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Baron FU posted:My biggest problem with GTA games and driving is the fact that you are supposed to hold down W and either A/D while also holding down S for breaking while turning. I can't see how that's good controls. Err, no, you aren't supposed to use S to break while turning. That's the regular rear end break that isn't very useful for much and is mostly for reversing. You handbreak through turns, which I had on space.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Err, no, you aren't supposed to use S to break while turning. That's the regular rear end break that isn't very useful for much and is mostly for reversing. You handbreak through turns, which I had on space. Well poo poo. Everytime I used space it just led to me crashing since I couldn't compensate properly with digital controls. It's a pretty pointless derail since luckily on PC I have the to choice to use a controller.
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Baron FU posted:Well poo poo. Everytime I used space it just led to me crashing since I couldn't compensate properly with digital controls. It's hard to compensate even with analog controls, especially in GTA4.  In SA, the handbreak causes you to oversteer less the more you upgrade your driving skill, but I got pretty good at getting just the right amount to drift me through corners. You really just have to tap it once. (this goes for any control method)
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:It's hard to compensate even with analog controls, especially in GTA4. I never had any problems driving/flying after switching to controller. And luckily you can get mods that make the Xbox controller works perfectly with the older GTA games as well.
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BigFatFlyingBloke posted:I'm not sure that "console" is really a valid term with the switch to X86-64 this generation. It's more a case of "closed" pc or "open" pc. What does the architecture have to do with that terminology? That's like saying I should refer to my Roku as an immobile smartphone because it has an ARM chip in it. All 3 last gen consoles had some variant of PowerPC chip in them, so are they retroactively iMacs? 
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I think one of the best point of Mantle, from my understanding, is that it is trying to fill the same gap as DirectX while being multi platform instead of stuck to Windows. I guess this means it's way easier to port a game to the other supported platforms. One of the big work to do when you have a DirectX game is that you need to replace all those calls by OpenGL procedures. Also if I remember correctly DirectX is higher level than OpenGL so you basically have to rewrite some stuff completely. Also Mantle being open means that it is not necessarily Nvidia that could take it and add support for their hardware but basically anyone, the guys doing Nouveau for example could do it. Is that correct or am I way off base here? Le0 fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Low-level APIs like Mantle basically spit out machine code for the GPU. This isn't going to be usable by other graphics manufacturers because their architectures are so different. It isn't like x86 processors, which have remained compatible with each other because of extensive cross-licensing. The specifics of a GPU's design are generally abstracted away by APIs like Direct3D or OpenGL, which makes code portable across different hardware, but that comes at the price of performance. The Dark One fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Sep 27, 2013 11:24
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The Dark One posted:Low-level APIs like Mantle basically spit out machine code for the GPU. This isn't going to be usable by other graphics manufacturers because their architectures are so different. Considering that the only other manufacturers are Intel and NVIDIA, and that currently AMD have a total monopoly on the future home console market with PS4 and XBONE both using AMD GPUs, it could become a thing. Hell, since the two consoles use virtually identical architectures it may be simpler to code for Mantle first and port to DX/OpenGL for PC afterwards for NVIDIA and Intel cards, including the Mantle code for AMD GPUs.
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Veotax posted:Eh, R.O.B. ins't really the same thing. Wasn't it just made to trick US stores into carrying the NES as a toy because no one wanted to touch video game consoles after Atari crashed the market? They never dropped out of the "Console War", they've literally been making actual toys this whole time. This has gently caress all to do with a Valve, though. It always weirds me out when people say they'd make a good combination, Valve makes PC products for 18+ year olds and Nintendo's most profitable toy has been Pokémon. For 17 years. I feel old.
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I don't understand what Mantle or x86's are, so I'm just going to go ahead and say there's going to be a fourth and final countdown in the middle where the tv screen is.
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quakster posted:This has gently caress all to do with a Valve, though. It always weirds me out when people say they'd make a good combination, Valve makes PC products for 18+ year olds and Nintendo's most profitable toy has been Pokémon. For 17 years. I feel old.
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senseinobu posted:Yeah, but can't you imagine it. Pokemon with hats.   What could have been...
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quakster posted:It was always a possibility. Now you just made me picture Pikachu with Scruffy from Futurama's voice.
