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JR ANTI SEX LEAGUE posted:In really exciting sex work news: I remember when this was really just starting (over a year ago before the appeals went up) girls were going crazy at the club talking about how they were going to make every stripclub into a brothel. It was seriously  stuff and also really :facepalm: and I can just imagine these girls starting to go crazy over it all again. The funny thing is that they were mostly from areas where clubs are ALREADY brothels and where you COULD work and make money not doing extras but would have to put up with the guys who are assuming that they're going to get extras (which is why girls travel to more 'remote' areas to begin with). With regards to pornstars: depending on your definition of porn I would say that camming is porn just not ~commercial~ porn - especially if the person makes clips or other pre-recorded content to sell. I don't care to be considered as making porn but I do think that a lot of the considerations that go into it go into camming as well (though solo).
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Very Nice Eraser posted:So JR ANTI SEX LEAGUE, what do you do? quote:I mostly work for a "boutique" escort agency/brothel (we have in-call premises); I spent a little while working for a very busy local parlour. I suppose the easiest way for non-sex workers to understand it is as an "escort" - my agency works on an on-call basis, so I don't have to hang around at work unless I've got a booking. At the parlour, we had to work shifts, usually that means being on-site a minimum of ten hours for every shift we were scheduled for. You don't get paid for being there, either, just for the bookings you get.
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A lot of people record their sessions on camsites with FRAPS or whatever, and upload the recordings for other people to watch. Would you say this causes you to lose revenue? I'd look on it as a form of piracy, myself.
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razorrozar posted:A lot of people record their sessions on camsites with FRAPS or whatever, and upload the recordings for other people to watch. Would you say this causes you to lose revenue? I'd look on it as a form of piracy, myself. It is piracy and it is a huge loss of revenue. Tube sites are really harmful for porn in general. Just want to add tho that you can get your content taken down from a tube site if you find it and submit some form. I haven't found myself ever (fingers crossed) so I haven't had to but lots of girls I know have 
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luscious posted:It is piracy and it is a huge loss of revenue. Tube sites are really harmful for porn in general. Just want to add tho that you can get your content taken down from a tube site if you find it and submit some form. I haven't found myself ever (fingers crossed) so I haven't had to but lots of girls I know have How specifically would it cause you to lose revenue? As a camgirl, you're making money because guys want to experience you live. If they wanted to watch videos, they could watch any of the billion free clips on the internet, they wouldn't have to pay anything for that. If anything, video captures of you would serve as an advertisement for your camming services, and actually make you money, although there are obviously reasons why you might well not want video clips of you floating around.
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Orange Sunshine posted:How specifically would it cause you to lose revenue? As a camgirl, you're making money because guys want to experience you live. If they wanted to watch videos, they could watch any of the billion free clips on the internet, they wouldn't have to pay anything for that. If anything, video captures of you would serve as an advertisement for your camming services, and actually make you money, although there are obviously reasons why you might well not want video clips of you floating around. Yes, you might think this, but it is untrue. Somehow it's what the people who record us do think though. Aside from it being untrue, it is also a huge breach of privacy and just... I dunno... wrong and sleazy. It is not an advertisement to record me without my knowledge / consent and post it where other people can see and where it is totally possible that YOU will make revenue off of it. And why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? I understand that you might think that this would be true but it really isn't.
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To provide a specific example: what if someone was to come into luscious's room, was attracted enough to want more, but instead of going private (and paying her) tried to find a clip of her on one of the tube sites? If there's a clip available for him to watch, luscious has directly lost revenue because of the tube site. Also, god drat you are on top of this thread, I don't think I've seen anything sit for more than half an hour without being answered. Kudos and thanks!
