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Then I guess they have some more complex or specific or culture-bound sexual identity that I dont even know about? What do you see them as? and do you think it's something that the general public would see them as, instead of "somewhat nastily stereotypical man in a dress"
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I always thought of it as a twist on how magical higher beings are usually androgynous and flawless.. so what if they were androgynous by being both overtly manly and womanly? But it does come off like bad drag queens sometimes.
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I vaguely remember the magyspies and I thought they were hairy fairies.
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Thought they were drag queen gypsies and I see no problem in keeping them as is, whatever they might be.
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The tone of the post and the "This has been a long time coming. Are you ready?" content of the gif has me optimistic.
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Tinkeron posted:I always thought of it as a twist on how magical higher beings are usually androgynous and flawless.. so what if they were androgynous by being both overtly manly and womanly? But it does come off like bad drag queens sometimes. It's this iirc.
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PureRok posted:I vaguely remember the magyspies and I thought they were hairy fairies. You were right
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swamp waste posted:Then I guess they have some more complex or specific or culture-bound sexual identity that I dont even know about? What do you see them as? and do you think it's something that the general public would see them as, instead of "somewhat nastily stereotypical man in a dress" They are men, and also women. That's why they have lipstick and a razor.
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They're gonna rejiggle it into an original IP so they can sell it and justify the work they've poured into it over the however many years it's been
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HAT FETISH posted:They're gonna rejiggle it into an original IP so they can sell it and justify the work they've poured into it over the however many years it's been I don't understand why they didn't do that to begin with.
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pyrotek posted:I don't understand why they didn't do that to begin with. No one would know or care about it if it didn't have Mother in the name
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Ballz posted:No one would know or care about it if it didn't have Mother in the name Maybe not. Didn't Undertale start out as an Earthbound romhack?
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Lurdiak posted:They are men, and also women. That's why they have lipstick and a razor. I always figured the razor was for shaving their legs and armpits.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Maybe not. Didn't Undertale start out as an Earthbound romhack? No. The romhacks were just something the guy did in high school for fun and he had the foresight to move on from them.
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Lurdiak posted:They are men, and also women. That's why they have lipstick and a razor. Ah, I see. They're both men and women, hence why they carry two gender neutral objects.
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The fact that there is any controversy or confusion about the Magypsies is kind of sad to me. They're like devas or fairies, so of course they look outre. The fact that their atypical look is just mustaches and makeup on the same face is all part of the whimsy of the Mother method. It's a guaranteed good thing to have more video game characters who aren't sexed slices right out of the binary mold. They're not men or women in drag, they're not uncomfortable with their assigned gender at birth, they don't gently caress. Why does everything have to gently caress
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I remember an interview with Itoi where his reasoning behind the Magypsies was just "I know some people in real life that present themselves in different and interesting ways and I figured that since these kinds of people exist in the real world, they should exist in the world of Mother 3". It seemed like he wasn't so much making any sort of stance on sex or gender or transgender people but rather just thinks that people being unique is a good thing.
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Cobweb Heart posted:Why does everything have to gently caress Thank you.
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I really like Mother 3 but the hot tub rape scene does sort of poke holes in the whole "celebrate uniqueness!" angle
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RichterIX posted:I really like Mother 3 but the hot tub rape scene does sort of poke holes in the whole "celebrate uniqueness!" angle Uhhh 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNdrfokuDC4 For your perusal!
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Yeah it was a rape and Lucas was forced to abort the resulting child which is why Giygas is actually a fetus if you look closely see it all ties together
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garfield hentai posted:Yeah it was a rape and Lucas was forced to abort the resulting child which is why Giygas is actually a fetus if you look closely see it all ties together pro tier username/post combo
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RichterIX posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNdrfokuDC4 Huh. Looks like baptismal symbolism to me. Struggle, rebirth, reincorporation with community with new perspective. Maybe you're just a freakish perv who thinks about little kids being raped for fun?
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The whole thing looks like handling being in a very hot spring without dying from the heat.garfield hentai posted:Yeah it was a rape and Lucas was forced to abort the resulting child which is why Giygas is actually a fetus if you look closely see it all ties together
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Scalding Coffee posted:The whole thing looks like handling being in a very hot spring without dying from the heat. its literally a baptism scene though. a supernatural figure holds lucas under the water and tells him to endure it. as lucas breaks the surface he is reborn, with new perspective, abilities, and goals.
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garfield hentai posted:I remember an interview with Itoi where his reasoning behind the Magypsies was just "I know some people in real life that present themselves in different and interesting ways and I figured that since these kinds of people exist in the real world, they should exist in the world of Mother 3". It seemed like he wasn't so much making any sort of stance on sex or gender or transgender people but rather just thinks that people being unique is a good thing. fyi that is, in fact, a "stance" on gender - that nonbinary presentations are valid and deserving of representation.
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HAT FETISH posted:They're gonna rejiggle it into an original IP so they can sell it and justify the work they've poured into it over the however many years it's been Lame.
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DoctorWhat posted:fyi that is, in fact, a "stance" on gender - that nonbinary presentations are valid and deserving of representation. "Making a stance" as in "expressly trying to present a political opinion for the sake of presenting a political opinion". I think it's a relevant distinction because when I think of games "making a stance" I think of hamhanded "hey look we have a gay character or whatever look LOOK write nice things about us game journalists" attempts. Stuff like the new Deus Ex doing the sci fi 101 "hey this make believe discrimination sure has a lot of parallels in real life MAKES YOU THINK HUH" and reminding us that just because a small handful of Musl- er AUG extremists did a bad thing isn't a good reason to discriminate them as a whole, etc etc, no subtlety whatsoever. I think the way Mother 3 handles it is nothing like that and is a lot better for it - there's no annoyingly blunt segment where you rescue them from oppressors who hate them for their appearance with a "be nice to tra- er Magypsies they're just like you and me" children's book moral. They're just there doing their thing and are an integral part of the story. I guess what I mean is that I don't get the impression that Itoi included them for the sake of being demonstratively inclusive so he could pat himself on the back, it seems a lot more genuine.
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Creators basically never add diversity for those nefarious, insincere reasons - you're describing a bogeyman. And it's 2017, you should recognize by now that all art is inextricably political.
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Lol dude what "nefarious reasons"? I'm not frothing at the mouth ranting about sjws infiltrating games with liberal propaganda or anything remotely like that. Sometimes political messages in games can be really clumsily presented, as they can in any media. I think Itoi saying "I want to represent everyone because people's differences make the world a more interesting place and I want that in my game's world too" is more meaningful than Bioware saying "hey you guys made a fuss so here you can kiss a dude now" and more gracefully implemented than "control F Muslim Aug", if that means I'm somehow blowing things out of proportion well okay then
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Don't worry it's one more day before a disappointing Mother 4 update.
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Who's ready to be disappointed??? The quick summary: they're dropping the Mother 4 branding. And It's not coming out any time soon. So yay this can be the last time I ever have to mention this project in this thread.  indeed
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I don't understand why they're still offering it for free if they're rebranding. Might as well make some money on all that work.
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