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H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord
There's nothing like the feeling you have when you mask up in the back of the building when everything's still quiet and you're creeping around a corner to subdue a guard, and there's no rush quite like the one that happens when you're tiptoeing around and someone trips the alarm and suddenly everyone's calling audibles and adjusting to the upcoming assault.

You get that feeling every goddamn round. I loving love this game.

OP posted:

Please use a mic if you have one

Can't stress this enough. Get your loving mics on, people - you can't stop for a chat in the middle of an overkill SWAT rush.

H2SO4 fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Aug 13, 2013

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H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Zurreco posted:

For anyone who preordered but didn't get the Career Criminal pack, you can start preloading the game as of a few minutes ago. Game will go live in a bit.

Did us CCErs get the ability to preload early? I kicked it off on the morning/early afternoon of 8/12.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Stealthed Zombie posted:

At least this guy has an immediate red flag in his name, proclaiming stealth run only, so people know to avoid him because he'll likely constantly drain the fun out of every loving thing you do with him in a public match.

I would join every lobby he ever creates just to immediately mask up and start shooting civilians.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

If I want to start a low level jewelry heist, how do I host a game on that level if there are already people playing it in Crime.net?


You see the heists that show up with icons as countdown timers instead of silhouettes of players? Wait for the heist you want to show up with a countdown timer and select that one. That's you making a fresh lobby instead of joining someone else. Set your search to friends only to make it easier to spot.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

fennesz posted:

P.S. The only proper way to finish Rats is to let the last C4 blow up the bus as you walk away with 13 bags of cash. :clint:

This is why I love playing with you guys.

You've got style, kid.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Xaris posted:

Voice chat in this game is REALLY hosed up. If anyone has a solution, let me know. Everyone sounds quiet to me despite having it boosted and turning everything else down.

Honestly, once I turn down the music and game volume nearly all the way down and turn voice all the way up it's fine for me. Make sure Windows isn't loving around with your volumes when it detects communication activity. The post above mine tells you how to check that.

That being said, use Mumble.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Liberatore posted:

Only with Dominator, and there's a limit of one guard per team intimidated with it. You can get more if you convert the guy afterwards (with Joker) but that's risky in a stealth run as he'll shoot any guards he sees.


This is not true. I have had multiple dominated at the same time, you just can't convert more than one at a time.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Brainamp posted:

The idea is that you'll be able to invest in the safehouse. At least once they make it customizable.

I believe it's explicitly stated in the safehouse mission that you can use your spending money to upgrade the safehouse. I've yet to see a source saying otherwise.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

GotLag posted:

This is probably common knowledge, but you can do day 2 of Framing Frame really easily despite the SWAT ambush: throw up all the paintings but one, and everyone except for the player with the last painting takes the money to the van and waits there. The last guy throws the painting, grabs the cash, and legs it for the van. If he makes it, he makes it. If he dies, everyone else is at the van and escapes as soon as he gets taken into custody.

Son of a bitch. I did notice the front door was open, but I assumed that if anyone went out that poo poo would get real. Will have to try this out.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Tyskil posted:

So hey I got a buddy who keeps wanting to respec out of having Joker because it will not allow him to trade dominated hostages, and since we usually just roll in a two man team that is murder on difficulties where you literally have to be traded to respawn. Is there some magical way to switch which action the game thinks you want to do or can jokers only trade civilian hostages?


Pretty sure I've traded cuffed cops on Rats before, and I'm running aced Joker.

Ryuga Death posted:

Is Fast Hands that useless? I like being able to pick up bags quickly, but if it is useless, I'll respec my Ghost tree.

I love Fast Hands. Bagging/picking up poo poo is super fast. It depends on what else you're looking at using those points for, though.

H2SO4 fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Aug 20, 2013

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord
All this talk of visibility is confusing me a bit. Does it really make that much of a difference? I still sneak past cameras and guards in full gently caress-you gear with double shotguns... I can't recall a time where it really mattered. I understand switching to something lighter for speed, but not visibility.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord
Now that makes sense. I guess I'll be smarter with my armor choices.

That being said, I was happy I brought full armor when this happened.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Chuckle posted:

i've started to do it on pro overkill, then grabbing three goons to help with the gold, doesnt make too much of a difference it just makes it a bit harder with a somewhat better payout.

Chuckle is pretty much the reason I hang out in chat even when I'm not quite available for a full heist. I've always got two minutes to spare for $900k and 43,000 XP.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Liberatore posted:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/0/864974276901854292/

This might work. Another goon had the same problem and he used the .dll file from his Fallout 3 folder or something to get it to work. And yeah, always verify integrity of game cache when something like this happens.

"This file is hosted by me, don't worry about it being shady."

Sure thing buddy. I mean, it doesn't look to be shady but short of comparing hashes with a known good file I'd not download a random DLL and drop it on my box. Others in the thread mentioned that it pertained to PhysX, have you confirmed the drivers are up to date? You can also try forcing PhysX to calculate on the CPU or on the graphics card using the nVidia Control Panel (assuming it's an nVidia GPU, that is) .

