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Mortabis posted:I'm not sure what you're confused about, was something I said unclear? Maybe I'm not understanding you, but you seem to be conflating homosexuality and pedophilia 
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chellesandcheese posted:Cersei's valonqar prophecy from when she was a kid. Well, it doesn't explicitly say they're gonna die while Cersei's alive. All men must die, right? ... JUST LET ME HOPE, GODDAMMIT! 
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Sep 17, 2013 21:32
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"Gold their shrouds" could mean anything! Maybe it just means they'll die Baratheons!
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Sep 17, 2013 21:34
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Goddamn brilliant new title.hobbesmaster posted:"Gold their shrouds" could mean anything! Maybe it just means they'll die Baratheons! Poor Tommen 
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Sep 17, 2013 21:46
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How many known bastards of Robert are/were there? Is it 13? Or 16? edit quote:Although Robert Baratheon is known to have fathered - according to Maggy the Frog's prophecy - at least sixteen bastards, only one has been acknowledged. Varys admits to knowing of eight. Five have been seen by POV characters, while two others have been mentioned only in passing. Because of how Eddard words Robert's will, Cersei begins a campaign to kill all of Robert's bastards, but Tyrion stops it after an ugly scene with Barra's mother fighting to protect the baby. They are listed in approximate age order. The wiki seems to say that all of Robert's children are bastards, which means they are taking the angle that Cersei's children are not Roberts? FogHelmut fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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Sep 17, 2013 21:51
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FogHelmut posted:The wiki seems to say that all of Robert's children are bastards, which means they are taking the angle that Cersei's children are not Roberts? Wait, Cersei's children aren't Robert's? When did GRRM slip that piece of information in?  This changes everything. Aertuun fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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Sep 17, 2013 21:58
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FogHelmut posted:The wiki seems to say that all of Robert's children are bastards, which means they are taking the angle that Cersei's children are not Roberts? You're lucky this is the Spoiler thread buddy.
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Sep 17, 2013 21:59
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CumFart Gurantee posted:Maybe I'm not understanding you, but you seem to be conflating homosexuality and pedophilia Simmer down. If I were conflating the two I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of describing him as both.
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Sep 17, 2013 22:15
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FogHelmut posted:How many known bastards of Robert are/were there? Is it 13? Or 16? ... You're joking, right?
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Sep 17, 2013 22:58
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MD2020 posted:Facts about Lyn Corbay: Is it Jerry Sandusky?
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Sep 17, 2013 23:20
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:This would be the perfect opportunity for him to sport a blue forked beard. Cover up the recasting through distraction. To troll book readers, Dany will suggest that he would look better with a colored beard and will dye it for him while having sex and while Ser Barrastan watches and gives her more backstory about Rhaegar. Jorah will be crying just outside her tent.
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Sep 17, 2013 23:30
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GonSmithe posted:... You're joking, right? I think he's trying to ask whether or not his "legitimate" children count as his bastards? I have no clue.
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Sep 17, 2013 23:46
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They'd be Jaime's bastards. Maggy's prophecy is clear enough, Cersei has 3 children, Robert 16. The other 8 bastards have not been encountered and it's safe to assume that Robert himself didn't know about them either, it certainly doesn't count the incest children among Robert's children.
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Sep 17, 2013 23:53
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Unkempt posted:How about this Forum user Maximum Sexy Pigeon looks dangerously close to this in real life.
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Sep 17, 2013 23:57
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hellbastard posted:Forum user Maximum Sexy Pigeon looks dangerously close to this in real life. Change the hat... Also, account for wind factor. 
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Sep 18, 2013 00:35
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Mortabis posted:I just reread one of the Sansa chapters from AFFC, the one where the lords of the Vale try to unseat littlefinger and there's something I can't believe I missed the first time through: uh, is Lyn Corbray a pedophile? Cause Littlefinger says something about him having "simple tastes," specifically money, little boys, and blood. Yes, I can't believe you missed this either.
