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Feb 25, 2008

total body workout posted:

You mention that what defines a "sex worker" is that they do what they do by choice.

-How free is this apparent choice?
-Are many women forced to "choose" to sell their sexual consent because of dire economic straits?

One thing that should be made really clear is that there's a huge difference between a sex worker and a sex slave. A sex worker is an ordinary person who has chosen to trade their body/sexuality for profit, a sex slave is a slave who is being exploited sexually. The issue when someone is being forced into prostitution isn't protitution, it's slavery. Slavery is bad, it doesn't matter if the person is being forced to pick cotton or suck a dick.

As far as economic pressures go, same basic idea, the problem isn't prostitution, it's only a symptom of far reaching social problems(education, job opportunities, economic disparity between rich and poor, etc).

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

Thank you for this reply as well, it is great :)

No problem, a few friends of mine have dabbled in the sex trade and I'm always happy to go on a little rant about it.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

I guess I can say things like "cover yourself in cheese slices, masturbate and eat them"

Yeah, I'd say that counts as strange.

How about Online dating mishaps? Those threads are always amazing and I can only imagine you've hit entirely new levels of awkward.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

I mean, I guess those aren't too weird. The whole military thing became kinda all consuming at one point. Drama is fun until it's out of control, right?

Not the most cringe worthy stories, but I bet things were pretty awkward around the base.

luscious posted:

I got breast implants in October of 2012.

Was there a noticable increase in your income?

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Feb 25, 2008
Have you ever been in a situation where you hesitated to go to the police/proper authority because of your work?

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Feb 25, 2008
Do you think your customers getting off is more visual or psycological?

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

I'm good at talking and getting naked though.

Well, that sounds like half of the perfect woman.

:rimshot:


I'd have thought even the guys not into fetishes would have a pretty big psycological aspect to it, if it were purely visual, why not just watch free porn? I guess it could be awkward to ask customers why they come to you, but then I'd find it awkward to ask someone to masturbate covered in cheese, then eat it, so my standards may not apply.

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Feb 25, 2008

drat, I'm in the wrong line of work. How long does the average cam show last?

luscious posted:

At the club an hourly rate is up to me and is decided upon before the hour begins if they want to do an hour.

How often do people go for a full hour?

What's the most money you've seen someone spend at the club?



luscious posted:

I seriously need a livein caregiver who will cook / clean / do errands for me. I'll pay, I promise :(

If you're looking in Ottawa, I have a master bedroom attached bath that just came up for rent, and that's pretty much the exact deal I had with my last roommate. Though, it was laziness and incompetence* that kept him from helping out. Also, introvert roommates are the best roommates.


*one time he tried to clean the tub with sandpaper, boggles the mind.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:


Ok deal. I think that aside from my special needs I'm a sweet roommate. Unless I'm camming. Then you have sex toys being delivered to your house daily and porno noises coming from a room in the house (I can't work in my bedroom for sleep hygiene reasons). I do have a lot of sweet appliances and I impulse buy things very frequently. There were a few times that I bought things when I was camming under the influence. Like binoculars. I thought that maybe I could see work from my balcony and decided that I had to spend 150$ on binoculars - regular ones weren't good enough.

Also: Pho.

Unfortunately, the only room that's free is the bedroom, and while I'd find camming in the living room hilarious, it would be more than a little awkward at times. If you want more info on the place email me at insertprotagonist at gmail.com.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

I actually require privacy to cam. For a while I got worried that the people sharing a wall with me were listening and got really paranoid and had to go offline :/

Makes sense, both the privacy and not wanting to use your sleeping bed for this sort of thing. And yes, there are some great pho places in Ottawa.

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They arrive smelling like cupcakes... they will melt all weird if they are left in contact with each other though :gonk:

It's only a matter of time until someone makes a melted dildo statue of a dildo. And it will smell like cupcakes.

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Feb 25, 2008

Very Nice Eraser posted:

What is 'pho' - did I miss it?

Vietnamese soup, it's incredibly good. And possibly a hint about the identity of the friend, if she's Vietnamese and has a tattoo of a snake on her right upper arm, then I know her*.


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Edit: The question of using a goon's living room for camming made me imagine you online with a customer as a stereotypical neckbeard in boxers holding a turkey leg slowly wanders through the background of the scene. Hot!

I know it would be great, turkey leg in one hand, gravy boat in the other. Just staring.

*E: and not in a creepy way, we went to school together

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

Does that make sense?

It makes enough sense for porn to be made of it, though that is a pretty low bar.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

If I move to Ottawa you can be my porno accomplice, caregiver, and camera man while I'm in a camming cycle. In a stripping cycle your duties will include driving me to and from work, cooking and cleaning up after me, and possibly servicing my friends sexually.

It seems really horrible and tedious to me but I think that other people are really into the idea. It is a paid position, btw. I know it seems like this is kind of tongue and cheek but I'm being absolutely serious.