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Liberatore posted:

You seem pretty paranoid about something you can quickly verify yourself. In any case, re-installing dx9 (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35) should accomplish the same thing.

I mean, sure, I can verify its signature. The bigger problem is it's teaching a lovely behavior. The fix should be telling people to reinstall dx9, not teaching them that downloading files from random people on the Internet is a good thing to do.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

DreamShipWrecked posted:

Now, you can't tell bags apart. You can't unzip them and look back inside. They're identical.

Sort of. When you pick up an engine, the HUD says "Carrying: Engine 4" or whatever one you're carrying. If you knew which one you wanted to try you could still determine which one it was.

That said, gently caress pubbies that suck.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Shooting Blanks posted:

Always seems when I pop one guard, another one comes around the corner and nails me while I'm answering the pager.

Never pop a guard out along his route unless you're sure you not only eliminated every other guard that might cross the path, but also make sure you're out of camera range. Lure them somewhere secluded (like the bathroom) and then beat them off into submission one at a time. Bagging also makes it easier so a guard doesn't wander into the bathroom, see his buddy's corpse and immediately radio in. Chuckle streams on Twitch; he was kind enough to let a few of us crash his party for a few hours as well.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

fennesz posted:

This is why I always save my last ammo bag for when we absolutely need a street full of dead cops right now.

Holy shitballs.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Mr Scumbag posted:

Edit: or have said slot machine be an upgrade for the safe house.

Bingo. Having to wait for a casino heist to pop up would suck, but buying a slot machine or perhaps hosting a poker game or similar situation at the safehouse would be loving awesome.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord
Kind of annoyed that they said "It's a valid tactic" when asked about interacting through walls/etc and then did a 180. Oh well.

Converted enemies not having a pager when they die is important - if you used all four of your pager calls and some dickhead pops him on the way out you won't have blown your cover. If you panic-dominate someone in the middle of the room this also may let you take him out and move the body, but I've got aced joker and it would nearly loving impossible to take a tank out silently.

I'm glad it didn't gently caress me up in the middle of my mission. Just finished solo stealthing a very hard Framing Frame. That poo poo was awesome.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Liberatore posted:

So you can probably just kill the guy on the spot and bag his body.

I feel like you guys might not have tried to convert someone and immediately kill them. With aced Joker, I converted a base first-responder cop and tried to kill him. It took six point-blank headshots from my Reinfeld to do the job.

Bocc Kob posted:

Is there a way to reduce the chances of the guard trying to shoot you in the face if the few first intimidates fail?

If you shout at him twice and he's still aiming at you, melee that fucker before he starts busting caps.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Slim Killington posted:

or not being able to intimidate from behind undetected? Why do I still have to stand in a guard's face for two entire seconds before successfully shouting?

Absolutely. If anything, sneaking up behind a guard and shouting at him should be the most likely intimidation to succeed.

Or could you imagine walking right up to a guard with your pistol out and pulling some serious stealth poo poo? Like holding use for a couple seconds makes you put the pistol into his back, cover his mouth and say something like "Move and you're dead." Then you get to drag him off to a dark corner and leave him cuffed. It may sound overpowered but being out in the open keeps it reasonable, I think. Mix that with a chance that your guard is a superhero and punches you in the face instead of complying.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Mr Scumbag posted:

Edit: Maybe I'm a bit insane, but I think the best, least obtrusive way to discourage speedrun/grinding would be to have the RNG at the end of heists payout relative to the mission. Ukranian jobs would give a 80% chance of a cash card, 15% chance of a gun mod and a 5% chance for a mask. Rats would give an 80% chance of a mask, and a 20% chance for a gun mod. No cash drops in multi days. there, you now have people doing multi days cause they know they'll probably get phat cosmetic poo poo and know they won't get screwed with cash.

You're assuming that everyone wants the same thing. There's a shitton of weapon attachments that I'd like to try out, meanwhile I have a whole page of masks that I don't need because I'm rocking that infamous Cthulhu.

Perhaps it should be weighted according to the player's inventory. If I have 30 masks but only 4 unique weapon mods, then I probably want mods more than masks. That kind of stuff.

Edit: gently caress people, stop caring how others have fun

H2SO4 fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Aug 23, 2013

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Slayer1597 posted:

Usually when we get caught its because of people on the street.

So control the people on the street. You can make them get down and cuff them too.

Edit: Can we please use this thread to talk about the actual game you loving manchildren?

H2SO4 fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Aug 23, 2013

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord
I'm offended that anyone is considering destroying the guns.

Some kind of heisters you are!

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Godsped posted:

I like explosions, fault me!

poo poo. I wasn't prepared for this rebuttal. Now I'm conflicted.