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It would be cool for Japan to "get it",to understand the PC. But I don't think is going to happend. I would love to, because I love the PC, and I have a lot of sympathy for Japan, and It hurts me the stagnation that suffers Japan. But If I am realist, I don't think this (or anything) is going to change how the country works. And we don't really need to. A Japan that love the PC already exist, and is called Korea. So we already know what could be a Japan with love for a open platform. So Pokemen with Hats crossover... More like Samsung made Steambox. Or chinese made android phones. Tei fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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Tei posted:It would be cool for Japan to "get it",to understand the PC. But I don't think is going to happend. I would love to, because I love the PC, and I have a lot of sympathy for Japan, and It hurts me the stagnation that suffers Japan. But If I am realist, I don't think this (or anything) is going to change how the country works. The big problem with PC Gaming in Japan is that it's almost inseparable from hentai games. Even the equivalents to Best Buy in Japan have a ratio of something like 3 Hentai games for every 1 non-hentai game, while those types of games are specifically forbidden on consoles in much the same way that any game that gets an AO rating here won't get a console release. It's fairly common for Westerners who travel to Japan and tell people they play PC games to get weird looks unless they specify that's not what they mean.
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univbee posted:Now you just made me picture Pikachu with Scruffy from Futurama's voice. Pika, pika. Mmmhmm.
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Baron FU posted:Totally agree. It's also why I find some PC gamers claim that mouse and keyboard is more "precise" for anything and everything dumb as hell. Analog is clearly the superior control form for driving in games much like mouse/keyboard is for shooters. Nobody's forcing anyone to use a gamepad at this point but if anyone's still holding out on buying a $25 360 gamepad based on  idealism it's time to grow up. It's unironically a much better player experience in many games because it's the control scheme targeted by the developers and your left hand controls at the very least really benefit from analog input that a keyboard cannot currently provide.
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gggiiimmmppp posted:Nothing is preventing you from using your choice of controls, but expecting developers to design every game around both control schemes is equally ridiculous. M+K is great for some games/playstyles, gamepads are perfect for others, and it's not 1:1. FC3 is a great example because I can play it happily on either control scheme but my playstyle changes dramatically- with M+K I want to play it like a shooter, and with the gamepad I avoid shooting and become a stealth bastard killing everything with takedowns. Vehicle/wingsuit controls are just awful on M+K in comparison, though, which consistently drove me back to the gamepad. Yeah it is kind of unavoidable in some games now, the mouse as the only analog device doesn't replace things like analog triggers. I still would never play anything that involved aiming a gun with a controller. Frankly, the arcade stick is the best controller imaginable, and I use it whenever possible over both keyboard and pad. I kinda hate unnecessary analog controls. 
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If there were analog triggers for both gas and brakes on the left side, leaving the right hand free to use a mouse at the same time as desired, that could solve all sorts of problems and maybe even make the 4 thumb buttons on my G700 useful to replace the rest of the gamepad  .
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Paradox and Double Fine both support SteamOS, both by having games that run on Linux and the idea behind SteamOS. Not AAA developers/publishers, but it's nice to see some support for it. http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/09/26/paradox-steamos-is-a-great-thing-for-pc-gaming-confirms-ck2-and-eu4-will-run-natively/ http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/09/27/double-fine-were-rooting-for-valve-and-steamos/
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10 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUo1PgKksgw
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I feel like somewhere someone is queuing up itshappening.gif and hoping.
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That's weird. That is a weird controller.
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A steam controller, with touch pads instead of sticks.
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Hahaha, Valve recognizes the Euro Truck Simulator 2 craze.
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Half Life 3: A Controller People are going to be so mad about this. Some guy I play TF2 with was 100% certain the third announcement was going to be Half Life 3.
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That controller is called Half Life 3, this a deep, deep level of meta-troll. 
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That controller looks uncomfortable.
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Well so much for that modular design. Still though, looks, uh, promising?
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This is not a gamepad I'd like to play most of my games with.
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Holy poo poo, I saw a post here on SA the other day about how it might be a dual trackpad controller and I thought it was the dumbest thing I ever heard. Egg all over my face.
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No tactile feedback, no thanks.
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Dolphin posted:That controller looks uncomfortable. Agreed, but I'll reserve final judgement until I hold one and play with it for a bit. I trust Valve enough that the ergonomics may look off but are likely fine.
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Valve is a pretty smart company but that thing looks like garbage, welp! Good thing steamboxes will accept any controller...
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Startyde posted:No tactile feedback, no thanks. Read the announcement, they have some crazy souped up haptic feedback solution.
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:Holy poo poo, I saw a post here on SA the other day about how it might be a dual trackpad controller and I thought it was the dumbest thing I ever heard. Egg all over my face.
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I think I'm fine with my Xbox 360 controller. I've experienced the joy of mashing my thumbs against flat surfaces before, it's called iphone gaming, and it's incredibly joyless. e: Also how can it be supported by all games on Steam, what if you have to type to progress in a game? The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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I hate everything about this, from the trackpad, to the touchscreen, to the pointless announcement, to requiring dev support for a 3rd control scheme besides KB+M and regular controllers. Edit: How very wrong I was about Source2 announcement. 
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