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razorrozar posted:To provide a specific example: what if someone was to come into luscious's room, was attracted enough to want more, but instead of going private (and paying her) tried to find a clip of her on one of the tube sites? If there's a clip available for him to watch, luscious has directly lost revenue because of the tube site. Yeah this is pretty much it. There's also a lot of fetishes that come up that really the guys could get off just watching a clip (jerk off instruction or small penis humiliation for example) and don't need me specifically. I have paid for porn in the past but would have just watched the clip if it was available y know. quote:Also, god drat you are on top of this thread, I don't think I've seen anything sit for more than half an hour without being answered. Kudos and thanks! I spend all my time at the computer either working or satisfying my need for three things to be happening at a time (right now I'm watching The Good Wife, chatting, and browsing). It is rare that I am without computer and love to talk about myself.
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Unknownmass posted:As you just mentioned being around your computer often, are you always on cam and just have highs and lows in activity? What do you do when there is not a lot of traffic for you? Do you stay and wait it out or do something different? Oh god no... I go on and stay on for a few hours. I try to keep myself entertained BUT when it gets really bad I'll browse around a little bit. I have a "concentration face" and guys always know when I'm not paying attention. When traffic gets really bad or isn't paying I normally log off and log back on a bit later. I think that the longest shift that I've done on cam was 8 hours maybe?
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JR ANTI SEX LEAGUE posted:At the parlour, we had to work shifts, usually that means being on-site a minimum of ten hours for every shift we were scheduled for. You don't get paid for being there, either, just for the bookings you get. Are such arrangements really OK with respect to labor law where you are, or are they just customary and relatively unchallenged? In the US at least — if prostitution were legal of course — that kind of control over work hours and environment would make it very likely you'd be classed as an employee, rather than an independent contractor, and subject to minimum wage and overtime regulations. (And your employer would have to withhold their portion of various taxes.) I've actually wondered how strip clubs in the US get away with making dancers pay to work for similar reasons.
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eschaton posted:Are such arrangements really OK with respect to labor law where you are, or are they just customary and relatively unchallenged? Well you kinda answered your own question with the second part. Dancers in the US are required to stay for certain amounts of time, pay house fees, are often scheduled by the club, and do not get minimum wage or overtime. So even though dancing is completely legal dancers are still required to be independent contractors who operate under employee classifications. There was recently a lawsuit won by dancers against one club though I forget which in their favour. It's the same everywhere though, just FYI. Dancing is legal and so is the abuse of the independent contractor / employee rights.
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luscious posted:Well you kinda answered your own question with the second part. Dancers in the US are required to stay for certain amounts of time, pay house fees, are often scheduled by the club, and do not get minimum wage or overtime. So even though dancing is completely legal dancers are still required to be independent contractors who operate under employee classifications. There was recently a lawsuit won by dancers against one club though I forget which in their favour. The abuse of employee rights isn't really legal though, it just seems customary in some industries. The tech industry got severely clamped down on in the 1990s for employee mis-classification, the main example is the Microsoft "permatemp" scandal. So now tech companies tend to be pretty strict about how contractors versus employees work. I'm just surprised that clubs in the US (with our tendency for stupid "vice" prosecution) get away with basically the same thing, and that it even goes on in countries like yours and JASL's that tend to have much better labor law and enforcement than the US. eschaton fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Dec 21, 2013 |
