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Sunning posted:Come to think of it, spoilers for Robert Louis Stevenson's book are to this show what the historical account of the slave rebellion was for Spartacus. Dear lord I hope those idiotic rules don't ruin this thread. Its a prequel and its being told like viewers should somewhat know that. Its a 220 year old book. People have had literally their whole lives to read it and probably have in school. Its like spoiling the end of the US Civil War.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Dear lord I hope those idiotic rules don't ruin this thread. Its a prequel and its being told like viewers should somewhat know that. Its a 220 year old book. People have had literally their whole lives to read it and probably have in school. The age of the material the TV show is based on is irrelevant. You're still spoiling a show for someone that is specifically avoiding that information. Not everyone is familiar with detailed pirate history enough to just know off-hand exactly how every character on the show eventually ends up. There's no reason it has to spoil the thread, and it worked out just fine for Spartacus. Also your analogy is a bit silly. The personal details of a few famous pirates is hardly some kind of widely-known topic on par with the US Civil War.
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Jan 23, 2014 02:42
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I read the book. I don't remember it.
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Jan 23, 2014 03:23
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Eh, I'd say Treasure Island is pretty darned well known. Its been adapted to film dozens of times and even had a Muppets movie made about it. I'm not saying every one should be familiar with Calico Jack's history (they should be because its awesome history), but I dont think talking about Treasure Island feels like that at all. I know thats how TVIV works, and I won't be an rear end about it, but come on. Its a classic work of fiction for children thats been around for centuries. I had to read it in like 5th grade. Whatever, kids these days and their hatred of books and back in my day school was uphill in the snow and blah blah blah....
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Jan 23, 2014 03:25
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nooneofconsequence posted:I read the book. Same. And watched at least one of the movies. Just do we we did for the Spartacus thread and spoiler character fates and plots. We had very few problems with this.
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Jan 23, 2014 04:00
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Just watched the pilot and goddamn this show already has me hooked. Between this and Assassin's Creed IV, it's been a really great year for pirate media! The "I want to gently caress." line was a little out-of-place and unnecessary, but I thought everyone else did a great job. Flint in particular was fantastic casting if the series holds as well as the pilot. As for Treasure Island, I've never actually read the book but don't really have any issues with people talking about where this show will lead. Like others have said, it's public domain, heavily referenced in other media, and most people probably have a basic idea of what its about.
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Jan 23, 2014 06:45
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Solice Kirsk posted:Eh, I'd say Treasure Island is pretty darned well known. No, it's not really. Not the intricacies of the plot and characters anyway. Most people have probably heard the title at least.
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Jan 23, 2014 06:50
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I've never even heard of the book. 
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Jan 23, 2014 07:30
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Treasure Island is probably more well known than the details of the Civil War though.
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Wait, there is another pirate show coming? On network TV?quote:“Sails” is set 20 years prior to Robert Louis Stevenson’s “Treasure Island” and is free of the peg-legs and talking parrot tropes. It follows Capt. Flint (Toby Stephens) and his men as they fight for the survival of New Providence Island in the Bahamas — a criminal haven with pirates, prostitutes and thieves. http://nypost.com/2014/01/21/starz-takes-on-real-pirates-with-black-sails/ Xoidanor posted:I've never even heard of the book. The book isn't hard to find now that it's public domain now.
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Jan 23, 2014 16:40
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Xoidanor posted:I've never even heard of the book. It's great swashbuckling fun written for teenage boys, and is directly responsible for getting me into the Aubrey-Maturin books (More boats and cannons and muskets? Sign me the gently caress up!) a few years later. Don't know how much of a reader you are, but I recommend it. (Black Sails future spoiler maybe:) In TI, Silver is a politicking disingenuous gently caress not unlike Frank Underwood in House of Cards, and I'm curious to see if the show will build him up to Stevenson's description.
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Jan 23, 2014 17:06
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Treasure Island also started a bunch of "piratey" stuff we all know and love. Talking parrots, treasure maps marked with an X, the black spot, and possibly the entire idea of buried pirate treasure.