I'm down like clown with a frown.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

The people who spend that much on me have very similar interests and are people who I invest a lot of time in outside of the club. One of them texts with me almost daily, the other is just lonely and hungry for companionship. I offer them both a girlfriend experience where I remember / communicate with them outside of the club, bring them comics / dvds that they might be interested in... it's mostly just that they know that they mean something to me. I guess that is "exceptional service" but not really... it's just part of doing my job that I guess I do really well.

How seperate are your business and personal lives? You mentioned the deployed soldier, do you ever worry about this sort of customer getting too attached?

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Feb 25, 2008
I've heard of girls getting eaten out in backrooms and more than a few who basically used their job as advertising for their prostitution, how far have you seen things go at a club?

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Feb 25, 2008

VirtualStranger posted:

If prostitution were ever decriminalized, do you think that there would be a large drop in demand for strip clubs?

I think it's a lot like drugs, the people who want to do them will find a way whether or not it's legal and the people who like a beer after work won't switch to coke just because it became legal. If anything, I'd guess "massage parlors" would take a big hit, but even then, they'd probably just turn into full on brothels.



luscious posted:

Stripclubs are a social environment where people go to look at pretty ladies and be entertained.

The handful of strip clubs I've been to were fairly dark, with loud music, and had very expensive drinks, none of that really made it feel like a social experience to me. Burlesque shows, on the other hand have had a fun, relaxed atmosphere where it felt like everyone, preformers and audience, were in on the joke. Strip clubs basically seem to take "lol boobs" way to seriously, any thoughts on that?

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

I'd say that the social aspect is more "we're going to the club!" than anything else. Maybe it's not... I'm just going on what I see / the dynamics that bring guys in.


I can definitely see it as a social thing for the guys going, when my friends and I turned 18 part of the experience was being old enough to go to Hull and hit up some strip clubs and buying each other stage dives. I thought you meant it was social between you and the customers, which isn't something I've experienced at a club, but probably does happen with regular customers.

luscious posted:


Strippers and burlesque dancers don't generally get along but I just woke up and will let you either do your own digging to see why / how deep that is or will tell you later.


Some quick googling makes it seem like the issue is burlesque dancers thinking their better for offering a different service. The most sense I can make out of it is they aren't really comfortable with what they're doing and want to distance themselves from the sex industry, which is pretty dumb, considering that their job is to get on stage and pander their sexuality. One page I skimmed over claimed that the difference was theatricality and personality, and I have to say, any stripper that doesn't pull those off probably isn't a very good stripper.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

Welllllllll ok. Here's the thing. I think that every stripper can be a good stripper in his or her own way as long as she understands how to work her own hustle.

That's exactly what I meant by personality and theatrics.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

Smoke and mirrors can make a sweet personality. Like I said, it's all about the fantasy so sometimes I think that they're into the whole "can't speak English" or whatever because they like the idea of a girl who can't say no, won't say no, seems desperate, seems unhappy, seems happy... I dunno.

Oh yeah, I wouldn't expect the personality a stripper presents to be her actual personality, anyone good at customer service knows you need to put on the right mask for the right customer.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

I dunno... I don't really have a stripper persona. What you see if what you get. I do pretend to be more interested in certain things for certain customers but I am not good at playing games and pretending to be other people. It does cut my money a bit but not enough that I care to try harder. I mean, acting all day all night is too much - especially when you work at the same club for a long time. It's kinda hard to lie for three years...

I wouldn't go as far as calling it lying or pretending to be someone else. I used to work retail and I'd behave differently for different customers, if it was a frail 80 year old woman, my body language and way of speaking would be very different than if it was someone my age, or a tradesman, or anything else that gave me a hint as to what would meet their expectations.

E: it worked well too, some people would look specifically for me and at a job where people don't get tips, I got more than a few tips.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

I sometimes do kill the fantasy if the customer is really getting out of bounds and thinks that something is happening that isn't. Again, I don't care if that cuts my business... I want to be on the same page with my customers when the outcome might become sexual assault / rape, y'know?

Yeah, for sure, I have no doubt you know what you're doing and all of my customer service experince has come from very different environments than what you work in, so it doesn't quite relate. I find the similarities and differences between sex work and other types of service pretty interesting.

Do you think your work has given you any transferable skills?

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

Sorry to bump this but I believe that I came across the best person in the world tonight


This was all one sided... I wasn't even acknowledging or showing him anything at all :allears:

I really want to know who this "he" putting the guy's dick in your rear end pussy is. Would he? It adds a whole layer of mystery.

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Feb 25, 2008
How big a risk is on stage accidents for preformers? I don't think I've ever heard of a stripper breaking something on stage or coming off, but considering how many people die in bathrooms every year, it seems like someone must be occasionally taking a serious fall. Is there insurance they could get, and/or would the club have any responsibility?

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

No and no. If you injure yourself you are pretty much SOL. Club will not take any responsibility (and I have never worked at a club where I didn't have to sign some kind of huge contract stating as much) and yah good luck trying to get workers comp.

But would that stand up in court? I've signed some of those myself, for paintball, and remember being told that you can't sign away your right to a safe environment, something I think would be even more true for a work place. My boss could have me sign every waver imaginable but if the terms on them aren't legal they might as well be toilet paper, from what I understand. I guess it would be better to ask in the legal questions thread, but it's an interesting idea.