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eschaton posted:The abuse of employee rights isn't really legal though, it just seems customary in some industries. The tech industry got severely clamped down on in the 1990s for employee mis-classification, the main example is the Microsoft "permatemp" scandal. So now tech companies tend to be pretty strict about how contractors versus employees work. OKAY WAIT reread your post and um. get it better now. They really don't though. While I didn't have to pay a percentage to the club I still had to pay to be there, stay for 6 hours (or pay to leave early), follow rules like going on stage (and other stupid ones in certain clubs) even though I'm paying, and show up at a certain time. I understand that you're saying that we have different labour laws and am not an expert in them by any means but I don't think that they really are that much better? I get that we are agreeing in a sense but want to make it clear that the abuses are across the board in every country. luscious fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Dec 21, 2013 |
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eschaton posted:The abuse of employee rights isn't really legal though, it just seems customary in some industries. The tech industry got severely clamped down on in the 1990s for employee mis-classification, the main example is the Microsoft "permatemp" scandal. So now tech companies tend to be pretty strict about how contractors versus employees work. The tech industry is one of the terrible cesspits of employee abuse. You get hits on most of the labor laws. The one I see most frequently is the misinformation that positions above a certain salary threshold don't get overtime so the employer can schedule as many hours as they want. In my country only executive positions have that limitation and its because client meetings and other tasks can come up at weird hours. They don't have a schedule per se so they can arrive and leave whenever they want when they are finished with their work. Guess which part of the limitation is not applied to techies. Excessive overtime is another point where the tech industry sucks. To avoid hiring extra personnel, they request OT and on call work in insane amounts. Techies like that because it means that they often get paid an extra salary in OT but they don't understand the strain that puts in their bodies. Its scummy that strippers/escorts are not paid for time spent on premises. In my view, if they want you there, they can pay you for your time even if your idling. I have a question, are brothels checked by the authorities to ensure that all the women who work there are not working against their will? Is there legislation against human trafficking with the purpose of prostitution? I ask because my country is right next to Colombia and we get a big influx of immigrants both documented and undocumented because of the guerrilla problem in there. Many women without education end up working in brothels. I have often wanted to visit a brothel but I'm really torn about women getting exploited. Specially after reading that Mischa Glenny book where it explained how the immigrants get their passports taken from them and have to work their debt in that way.
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TerryLennox posted:I have a question, are brothels checked by the authorities to ensure that all the women who work there are not working against their will? Is there legislation against human trafficking with the purpose of prostitution? I ask because my country is right next to Colombia and we get a big influx of immigrants both documented and undocumented because of the guerrilla problem in there. Many women without education end up working in brothels. I have often wanted to visit a brothel but I'm really torn about women getting exploited. Specially after reading that Mischa Glenny book where it explained how the immigrants get their passports taken from them and have to work their debt in that way. I thought you might find this article interesting  quote:The moral panic on the supposed prevalence of trafficking in the global sex industry rests on a lie: that the majority of sex workers are trafficked. In fact, the opposite is true. from here
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luscious posted:I thought you might find this article interesting I love how drug cartels control entire countries and yet we still have not learned that prohibition of a thing creates a thriving black market for said thing.
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TerryLennox posted:The tech industry is one of the terrible cesspits of employee abuse. You get hits on most of the labor laws. The one I see most frequently is the misinformation that positions above a certain salary threshold don't get overtime so the employer can schedule as many hours as they want. In my country only executive positions have that limitation and its because client meetings and other tasks can come up at weird hours. They don't have a schedule per se so they can arrive and leave whenever they want when they are finished with their work. Guess which part of the limitation is not applied to techies. Excessive overtime is another point where the tech industry sucks. To avoid hiring extra personnel, they request OT and on call work in insane amounts. Techies like that because it means that they often get paid an extra salary in OT but they don't understand the strain that puts in their bodies. You mean like the blog posts in this subsite? http://trenchescomic.com/ luscious, thanks for creating this thread and shining some light into the sex service industry.
