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Tai Chi Master, AKA the Twin Warriors has most of what you mentioned. Then again that plot is kind of stock standard.
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You can see the difference with Chan compared any of his contempararies, even now. There's always those couple of quick light hits building up to the big moves. There's probably a better term for them than that. Chan and his guys sell the hell out of those punches. There's nothing in his movies that's half assed. Everything has to be perfect. You hear a lot of stories about what a lunatic Chan is on set, what a perfectionist, and you can see that's why his stuff is the way it is. He also understands character and narrative better than anyone else that comes to mind. Just a quick question, is there any particular reason no new, stable stars have emerged out of Hong Kong/China? I may be completely wrong about this, but it seems that all the martial arts stars that are leading men now were already big when I was a kid. Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Donnie Yen. Have there been big stars that just haven't made it to the West? EDIT: I also got reminded by the mention of Heroes of the East how very few Tonfa fight scenes I've seen. The only other one off the top of my head is the first hallway fight in The Raid, which isn't quite the same thing. Any recommendations? Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 03:03 on May 6, 2014 |
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May 6, 2014 02:55
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CloseFriend posted:Louis Koo is the biggest name I can think of. As for why he hasn't broken through in the west, your guess is as good as mine, but he's a giant star in Hong Kong. I've actually seen him in a bunch of stuff, including his Johnnie To films, which were great. I guess I should have specified martial arts stars. In the way bad movie magazine writers put it, is there an inheritor to the Jackie Chan/Jet Li crown?
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May 6, 2014 03:14
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Lobok posted:He's like Tony Jaa all over again. Woah, woah, woah. Let's not say things we can't take back. Tony Jaa was a good athlete and terrible actor who went insane and hung out with Panthers in the middle of directing Ong Bak 2. Every film of his was worse than the one before it. Ong Bak 2 doesn't even have an ending. The Protector 2 somehow manages to make less sense than the first one. Which is impressive. There's a bit in The Protector where they're hiding at a temple. The fat comic relief guy tells Tony they have to leave. They do. They take a short drive, drop some unimportant information, then head back to find the temple on fire (and of course fight some people). It's one of the most inept sequences I've ever seen in a film. Whoever was writing it had seen movies where the hero returns to find his place of refuge in flames, and so put one in his movie, without bothering to set the place up as a refuge in the first place, or give them a decent reason to leave the place or even come back. The whole film is just a collection of stuff that happens. Anyway, I know Uwais and his team have a long way to go, but the improvement they've shown in just three films is pretty drat impressive. I was asking specifically about Chinese/Hong Kong movie stars. I just realised how old all the old guard are getting and was wondering if there were any new stars.
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May 6, 2014 03:43
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Lobok posted:I'm not saying Uwais is Jaa in any way, shape, or form, just that Jaa is a cautionary tale against saying "Lookee here, we've got our new martial arts superstar!" after some early success. Yeah, that's fine. I don't disagree. We should be able to agree, though, that Merantau-Raid-Raid 2 is a much more promising start than Ong Bak-Protector, Ong Bak 2.
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May 7, 2014 00:03
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I think I'm the only person in the world who likes or even remembers Tsui Harks Seven Swords from 2005. While it's got it's flaws there's some gorgeous moments. Double Team also gave us the line "Men are strong, Jack, but Tigers...are stronger"
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May 9, 2014 05:18
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Like Kung Fu Cult Master!! That's the one that doesn't have an ending
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Jun 3, 2014 00:42
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Yeah it does. The Legend of the Condor Heroes TV series. That's not what the word 'ending' means. That's part of the movie's charm. It just stops seemingly in the middle of a scene
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Jun 3, 2014 02:44
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Wheels on Meals has the crazy fight with Urquidez, right? One of the two. They rematch in "Dragons Forever"
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Jun 22, 2014 23:13
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Is Dragons Forever the one where Sammo is special needs? No, that's "Heart of Dragon" Or at least, it was in my local video store. That one ends with Chan fighting through a construction yard
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Jun 23, 2014 00:14
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Angry Lobster posted:I've been on a crazy movie frenzy this last week, I've watched in rapid succession Dragons forever, Police history, Project A and Snake in the eagles shadow, among others. The sequel has a dumb, insanely confusing plot (I've seen it twice and still don't what it's about) but has some of his absolute best stunt sequences.
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Aug 14, 2014 00:07
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fenix down posted:I like new faces as much as anyone, but Protector 3 was such a huge waste of them. Do you mean 2? The dreadful Tony Jaa movie? With RZA as a villain for some inexplicable reason?
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fenix down posted:Correct, my brain got the 3 from Ong-bak 3 apparently. But Protector 2 had Tony Jaa, RZA, and Jeeja Yanin (from Chocolate), it should have been great!! Tony Jaa's career path has been one of the sadder things in the film industry, how he went from such a bright young talent to a burnout so quickly. And we barely got one good movie out of it. (lots of good fights though)
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Mar 29, 2015 04:48
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Samuel Clemens posted:Keep in mind, Jackie Chan was forty when he made Drunken Master 2. Keep in mind that Jackie Chan is pretty much a one of a kind, freak talent both in front of and behind the camera.
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Mar 30, 2015 01:57
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FeastForCows posted:I already posted this in the "Identify a movie for me" thread a couple of weeks ago, but maybe the chances of someone knowing this movie are better in here. I think the Scorpion King (not the one with the Rock) has a similar sequence.
