kevin mung posted:

I don't know if I'm crazy or whatever but this game seems to look (and run) way worse with settings maxed than BF3, like everything is crazy blurry and the map itself really barren and ugly. Also the UI is massive and cluttered, I feel like the target audience was 90 year olds. The HUD scale in the options only seemed to affect a few things.

I don't remember the BF3 beta being this straight up janky and unpleasant, this feels like a busted rear end expansion pack so far. I might be crazy though if someone feels like refreshing my memory.

General Battuta posted:

One thing I haven't seen much talk about - or even noticed myself lately - are the excellent run animations. I never really noticed the ANT technology poo poo in BF3, but if you watch an enemy turn sharply, there's actually some pretty cool stuff going on with the leg animation and the way the character shifts his weight.

It hasn't popped out to me since I turned my graphics way down, so maybe it's setting-dependent. Anyone else noticed it?

Enigma89 posted:

So as someone who likes more slower paced 'tactical shooters' is this game worth a shot or is it a very CODesque type of game?

I played BF2 for years and never went to BF3 because I did not see Project Reality or Forgotten Hope get ported over.

I don't know if I am just becoming a bitter old man but I am getting burnt out of all the twitch shooters.

Naturally Selected posted:

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Battlefield_4

Always count on the spergs over at IMFDB to mine literally every piece of gun-related info out of anything and everything, god bless 'em.

E: They have the AUG-A3 and the Super shorty. gently caress yo' MTAR.

Not too hot on all the Galil's and CZs, though. And seriously what the hell is the SAR-21 doing in this game

Edit 2: Ended up reading about the SAR-21 and it's a pretty hilarious system.


It's like the tediore of real guns! Just make sure to be the leftmost guy in any formation.

some guy following a chat with a DICE guy posted:

Hey all.

As some of you were aware, Darklord was on the Mordor chat earlier today, and as usual people bombarded him with questions. However, the answers received, and the information given was not expected at all.

There are 3 presets in Battlefield 4;

Official - Your run of the mill, 'normal' mode. This contains 3d spotting, audio spotting, full ttk, ammo pool system, etc etc. What we've come to expect of the 'new' Battlefield games.

Ranked - I'll come to this (literally) in a second.

Unranked - Servers with admin scripts, like limited amounts of guns, not being allowed to do certain things etc. blah blah you get the gist.

DICE CONFIRMED THERE IS NO 'CLASSIC' PRESET FOR THOSE OF YOU STILL CONFUSED. If you look at the title, I said 'Classic preset settings'. We will not directly be able to filter for a preset with all these things already enabled/disabled by default, however the options that we would've liked to have seen in a classic preset are made available to us whilst still keeping the server ranked. I see little to no difference in this, provided the way we can search for certain filters in Battlefield 4 remains the same in Battlefield 3. Just tick and cross a few boxes and hey presto, we've basically got classic mode.


So what is in Ranked mode?
Ranked mode provides stat tracked, ranked gameplay with changes to the 'core' game. This is so that when people use the auto search feature, they aren't dropped into a match they wouldn't be comfortable in. The people looking for ranked games, would know full well what they're searching for.
What makes this so great however, is how much we can customize whilst keeping the game ranked.

The following, which we've been asking for in a 'classic' preset are available in ranked mode, whilst keeping stat tracking and ranking available;

3d spotting on/off - Turning it off immediately makes the server label 'hardcore'
magazine pool as opposed to ammo pool
health regen on/off - DarkLord wasn't sure whether this also included vehicles.
Squad leader spawning only on/off
Change the ticket bleed rate - Please make it like Bad Company 1, where if you had all flags capped, it was a known loss.


Having all unlocks in the server is unfortunately an 'unranked' setting. I'm sorry I got it mixed up with a different message he posted in the chat. Sorry for the confusion.

So I know what you're thinking;
"If these settings fall under 'hardcore' mode, won't we have to suffer with even lower TTK?!"
That's the beauty of it, you can set the TTK to 100% and keep the server settings, despite it being 'hardcore.' It's unconfirmed if you can make the TTK even longer, but at least we can deal with the 'normal' TTK.

So what do you think? I've probably forgotten a load of things, but that's the general gist.

You can find a copy of the chat log HERE

Battlefield 4 actually looks like a decent buy now. I can feel the cynicism and hate slowly lift from Mordor as I type this.