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Jan 23, 2014 21:37
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By the way, the spirit of Spartacus won't live on until we get some gay romance. Lesbians don't count.
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I watched it last night and enjoyed it, other that the casting of John Silver. I watched a few different versions Treasure Island and really liked the book when I was growing up, so I'm biased by my previous notions that have been with me for a long time, but Long John Silver has traditionally been cast as being pretty drat grizzled looking, or at least like he could be capable of doing you harm. John Silver in this show, (while being much younger in this iteration) just kind of looks goofy.     (never saw this version)vs.  I was also surprised to learn that Captain Vane's "Cliche badass eyebrow scar" is apparently real. Captain Flint looks perfect. AFewBricksShy fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jan 24, 2014 |
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Jan 24, 2014 17:35
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Yeah, for me, Long John Silver is the worst part of the show so far.
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Jan 24, 2014 18:47
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But from your pictures he definitely could be a younger Tim Curry.
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Jan 24, 2014 19:06
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Aphrodite posted:But from your pictures he definitely could be a younger Tim Curry. He looks more like a tanner Kit Harrington (Jon Snow) than anything when in motion in the episode, I think.
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Jan 24, 2014 21:04
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Well, the dude does have 20 years of pirate-lifing to go through. That'll probably pirate him up some.
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Jan 25, 2014 00:41
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Yeah I don't really mind the character/actor since the pilot made it pretty clear that he's more of a conman than some rough pirate. We'll see where they go with it but I'm alright with him for now.
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Jan 25, 2014 02:20
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For me this show is working because it's using a fictional crew alongside real pirate crews. Vanes quarter master is John/Jack Rackham or Calico Jack a famous pirate in his own right and owner of one of the most used Jolly Rogers in history  . His gently caress buddy in the show, is Anne Bonny... a ruthless female pirate. Which was an enormous feat for a woman, they were considered bad luck on a ship by the deeply superstitious seafarers.This is taken from 'A General History of the Pyrates' published in 1725. 
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Jan 25, 2014 09:18
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Spartacus bro chiming in. Enjoyed the show. Nice tits. Nice violence. What I expected and what I got. Waiting for the next episode.
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VDay posted:Yeah I don't really mind the character/actor since the pilot made it pretty clear that he's more of a conman than some rough pirate. We'll see where they go with it but I'm alright with him for now. Yeah, they made it pretty obvious with his first scenes that he's an opportunistic guy who tries to lay low until he sees a chance to capitalize. The actor seemed fine to me, he showed some personality when he was first talking to the cook at the beginning, the rest of the episode the character was just going with the flow and observing poo poo. That wig he has is terrible though.
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Jan 25, 2014 18:54
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I enjoyed the first episode for this one more than I did the first episode of Spartacus and I ended up putting Blood and Sand and Gods of the Arena up there with my favorite seasons of all time for a show so I'm pretty hopeful for how this one will turn out once it hits its stride.
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Jan 25, 2014 19:51
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The first episode of Spartacus was a loving disaster. I'm so relieved Black Sails got a decent start.
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Jan 25, 2014 19:58
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Xoidanor posted:The first episode of Spartacus was a loving disaster. I'm so relieved Black Sails got a decent start. Yeah, Spartacus took a few episodes to get going and this show already looks to be off to a better start. Hopefully it only gets better from here onward.
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Jan 25, 2014 23:33
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Blackbeard was the best joke. It bought me at least half a season.
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Think we should also sorta note that some critics have seen around three or so episodes already and are down on it because there isn't enough action. All political/trade stuff. Sepinwall particularly.
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Jan 26, 2014 08:09
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Here's hoping John Hannah gets a role as a foul mouthed innkeeper.
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Tokubetsu posted:Think we should also sorta note that some critics have seen around three or so episodes already and are down on it because there isn't enough action. All political/trade stuff. Sepinwall particularly. Critics are much more split than viewers. Seems about 50/50 positive and negative reviews. It's a shame they were only sent 4 episodes as the season is really backloaded (action wise).