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Mar 30, 2015 21:54
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Luxia Jiang is pretty rad. Those are some loving amazing legs she's got. She needs a better choreographer, but holy crap what an athlete.
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Apr 19, 2015 08:46
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His greatest feat was making Donnie Yen seem kind of likable on the Iron Monkey commentary track.
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Apr 21, 2015 23:10
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Chas McGill posted:Got round to watching Haywire earlier and I definitely agree with some of this. The fight scenes were great but the film felt like a missed opportunity. The plot never really engaged me and none of the big names really justified their inclusion. Carano herself was good, although she was dubbed. A shame, since it really could've been a female Bourne film. It kind of was if they'd been made in the 70s.
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Boinks posted:Young Master is ok. Are you sure you didn't see Young Tiger by mistake? Young Master is a bit better than just okay.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Ip Man is fine, but I didn't love it. I didn't think there was a whole lot of story or imagination to the fights, and it's so self-serious. Sammo Hung's death in the second one is just so hilariously mean spirited it felt like it snuck in from a lifetime movie about cancer.
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Jimbot posted:What's a man without pride? One that leaves his wife a widow and children fatherless. Also probably penniless and homeless since their source of income just stopped. The best part was he still only lost because he had a heart attack in the middle of the fight against a well prepared opponent half his age. They top that in the finale though. Donnie remembers advising him to attack the biceps, and Sammo replying that it wasn't that simple. Then Donnie attacks the biceps and wins almost immediately. Like, not only did lose and die and orphan his children, he also couldn't take correct advice. it's kind of an amazing movie
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Samuel Clemens posted:In addition to everything that's been said, I'd also recommend Police Story 2, Dragons Forever (mostly for that amazing final fight), Project A2, and The Young Master. But it is also very sweet. I've always described Chan movies as like live action Asterix comics in tone, and Miracles illustrates that beautifully.
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Sep 3, 2015 22:30
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Ip Man?! Ong Bak 2's final fight is amazing and really ambitious. The problem is sitting through the rest of the complete loving mess. Those lists tend to be "Here's 10 examples of (genre/style/film nationality) that you've probably heard of, get angry about omissions in the comments section because that poo poo drives our ad revenue." Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I like Ip Man but it definitely drags at times and gets a bit heavier than I usually like my martial arts films.
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Sep 24, 2015 02:20
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RichterIX posted:I vaguely remember reading that there are different cuts of Grandmaster. Is one version better than the others? Are any of the versions good? Everything I've heard about the movie is really mixed. I've met Benny the Jet. He still runs kickboxing seminars. I recommend it as it's the closest you'll get to meeting Yoda.
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Sep 24, 2015 22:39
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Man, Jaa really fell off. He seemed to be the new Jackie Chan, turned out to be much more Michael Dudikoff.
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potatocubed posted:I want to say The Evil Cult (or Kung Fu Cult Master, or one of its other half dozen names) but I'm not certain. That's the one that doesn't have an ending. They run after the main villain the movie just stops. Like they ran out of footage. It owns.
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There was a movie mentioned earlier that I've missed on a re-read, some clip where a bunch of ninjas combine into a giant super ninja. It's not Duel to the Death, that's the reverse. Actually, now I'm not sure if they were ninjas.
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Nov 16, 2015 23:44
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The last thing I remember Yuen Woo Ping directing was "True Legend" which was loving awesome. I'm for this.
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Nov 17, 2015 21:52
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It looks exactly like a kung fu movie. There's a forest, guys in masks. It all checks out. This is probably going to be a kung fu movie. BTW, Holy weapon, goddamn. I'm just 15 minutes in and it's already profoundly insane.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is great and Michelle Yeoh is a treasure. These statements are both true.
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Dec 9, 2015 03:01
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To be fair, Police Story 1 and 2 are, for my money, Chan's best work. They're absolutely loving amazing. That playground fight in 2 should be beamed into space, so aliens know what the score is.
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Dec 28, 2015 19:22
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:But Project A I and II, Drunken Master I and II, Miracles, Young Master...they're so good too. They are. Picking a top 5, or even 10 from Chan is really loving hard. But, for me, Police Story 1 and 2 indicate why he is brilliant and unique.
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Dec 29, 2015 21:37
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LORD OF BUTT posted:loving sold There's a couple of Korean movies with a broadly equitable style, like A Bittersweet Life and A City of Violence.
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The worst thing about CTHD is how the bad guy is built up in hush tones, then just loses a three minute fight and dies. He does nothing scary, he's not a direct, or even indirect threat for 99% of the movie, but we keep getting told he's a badass. Then he shows up and loses.
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Remulak posted:Ha ha, that's funny as hell, I am clearly thinking of a different gag, the Police Story 2 opening scene where they crash downhill through a shantytown. That's the opening of Police Story 1. Police Story 2 is a pretty great film, and contains one of Jackie Chan's best fight scenes (the playground fight) but the shantytown scene is definitely, beyond any doubt, in the first one.
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Halloween Jack posted:I like having my eyes focused totally on the actors, and I've learned to find them awkward pauses and such charming. And number 2, while it's way too loving complicated, still has two scenes that are pretty much pure distilled Chan. They're not necessarily his best work, but they are a perfect encapsulation of what set him apart. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Apr 7, 2017 |
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There's one I've seen, Mantis Boxer or something, that ends mid blow. The hero punches or kicks the villain in half and it ends right there.
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