9/11 Trutherism and what I just can't figure out about the conspiracy crowd

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Chromatic Toucanet: Jan 18, 2012; A monochromatic toucanet.

Nobody in the thread has yet mentioned Dr Judy Woods, and her book "Where Did The Towers Go?" in which she claims that it wasn't hijacked airliners or a controlled demolition, but the World Trade Center was in fact destroyed by (wait for it) a secret US Government laser weapon. It is definitely the most out-there theory I have ever come across.

Prestor John, if you are still kicking about, have you had much experience with this particular flavor of Truther? My own experience is pretty limited; I watched a weekly low budget conspiracy show in the UK hosted by a guy called Richard D. Hall who wholly endorsed it and featured Dr Woods and her theories in a number of episodes, as well as plugging her book every chance he got. You can watch all the episodes online but brace yourself for crazy coming at you from every direction (UFOs, CIA mind control, free energy, fluoridation, chemtrails, paleocontact, King Arthur, pyramid mysteries, everything).

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Chromatic Toucanet: Jan 18, 2012; A monochromatic toucanet.

Well, it seems Mr. Hall is in a camp all of his own then. His version of events includes both actual planes hitting the towers (although he believes they were remote controlled drones painted to look like airliners) AND the low orbit ion cannon. He actually did some original work debunking the planes as holograms / faked video footage theories, producing some 3D simulations of the two planes' flight paths. Oh, and he is pretty venomous about the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth group, despite formerly being of the opinion that it was indeed a controlled demolition involving thermite. Having watched his show for a good few years, it has been interesting to see him slide further and further down the rabbit hole of crazy. I'm a little sad that I wont be able to any more, because his show was cancelled after a particularly controversial episode where his guest Nick Kollerstrom (who has a lot of opinions about the Falklands war and the 7/7 bombings) claimed that the murder of Private Lee Rigby was staged by MI6.

I absolutely cannot get enough of conspiracy nuts' infighting, it is immensely entertaining. Can we talk about Charlie Veitch and his stunning 180 in regards to 9/11? That Vice article suggests that it was quite the explosive revelation in the Truther movement.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2013 22:02

Chromatic Toucanet: Jan 18, 2012; A monochromatic toucanet.

Phyzzle posted:

That reminds me of Anglo Isrealism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

The ten lost tribes of Israel eventually made their way to Britain, the real promised land (berit is a Hebrew word for promise) while the remaining Israelites interbred with other Middle Eastern races. Thus the real God's chosen people were white people all along.

Not just that, but it turns out that everyone (including the Rosetta Stone) has been translating Egyptian hieroglyphics wrong all these years, and the secret to unlocking their true meaning can only be found in the DEFINITELY NOT FORGED Welsh "Druidic" Coelbren alphabet. Once you know what the hieroglyphs really say, they talk about Moses and the Lost Tribes. Also, if you squint hard enough, you can turn a whole bunch of other carved stones across Europe into Coelbren which describe their migration to Britain. Things you stand to learn once you've taken this particular red pill include;

The Romans never invaded Britain, it was actually Britain which liberated swathes of Europe from the Roman Empire under the Welsh King Arthur the First (because there were two, both Welsh)
Both of these King Arthurs were descended from Jesus, who wasn't crucified and actually settled in Wales to start a Da Vinci Code style Holy Bloodline which also includes Emperor Constantine
There is no such thing as Celts
Britain invented Christianity
Madog ab Owain Gwynedd, a Welsh prince (and relative of the King Arthurs and therefore Jesus) discovered and settled America 3 centuries before Columbus

And all this "true British history" has been relentlessly suppressed by the English and their false monarchy for reasons.

# ¿ Sep 16, 2013 14:10

Chromatic Toucanet: Jan 18, 2012; A monochromatic toucanet.

E-Tank posted:

It's loving occam's razor. If you want to terrorize your populous into doing what-the-gently caress ever you want, keep it loving simple and easy to explain. You can explain that a bunch of terrorists set up bombs and blew them the gently caress up all over the country, easy. There's hardly any holes, hardly any way anyone can make a credible conspiracy theory solely in that plan. Hell, you can defuse a few of them and be the great heroes!

Logically it makes no sense to make up this grandiose scheme that could be hosed up if one small little thing goes wrong, unless literally everybody is in on it. There has not been one person coming forwards to say that they were part of the op to put bombs in the WTC, There has not been one person whom has said that they were part of this conspiracy. Do you honestly think that all the people that had to be paid off for this to happen, would not have a crisis of conscience? They are after all responsible for the biggest mass murder in the history of this nation.

If you want to discuss conspiracy theories that are full of holes, and bullshit logic, then we're going to point out the holes and bullshit logic. If you continue to try and peddle them even though they've been proven to be poo poo, we're going to make fun of you. There's no real malice behind it, it's just kind of what SA does when confronted with refusal to listen to logic.

Forget a crisis of conscience, if someone credible came forward and laid out the grand shadow government conspiracy to thermite the towers they would get super famous and be on every talk show and news channel in the developed world. I find it really hard to believe that nobody involved thought to themselves "oh boy think of the book deal I could get out of blowing the whistle on this poo poo"

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