-SFO. Out of SFO, is there a particular reason you're not looking at Singapore or Eva? Neither will require you to transit NRT and Eva's premium economy is pretty good. TPE is an easier transit than NRT in some cases, I'm told. I haven't personally done it but know people that have.
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xcdude24 posted:Delta and ANA/United were the cheapest flights for my dates (outbound the week of October 13; inbound December 22-24). I've transited at NRT and it wasn't too bad. It seems like they keep all of one carrier's flight in and around the same area. Ah, ok, I see. Given that, I'd do United through HKG on the way out and you're forced to NRT when leaving BKK on the return. Economy Plus is pretty much just as good if not better than Economy Comfort on Delta, and even with your credit, you're not saving a ton over United in this particular case.
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Zo posted:What's with Kayak finding cheap flights then having them instantly be "sold out" when you go to the carrier site? Then I go back to Kayak and it's magically gone too. Several flights, within the span of minutes. I don't see anything cheaper than $1244USD per person. If you leave out of NRT you can drop that to $1000 or so, but then you have to position to NRT which likely eats any savings, if not more.
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Zo posted:Ah I didn't think about looking at NRT. It's actually really cheap and convenience to get there. Really? Well then go for it, it's almost always going to be the cheapest place to fly from in Japan.
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Gold and a Pager posted:I bought a ticket to go home over Christmas on Monday and when I checked again today, the same flight was $50 cheaper. Is there any chance that Delta will credit me the difference? Nein. That's the gamble you take and it sucks when you come out on the short end, but if you tried to get the lower fare, they'll require you to pay the change fee, which is usually $200 for domestic coach tickets these days, thus making the entire proposition dumb. The only possible way this would work is if you were within 24 hours of when you booked the ticket. You can cancel for no fee at that point and simply rebook at the lower price. I've done this a couple of times over the years, but it's fairly rare. Outside of that 24 hour window, you're SOL.
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Kat Delacour posted:Hello! I hope this is an appropriate place to ask a question about carry-on baggage allowances. It is quite appropriate. United, like most US-based carriers, does not have a weight limit for carry-on bags, only size limits. The carry on weight limit is a rule almost exclusively imposed by international carriers, especially those of European origin. I've had some heavy-rear end carry on bags in my time and as long as they'll fit in the overhead, you won't get any grief. Your friend who was a travel agent is getting her policies and airlines confused.
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Rafzakael posted:Hi! Wasn't sure if this was the place to ask, but it is, so here we go: It is absolutely the correct place to ask. You're right in that tickets to KIX out of DTW are hovering in the $1500 to $1700 range. Flights to NRT are not much cheaper and then you have to deal with the cost of getting to KIX via another flight or train from there, thus negating any savings. What I would do in your shoes is look at booking two tickets, one to get you to the west coast and then one for the TPAC flights. This does create what is called an unprotected connection, in that you have two separate tickets so the airline doesn't hold responsibility from getting you from start to finish per their Contract of Carriage, but if you book a wide enough connecting window, you'll be fine. Assuming you're interested in going that route, you can do LAX-HND-KIX on the way out and KIX-SFO-LAX on the way back for $902 round trip. You then have to get from DTW (or a nearby airport like FNT) to LAX at a price point that makes it worth it to go this route. Currently I see FNT-ORD-LAX on AA and then LAX-DEN-DTW on F9 (Frontier) for $374, which brings you to a grand total of $1275 for the trip, saving you a couple hundred bucks over the DTW-KIX market fare. The DTW-LAX fares are far more likely to change by a significant amount than DTW-KIX is, so you could ostensibly gamble with the domestic leg and see if the price drops a decent amount to save more while going ahead and securing the $902 TPAC fare immediately. The value of that depends entirely on your risk appetite. Edit: Doh, forgot dates. That was 12/8-12/31. Beef Of Ages fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Sep 14, 2013 |
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Rafzakael posted:Both are pretty depressing. Glad you got something that works.
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sellouts posted:Mackieman I forget if I asked you but do you have any recommendations on travel insurance? I have 2 very complex award tickets coming up and I would like to have it covered in case of any fuckery on the multiple airlines involved and specifically with luggage I don't personally use it but I know people who do; Amex Travel and Travelex both have fairly decent coverage. You should also check to see if the credit card you paid for the tickets with carries any coverage. In all cases, read the fine print so that you know what is and what is not covered and at what point certain coverages kick in. Beef Of Ages fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Sep 18, 2013 |
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SanitysRequiem posted:Ok thanks! Yeah, especially from Halifax. It's always expensive to fly into or out of Halifax.
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rumspringa57 posted:I need to go to Sydney, Australia for a wedding on Jan 2, 2014. I know I dropped the ball by not buying my ticket yet, but I'm hoping you good folks would have some advice. Not really. $2882 is about as good as I see, BWI-CLE//CLE-LAX-SYD//SYD-SFO-DCA on United. These are all W and V fares which are fairly high fare buckets but SYD is not a market where cheap tickets are often had, so I don't know that there's much value in waiting for something lower to come along.
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Tanreall posted:I'm headed down to Playa Del Carmen Nov. 6th through Nov. 10th best airfare I have seen so far is $497. $477 on AA out of LAX requiring you to go to DFW are the best I see right now. poo poo's expensive. 
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philtron posted:I'm trying to book my holiday travels and maybe someone could tell me if I can do better or if I should just book as is. I'm somewhat confused as you noted a desire to visit LJU but your solution has nothing but a change in VCE on the way out and a stopover on the return. Where in this trip do you want to hit LJU and/or VCE? Absent additional details, I see TK flights (plane change in IST both ways) on CDG-YYZ for roughly 684EUR on your dates. You can price separate tickets for LJU and/or VCE to fly upon return from YYZ. Trying to amalgamate fares that way is going to put you into some very expensive fare buckets because the most restrictive fare rules from all of the various components will apply to the entire trip.
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Brennanite posted:What can you tell me about child fares? Do they even exist on US carriers anymore? They do, but they're not often a large savings. What age are you looking at?
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Yeah, upon further research, the very few discounts that exist are for international travel only. There are no discounted fares for domestic US travel for kids. If they're over two, they must have a ticket and their own seat.
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I agree with pretty much everything sellouts said. RTW fares can offer a cost effective (at least when compared with direct/round trip options) way to get to some fairly out of the way places in the world, but the restrictions on them mean you can't do more than one or two in a given trip. The only plausible solution is to open-jaw the hell out of it (must be the same zone) and buy nested tickets to make up the difference. This is a higher overall cost to you but there aren't really a lot of other options if you've got your heart set on that particular itinerary. Also, I highly suggest business class for the RTW segments as that is a shitload of coach flying and you will ruin a great trip with dread of another long flight instead of enjoying where you are.
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sellouts posted:Since you're over the limit of single RTW trip, I would suggest looking at OneWorld as well. They have a similar ticket. Their African options stink but they are strong in SE Asia, Middle East, South Pacific, and South America. And they allow an open jaw at the end of the trip, so you could start in London and end in Bangkok and supplement trips on either side to get the excess mileage you need. OneWorld options to that part of the world are going to get better soon with the full membership addition of Qatar.
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