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I know this post is a bit old but, luscious posted:Hold up. I do want to add to the stripping thing that there were a lot of guys who would treat me in a loving way and I think would see the contact that they had with me as being theraputic. There was one guy who I danced with this summer for a long time (I think I got 500 off of him so more than an hour which would be about 300) and the whole time he told me how wonderful it was and how he had never felt this way before which is kind of I had a sort of similar experience. While it wasn't something I'd never had before, there was a time when the contact and the intimacy of being in a private room with a stripper actually helped me a lot. I got divorced in 2008 and the ability to just have that touch, that contact, and with someone who can mean something right now, but we're both okay with her being gone tomorrow... ehh, this sounds really stupid, but I've already opened the can of worms so here we go. I frequented several strip clubs in Germany after the divorce and met several wonderful ladies who, whether or not they were just doing it for money (who cares if it's just a job - if you do it well it's just like anything else) gave me a feeling of companionship, or at least a momentary bit of intimacy that I really needed at the time. Most of them were also awesome human beings who would talk to me like a person, not just a customer. That's kind of a big deal. I know it's part of the trade, but it was really great to feel that in a time when I was probably at my worst. Maybe I could have found that outside the club, but at the time I felt like I couldn't find it anywhere, and that experience proved me wrong. I wouldn't take back a minute of it, because I honestly credit those people for helping me get back on track, find my confidence again, and remember that I'm not the horrible bastard I felt like when my marriage fell apart after she came back broken from Iraq. I thought it was all my fault, and while I'm not innocent, I should never have taken everything out on myself the way I did. She will probably never read this but extra special thanks to (name redacted) in Bitburg, you're a wonderful lady. I eventually put myself back together and I'm in a very happy relationship now, and I still feel like I'll never forget that time. And yeah, I was that guy who just wanted her to sit on my lap and talk to me, and occasionally let me put my arms around her. e: poo poo, I can't tell you how many lap dances I paid for where there was no actual lap dance and she stayed dressed and we just talked and occasionally hugged, or she would just lay down and bullshit with me for a while. Wouldn't take it back for anything. In some ways I think it was better than therapy. e2: I used a name and maybe I shouldn't have so that has been removed. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Dec 24, 2013 |
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luscious posted:Thanks for this post Eh, it wasn't even about being wife-like, but then again the cam world is probably a lot different from the club world. I just wanted to feel someone there in my arms, talk to someone who cared enough to listen, and have that moment with another person. poo poo, now that I think of it maybe it's the same thing, really. All I know for sure is that it helped me in a very difficult part of my life, and I thank everyone involved to this day.
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Fenrir posted:Eh, it wasn't even about being wife-like, but then again the cam world is probably a lot different from the club world. I just wanted to feel someone there in my arms, talk to someone who cared enough to listen, and have that moment with another person. Yeah I get you. I would oftentimes find a lot of the same thing that guys would from the contact that I got at the club. Also a lot of social interaction and satisfaction. It was never really about attention to me. quote:poo poo, now that I think of it maybe it's the same thing, really. All I know for sure is that it helped me in a very difficult part of my life, and I thank everyone involved to this day. It is and it isn't. With camming I find that the guys are like "wow she's interested in me wow we have continuity wow I have a chance!" because it's super easy to find a girl-nextdoor kinda camgirl. HOWEVER with stripping you kinda know (I hope  ) that you're not going to get her. It's more about the fantasy whereas camming is more about being able to find your "reality" or whatever.Does that make sense?
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TheSpiritFox posted:I love how drug cartels control entire countries and yet we still have not learned that prohibition of a thing creates a thriving black market for said thing. Just after the court in Canada announced the new laws regarding prostitution a woman called the CBC outraged that the government was saying it was okay to buy and sell women and children. It just rubbed me the wrong way because the issue is way more complex then that, as well I believe there are male prostitutes out there as well. Going to work for a corporation all day making money for a boss some where is no different in my eyes. The safer people can be in whatever their chosen workplace the better.
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quote:JackO: you so loving fake shut your fake mouth loving whore bitch quote:mikewashere: i need a special favor. I will pay u $100 if u can put your whole foot in your rear end, ankle deep. Can u? quote:james: i give u 100 if u show me something none else can IN FREE quote:mah240: Oh no no no....way too much makeup!! quote:hiss: golddigger alert! quote:Searching4: you're wife material why you on here quote:WhyNot: darling if you stand and give me a nice twirl and bend over and spread cheeks so I can see sweet rear end I will give you 50$ and take you pvt for an hour quote:ShutUpWhore: *actually got to say nothing because I banned upon entry* quote:Seamus: ur horse faced bitch quote:Steveie: you were a solid 8 and then I saw gap between your teeth and now I think 4 max (from a friend of mine) quote:obrigad: give your number i want gently caress now (jokingly from my friend when telling her about what I see happening on the site sometimes) quote:why are you such a greedy bitch just piss all over your bed for 3 cents a minute 
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quote:hiss: golddigger alert! This one is my favourite, because, yes, duh, sex workers are doing it for the money, it's our job.