It would be pretty funny if a court ruled strip clubs were unsafe and required every stage to be surrounded by gym mats and every stripper to wear a helmet.

E: And every stripper who has change thrown at them should have to wear an old time goalie mask. It would be the most popular fetish in Canada.

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen and I have worked for clubs that were owned by bikers.

I've heard The Silver Dollar is run by Hells Angels, but for all I know they might just hang out there. Are clubs like that safer than regular ones?

From what I've been told, their areas tend to be fairly peaceful, as any criminal who wants to keep walking knows not to poo poo where Angels eat. My mom even knows someone who's house was emptied in a B&E, only to have a u-haul bring everything back that night and get an apology for allowing such a disgraceful thing to happen in one of their neighborhoods.

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Feb 25, 2008

TheSpiritFox posted:

Even the cops leave you alone when you're out walking a golden retriever. Or they stop and ask you how old your dog is and ask if they can pet him, and then leave you alone.

I kinda miss Austin.

To be fair, I'd say someone of any gender would be fairly safe walking a 80lb dog. Dog walkers are usually the one's who find the bodies, not the one's who become them.

E: dog chat= dog pic

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Feb 25, 2008

luscious posted:


In non rape news: I've decided to pursue astral projection as a fetish.

So you arrange a time and place with a client, then they pretend you're there, invisible, watching them while they masterbate? You have the best weirdest job ever.

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Feb 25, 2008

razorrozar posted:

Just occurred to me: Why would an ostensibly straight guy know the exact length of four of his friends' cocks? Obviously he was just BS-ing dirty talk, but how could that come off as sexy? Is this something friends are supposed to tell each other now? I don't know how long any of my friends' dicks are.

I'm pretty sure it's dirty talk from a guy who watches so much porn he'd rather fantasize about watching a 'friend' with a 13" dick, than taking a role himself. It's kind of a shame our porn saturated society can create that sort of disconnection in someone's sexuality, but maybe he's just trying to find the most acceptable way to think about giant black dicks, while still being 'straight'.


And the reason to know a friend's dick size is obvious. Lets say there a serial dick chopper in your area and your friends' dicks are cut off, and they need you to identify who's is who's. If you have an in depth knowledge of their lengths and girths, you'll be able to return the dicks to their proper owners, but if you don't, you could mix them all up and potentially ruin lives. That wouldn't be being a very good friend.

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Feb 25, 2008
Any thought's on this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/prostitution-bill-critics-treated-as-hostile-witnesses-at-committee-1.2704434


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After sitting through more than 16 hours of often heart-wrenching witness testimony, Conservative MPs voted to make just one substantive change Tuesday to Justice Minister Peter MacKay's bid to rewrite Canada's prostitution laws, by narrowing the proposed blanket ban on "public communications" related to sex work to apply only to areas near playgrounds, schoolyards and daycare centres.

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Ambler was particularly perturbed by the Liberals and NDP submitting the names of two witnesses that, she argued, had no business sharing their views on the proposed legislation: University of Victoria researcher Chris Atchison and the Adult Entertainment Association of Canada.

"This is the same Adult Entertainment Association of Canada that, when our government shut down their access to vulnerable overseas women, launched a campaign to recruit 18-year-old high school girls to work in their clubs," Ambler said in her statement.

As for Atchison, described in Ambler's release as a "sociologist": "[He] believes that 'victimization is a two-way street,' and that men who exploit vulnerable prostitutes (who he calls members of the 'sex-buying community') need to be 'understood' and treated in a 'non-judgmental' way," Ambler wrote.

At no point during the appearances of either Atchison or Adult Entertainment Industry Association president Tim Lambrinos did Ambler — or any other Conservative MP — challenge their participation in the process, or confront either witness directly about the claims made in her release.

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Natasha Potvin, a former sex worker who now volunteers with the Victoria-based sex worker support group PEERS, testified on Thursday. In her opening statement, she stressed that the 15 years she spent in the sex trade — from age 21 to 37 — were entirely voluntary.
It was my choice — a choice I made on behalf of my daughter, and I was proud of it," she said, adding that it was also her choice to share her story with the committee.

Calling her a victim, she said, "is to ignore and denigrate my reality, and does not take my choice into account."

Potvin insisted she has been a victim of discrimination based on that choice. She was visited by child protective services officials, who threatened to take her son away because she was a sex worker. She said that experience left her "very reluctant" to disclose her profession.

"I felt very alone, and without any defences. If anything had happened to me, I wouldn't have reported it."

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Ambler, however, seemed more interested in discrediting Potvin than asking her to expand on her concerns.

"[You] mentioned that you liked some of your clients, and liked some of them less, but that, overall you're proud of your choice, and that it's worked for you in your life," she noted.

"The way you tell it, frankly, it sounds like, you know, a TV sitcom about happy hookers, and I just can't reconcile this with the other things I've heard."



Seems like once again our fine Conservative party is sparing us expert and experienced opinion in favour of hearsay and bullshit.

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