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Sep 18, 2013 01:07
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So here's a thing I literally just realized: Y'know Quaithe's constant warnings to "beware the perfumed sceneschal"? And how Dany assumes it means Reznak, because that is literally what he is, and he betrays her? Tyrion's ship is the Selaesori Qhoran, which means "Fragrant Steward". Which are synonyms for "perfumed sceneschal". Huh.
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Sep 18, 2013 01:32
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CapnAndy posted:So here's a thing I literally just realized: Y'know Quaithe's constant warnings to "beware the perfumed sceneschal"? And how Dany assumes it means Reznak, because that is literally what he is, and he betrays her? The ship also had Moquorro, the red priest now in Victarion's service.
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Sep 18, 2013 01:40
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The thing with that is that it's a piss poor warning as the ship itself doesn't reach Meereen, and even if the warning does apply to the ship and its passengers it's still unclear whether the warning refers to Jorah, Tyrion or Moqorro (and hence Victarion), or perhaps to all three. Additionally as you pointed out, Reznak is implicated in Hizdahr's poisoning attempt and betrays Dany. In short, Quaithe sucks and her warnings are all useless.
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Sep 18, 2013 01:43
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Prophecy is a weird thing because if the outcome it predicts can't be changed then you are essentially immortal and unstoppable until the stars line up accordingly...If it can be changed, then it serves only as a warning and it's difficult to decide whether or not it was ever supernatural to begin with or just a manipulation. If it's lacking in detail it doesn't really help you out too much. "Beware the perfumed seneschal" can be because he/she will kill you or because he/she will take a poo poo, not wipe their rear end properly, and make you sick to your stomach. Therefore to a character "in-universe", ignore prophecy.
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Sep 18, 2013 01:51
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In other news, GRRM is still doing things other than writing TWOW, this time he's watching Breaking Bad. http://grrm.livejournal.com/337511.html (mostly Emmy chat, no real BB spoilers) Bryan Cranston will make an awesome Bloodraven.
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Sep 18, 2013 02:08
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I think what Quaithe sees is accurate at the time, but people acting with free will can change it. Her list of incoming visitors to Mereen includes "lion and griffin", which absolutely was the case until Tyrion got it in his head to tell Aegon to go straight to Westeros. What does Melisandre say about viewing the future? It's like shadows, right? One future can cast many shadows, just some are more likely than others.
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Sep 18, 2013 02:35
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Dolash posted:The marriage isn't consummated yet, though, which makes it much easier to break off. Which I'm honestly expecting out of Margaery if Aegon takes Storm's End and makes a move on King's Landing - just dispose of Tommen and the decaying Lannisters, then offer to marry the returning Targaeryan King with a reminder that the Tyrells had always been their loyal supporters. It's not like she could marry Dany, after all, Tommen's prophecised to bite it and Marg's gotta keep racking up them royal marriages. Spoilers from Winds says that Doran has sent one of his daughters with a proposal for marriage. Not exactly assured that Margery won't get a crack at a 4th claimant to the throne but makes things difficult. CapnAndy posted:I think what Quaithe sees is accurate at the time, but people acting with free will can change it. Her list of incoming visitors to Mereen includes "lion and griffin", which absolutely was the case until Tyrion got it in his head to tell Aegon to go straight to Westeros.
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Sep 18, 2013 03:06
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CapnAndy posted:What does Melisandre say about viewing the future? It's like shadows, right? One future can cast many shadows, just some are more likely than others. That's how Stannis describes it to a skeptical Davos to explain how Melisandre saw both Renly's death and Renly smashing Stannis beneath the walls of King's Landing. Or course, both prophecies came true because Renly was killed by the shadow baby and Garlan Tyrell dressed as Renly to fight at Blackwater.
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Sep 18, 2013 03:13
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emanresu tnuocca posted:In other news, GRRM is still doing things other than writing TWOW, this time he's watching Breaking Bad. In between all of his posts about the Jets sucking and some movie theater that no one outside of Santa Fe will ever visit, GRRM mentioned that ADWD will finally be out in paperback next month and include a Winds of Winter chapter (although he forgets which, so who knows if we've seen it already). He also said to expect a little tome titled "The Wit and Wisdom of Tyrion Lannister" to come out in time for Christmas. My guess is it'll be a little stocking stuffer thing with silly little quotes from the books and/or show or something like that.