Okay, how about this. Blow up one bag, rescue the rest - best of both worlds.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Mzbundifund posted:

I always like having a randomly selected joke stat displayed at the end of a round. Most times shouted at cable-tied civilians, most environmental objects damaged, most times shot in the left hand, most attempted actions failed because someone else finished them first, etc.

Absolutely. I like this stuff as well. Most noticed person, most time spent in mask without doing anything suspicious, etc.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

quote:

However - the safe house customization has never been promised at release! When you go through the safe house, even Bain confirms that you'll be able to customize it down the line.

:rolleyes:

Did anyone honestly take the phrase "down the line" as meaning "when we add it into the game" and not "when you have cash and poo poo?" It seems OK is terrified to admit that they may have released earlier than intended or maybe would have been wise, and then in the next breath talk about stuff that was cut from release. I personally don't care - OK has been doing a great job and I'm sure this stuff is coming in due time, just don't play semantics with me.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord
Are you guys using ECMs in the solo bank heist? Just wondering the general strategy. I've never been in a group that's stealthed it all the way through.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

organburner posted:

And for the love of god don't stand too close to him or he'll insta-cuff you.

This is maddening when it happens to you while taking down the last guard on FF day 3.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord
For the record, as soon as the doors open you should have a mastermind (ideally) sprinting towards the street to control the three workers. They seem to spawn in an agitated state so if they aren't dealt with shortly they phone the police.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Anonymous Robot posted:

Does anyone actually find the glock18/stryk usable?

I had a stock drop so I gave it a shot. It was terrible. That said I didn't take any pistol/secondary skills either, so YMMV.


You say that like I didn't already have a Deagle. I'm offended.
\/\/

H2SO4 fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Aug 25, 2013

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Cease to Hope posted:

Aced Berserker and the ammo bag skills are all the saw upgrades you will ever need.

Huh? Aced Berserker gives you more damage with ranged weapons inversely proportional to your level of health.

You may be thinking of Bulletstorm, but even still that doesn't apply to sawblades.

Roxors posted:

I hope they find a way for stealth to involve the entire group more

I mean, if you're specced for stealth then you can stealth. Few things are more awesome than a bunch of dudes in suits teaming up to sweep a building in no time. If you aren't specced for stealth then you can still spot enemies through windows or move in behind the stealth crew and start doing work like taking paintings or whatever.

H2SO4 fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Aug 25, 2013

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord
I'm really getting annoyed with the BS justifications for blowing stealth. Just ran a jewelery store where I took out the guards round back, shot the side window with silenced pistol (doesn't alert anyone unless they're in the room) and got everyone in the store down. One guy in the street got curious so I dropped an ECM in the bank and ran out to the street and got everyone down. Popped the guy across the street who was on the phone but hadn't alerted yet, got everyone else down and started tying them up.

As soon as I tied the last guy in the street, the alarm went off and the reason given was "A civilian heard a window break and called the police." One window was broken, probably a full two minutes before that point. Hadn't started looting yet.

I'm doing dry runs to improve my stealth game, but without constructive feedback it's drat near futile. They really should show you after the fact who called the cops. Something like a flashback or killcam like TF2/CoD/whatever. If the worry is that people will somehow mold themselves into perfect criminals too quickly or something, make it only happen if you complete the heist successfully.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord
Oh wow. Just ran a couple missions with the goonsquad and we had a completely jacked third day of Firestarter. Three of us saw the vault open and all kinds of things in other places than the host.

I was lucky enough to be recording at the time, so hopefully I can trim it and throw it up on youtube.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Lasher posted:

Excellent. Ta mate. I want to be able to fill any gaps in a team but I just love my shotgun too much to swap it out.

Also I remember hearing you can carry bodies if you've been undetected and "tag" guards and the like. How does that work? edit: Ignore me they're all ghost perks.

Calling out guards isn't a perk; everyone can do that. Bagging bodies is super useful; I crawled up the mastermind tree to get aced Joker then clawed my way up Ghost to get bodybags.

Edit: motherfucker. I recorded during the glitched run, but OBS wasn't getting any video. I took a few screencaps though.

H2SO4 fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Aug 25, 2013

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin


Buglord

Lasher posted:

Yeah we took them all the landing strip and just our rotten luck it was something like the 3rd to last bag we loaded up. Lesson learnt there.

Jesus - there are ten loving engines....

We stealthed it with a goonsquad a few days ago which was my first runthrough. It was a Pro Overkill job, and none of us realized/remembered that even if you stealth the rest of the mission, the helicopter alerts the cops. We were all kitted out for stealth, wearing suits and carrying silenced secondaries.

It was the third engine we tried, and all four of us made it out alive. That was a hell of a rush.

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H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

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Buglord

jerkstoresup posted:

3 people can do it fastest, 2 almost as fast and it's possible solo with some practice.

Does having a fourth give you any real bump in cash via the "crew members still alive" bonus?

edit: General question, since JS isn't for cash anyway.

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