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Five Cent Deposit posted:Critics are much more split than viewers. Seems about 50/50 positive and negative reviews. It's a shame they were only sent 4 episodes as the season is really backloaded (action wise). Whoa whoa whoa, how do you know this?
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DivisionPost posted:Whoa whoa whoa, how do you know this? Even if he's just speculating, it does seem obvious.
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Jan 27, 2014 03:26
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Hopefully they avoid any more CG shots of the ships sailing because the ones in the pilot were pretty bad. The sets look good and the New Providence dock was fine but that part at the beginning was just rough looking.
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Hedrigall posted:I havent watched it yet but has no-one else mentioned the fact that the pilot was directed by Neil "Blackwater" Marshall? You mean Neil "Centurion" Marshall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZs2_i_cDE Bad trailer, decent movie. I quite liked the pilot, obviously CGI is a standout for being a bit iffy but I was surprised at the Island Village set, looks pretty drat good for a TV show.
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Jan 27, 2014 13:35
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drunkill posted:You mean Neil "Centurion" Marshall. I rather enjoyed the pilot and thought the CG looked fine, but the land sets (was that Nassau? Port Royal? I can't remember if they said) looked amazing. I saw some "Making Of" for the pilot and they actually built Flint's ship they use, though it was on a platform next to the ocean and not in it. Why is it being compared to Spartacus? I remember watching the Spartacus pilot and turning it off halfway through because of the ridiculous tsunamis of CGI blood made me laugh too much. Also anyone wanting to watch/rewatch the Black Sails pilot, Starz put it up on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP-vbDtyMXw
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PlushCow posted:
I compared it to Spartacus in the title because at the time I wrote the OP, Spartacus had just gone off the air and this was next in the pipe for the "historical action series aimed at men ages 18-35." But I'll be perfectly honest and say that, at least so far, Black Sails is completely tonally different, so my comparison is no longer valid. But I can't change the title so everyone has to live with it and that's just how it's gonna be ok  Also: I hope you gave Spartacus a second shot because it improved exponentially after the third episode and by the end of the first season it went from something I (and most others) ironically watched to something that was legitimately compelling.
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PlushCow posted:I rather enjoyed the pilot and thought the CG looked fine, but the land sets (was that Nassau? Port Royal? I can't remember if they said) looked amazing. I saw some "Making Of" for the pilot and they actually built Flint's ship they use, though it was on a platform next to the ocean and not in it. Yeah that's the impression most got from that episode. Just ignore it and go on Netflix or something and watch the rest of the season. By about episode 5 you'll be completely hooked. The hooky CGI will be there for all of season 1 (their budget was kinda limited) but the characters, drama and ridiculous slow-motion fight scenes will make it all worth it. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jan 27, 2014 |
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PlushCow posted:
Because it's on Starz and will hopefully be similar in that in contains a lot of political intrigue, violence, nudity and strong characters. Also it's been said a million times but Spartacus is an amazing show which you should definitely watch, even if the first few episodes are a bit rough.
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3Romeo posted:I compared it to Spartacus in the title because at the time I wrote the OP, Spartacus had just gone off the air and this was next in the pipe for the "historical action series aimed at men ages 18-35." This is shaping up to be more Boardwalk Empire than Spartacus anyway, which I'm totally cool with.
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DivisionPost posted:This is shaping up to be more Boardwalk Empire than Spartacus anyway, which I'm totally cool with. Given that some critics have "complained" that later episodes of Black Sails lack action and are full of political intrigue, this might be shaping up to be more like Game of Thrones. Intermittent action set pieces that happen in a narrative full of political maneuvering, backstabbing, etc. And that's a great show to be compared to so I'm not sure why critics complained so much. Guess they expected just another Spartacus and this might be going for a different angle, like you said.
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PlushCow posted:Also anyone wanting to watch/rewatch the Black Sails pilot, Starz put it up on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP-vbDtyMXw No way that's TV-14 unless they cut out 20 minutes of it.
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