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Sep 18, 2013 03:31
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That's not a guess, that's a literal item description akin to what he posted months ago when said imp-sized book was announced.
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Sep 18, 2013 03:46
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I wonder what Tyrion's best witticisms are, perhaps "Come, wife, time to smash your portcullis. I want to play come-in-to-the-castle"? Or maybe "Will you give me your name? No? Well I suppose I shall settle for your oval office." emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Sep 18, 2013 |
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Sep 18, 2013 03:47
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:That's not a guess, that's a literal item description akin to what he posted months ago when said imp-sized book was announced. Oh, had there already been an announcement for it? Never saw it before now. Not that it really matters much in the grand scheme of things. The upcoming Dance of the Dragons novella and giant histories of Westeros coffee table table book are much more interesting to me. And Winds of Winter of course, but we're more likely to see a new Salinger book before that ever comes out.
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Ballz posted:Oh, had there already been an announcement for it? Never saw it before now. Not that it really matters much in the grand scheme of things. The upcoming Dance of the Dragons novella and giant histories of Westeros coffee table table book are much more interesting to me. And Winds of Winter of course, but we're more likely to see a new Salinger book before that ever comes out. That's rather pessimistic, considering that Salinger is dead.
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Ballz posted:Oh, had there already been an announcement for it? Never saw it before now. Not that it really matters much in the grand scheme of things. The upcoming Dance of the Dragons novella and giant histories of Westeros coffee table table book are much more interesting to me. And Winds of Winter of course, but we're more likely to see a new Salinger book before that ever comes out. It's lovely from a fan's perspective, but I get where he's coming from, he's had a massive surge in popularity might as well rack up some sweet cash while you can.
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Yureina posted:That's rather pessimistic, considering that Salinger is dead. Didn't stop Tupac.
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Sep 18, 2013 07:11
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The Unnamed One posted:Didn't stop Tupac. And I mean, technically it didn't stop Frank Herbert, for what its worth 
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Sep 18, 2013 07:17
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Ballz posted:Oh, had there already been an announcement for it? Never saw it before now. Not that it really matters much in the grand scheme of things. The upcoming Dance of the Dragons novella and giant histories of Westeros coffee table table book are much more interesting to me. And Winds of Winter of course, but we're more likely to see a new Salinger book before that ever comes out. I have no idea if you're being facetious or not, but there are actually several new, previously unpublished works of Salinger that are set to be released.
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Corny posted:And I mean, technically it didn't stop Frank Herbert, for what its worth Or Tolkien 
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Sep 18, 2013 07:49
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emanresu tnuocca posted:They'd be Jaime's bastards. Is the child Cersei and Robert had together (the one with black hair who died as a baby) a show-only invention?
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Sep 18, 2013 12:55
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Fatkraken posted:Is the child Cersei and Robert had together (the one with black hair who died as a baby) a show-only invention? Yup.
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Sep 18, 2013 13:40
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If you ever feel sorry for Cersei for any reason, it's probably thanks to the show. 
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Sep 18, 2013 13:42
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Book Cersei sure is a mustache twirling villain. Remember that Jaime chapter where he recalls how Cersei was super horny after Ned executed Lady?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:If you ever feel sorry for Cersei for any reason, it's probably thanks to the show. Almost felt bad reading her chapter in ADWD, also the epilogue. She was almost like a real person in the epilogue! Maybe it was just the kittens though.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:They'd be Jaime's bastards. This is what I was trying to say. It has been put forward in the past, and this isn't something I made up, that Joffrey, Myrcella, and Tommen are Jamie and Cersei's children. Considering their blond hair, and what with the seed being strong and all that. I was just wondering if all of Robert's black haired bastards had been accounted for. Then you double down with the idea that Cersei and Jamie are secret Targs, whereby Aerys the Mad King was their father (it's a stretch - it's not a whole lot more than he saying he wanted to bang Joanna Lannister at her wedding to Tywin, Jamie and Cersei's ultra-blond hair, and their affinity for incest), and Robert may not have been that much of a usurper afterall.
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