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JR ANTI SEX LEAGUE posted:This one is my favourite, because, yes, duh, sex workers are doing it for the money, it's our job. I think my response was "what the gently caress were you expecting to happen here?" I then went into a rant about how stupid it would be to go to a restaurant and call your waitress a golddigging bitch for telling you that the bathroom is for customers only or that if you wanted to stay you had to order something. God! what a bitch! You want to eat food you have to pay for it? loving whore!
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JR ANTI SEX LEAGUE posted:This one is my favourite, because, yes, duh, sex workers are doing it for the money, it's our job. By this logic I'm a total gold digger, because when I take you somewhere in my cab I want my fare 
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Fenrir posted:By this logic I'm a total gold digger, because when I take you somewhere in my cab I want my fare Whore!
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Fenrir posted:By this logic I'm a total gold digger, because when I take you somewhere in my cab I want my fare Sounds like you're just in it for the money 
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Fenrir posted:By this logic I'm a total gold digger, because when I take you somewhere in my cab I want my fare I actually think that taxi drivers are very similar to strippers / camgirls in that we have to balance out "which fare do I take" "do I want the long trip with only one tip or a bunch of short ones?" Dealing with annoying drunk people all the time. Ca$h.
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chemical_combat posted:Just after the court in Canada announced the new laws regarding prostitution a woman called the CBC outraged that the government was saying it was okay to buy and sell women and children. It just rubbed me the wrong way because the issue is way more complex then that, as well I believe there are male prostitutes out there as well. Going to work for a corporation all day making money for a boss some where is no different in my eyes. The safer people can be in whatever their chosen workplace the better. I know this is an old thread but I just found it and I'd hate to see it go away into archives. I hear this on the radio call-in poo poo too, annoys the hell out of me. Forcing women into prostitution has been and remains illegal. Same thing with exploiting children. The Government is going to do something though and I think these consultations they are trying to do is a good step. I just hope it isn't lip service and whatever laws they craft are good laws, help the people that need it in the "industry" but don't punish those that are in by choice and enjoy what they do.
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It's an old thread but most of the folks involved are still around so I wouldn't be surprised if they have an answer for you. Obviously, most anyone with a brain is going to agree with you. The professional sex industry has little to nothing to do, ever, with forced prostitution or anything like that. Everyone I've ever known in the industry is there because they want the money and/or enjoy the job. Usually both, actually. And they certainly have no interest in exploiting children. e: This is anecdotal and by all means not admissible as evidence for the entire industry, but here's an experience of mine: I lived in Germany from 2004 to 2009, while I was in the US Air Force. Prostitution is legal there, and there are brothels. I went to a few, several times, even though I never actually hooked up with one. I was more into strippers and dancers, and just didn't want to go all the way. Still, several of my friends did (and there's nothing wrong with that, just don't get caught, because it's actually illegal for US military members to solicit prostitution even where it's legal). Anyway, those places are also bars, so I would just hang out at the bar and drink, and if I tipped the bartenders well, they were cool with me hanging out until my friends came back from the rooms. All of the women I ever saw in the two brothels we would go to were at least 20 years old, and usually closer to 30. On multiple occasions, there was some jackass who came in and asked if they had anything younger. Sometimes it was an American, sometimes it was a German. Either way they threw his rear end out and called the police once they realized he was looking for kids. I think illegal prostitution has a much bigger child problem than legal prostitution has, and by a lot. I've actually SEEN underage street prostitutes, but I've never even heard of a legitimate agency hiring anyone underage. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Mar 29, 2014 |
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strap on revenge posted:Cracking up at the 'kiss dear' at the end Never let it be said that he's a man without class. Pleased to see this thread pop back up on my bookmarks, it was always an interesting read. I'll think up some questions later.
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luscious posted:Sorry to bump this but I believe that I came across the best person in the world tonight I really want to know who this "he" putting the guy's dick in your rear end pussy is. Would he? It adds a whole layer of mystery.
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Yes it was very mysterious and very strange. I know that they're advertising during World Cup because there's been an influx in non-English speaking guys - specifically Portuguese and Spanish. Not just for me - other girls are saying the same thing.
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