[EDIT] Updated the OP to contain a disclaimer about not being 'classic' preset but having classic like settings, as well as changing the chat logs to remove things Darklord messaged me to be unsure of. It's better to take things that aren't set in stone out. This is regarding the unknown console certification time and patches.

This Jacket Is Me posted:

Having never gotten into a Battlefield game before this beta, I can't imagine why anyone would want all these settings. I can see the coolness of having tons of goofy game-modifying settings in something like Unreal Tournament where you can play instagib zero-g in a gigantic bathroom, because UT is goofy twich shooter. But who the hell wants that in a modern realistic military shooter? Are there really so many people who are also so anal about settings to populate some of the weirder servers?

This Jacket Is Me posted:

Is there a list of settings that (might) be part of the final game server?

Whatever settings were used for Domination mode in the beta, is what I want to play. I certainly don't want to get shoved into games using settings that require some intimate knowledge of the franchise, or worse, not being able to connect to a server because everyone's playing some insular gametype.

dice guy posted:

There are 3 presets in Battlefield 4;

Official - Your run of the mill, 'normal' mode. This contains 3d spotting, audio spotting, full ttk, ammo pool system, etc etc. What we've come to expect of the 'new' Battlefield games.

Ranked - I'll come to this (literally) in a second.

Unranked - Servers with admin scripts, like limited amounts of guns, not being allowed to do certain things etc. blah blah you get the gist.

PittTheElder posted:

Without starting a massive derail, and also never having played BF2 where apparently it was much worse, the jets were absolutely a problem in BF3. Helicopters were great, no complaints there. But the simple fact was that if you were on the ground (infantry or vehicle), you effectively had no weapon at all that could counter a jet. There were stingers of course, but the missile was so slow that jets could just fly at top speed and it wouldn't matter. Even if you got one at the right angle and through the countermeasures, it didn't significantly damage them, so they were free to just fly away and regenerate health. On the flip side of the coin, jets had all sorts of weapons that were very effective against ground targets.


That the only real counter to a skilled jet pilot was another skilled jet pilot, which is a terrible design decision if ever I've seen one. Everyone would be equally livid if the only thing that could kill tanks were other tanks.

Improbable Lobster posted:

BF2142's VTOLs solved the skygod problem, IMHO. THey were slow enough to hit but deadly enough to be worthwhile.

Welsper posted:

Gameplay restriction scripts get the server deranked.


Terms of Service violation.

Space Hamlet posted:

But... they're not? The M16 and the AK47 for example fire different caliber bullets, and that's not even getting into ergonomics, muzzle velocity, accuracy, firing rate, and so on. In BF3 these were all identical between most of the guns.

It's kind of lame to give a game a pass on having a whole bunch of guns who are only different cosmetically, and it's even lamer to use realism as your justification for that when, duh, that's not even realistic

Space Hamlet posted:

The AK-74 was in BF3, and it's equally bollocks to suggest that that one fires the same bullets as the M16!

I barely give a poo poo about realism, I was only responding to the point about realism because it was brought up. I'm also not exclusively talking about the balance of pure damage, though I think there's room for different guns to perform better or worse and long/short range.

The question of how to make different guns behave satisfactorily differently in video games is hardly some arcane riddle, like you seem to be suggesting. It's been accomplished ever since the likes of Rainbow Six, back in 1998. Call of Duty pulls it off. Blacklight pulls it off. The Battlefields prior to BF3 pulled it off. Even BF3 pulled it off, after a patch. It's easy! You give the different guns different firing rates, different spray patterns, different bullet velocities, and so on. It's not even necessarily about differentiating them in terms of their usefulness, it's about giving them different feels. BF3 at launch is practically the only game I'm aware of which offered so many guns but which lacked this simple thing. I'm not exaggerating when I say they were literally the same. They didn't just fill the same niche, they behaved precisely the same as one another. Surely that's not acceptable.

The Duggler posted:

Oct 26 at 12pm EST

someone on reddit posted:

Zavod 311 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChGYNYdbLR8
Rogue Transmission https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agcwHy5Tuo4
Hainan Resort https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Zllxz5Z3s
Lancang Dam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w1ll6i-Zbs
Dawnbreaker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qua5vE1EZvU
Golmud Railway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjCXN2oIYWI
Operation Locker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcp1uHzCEy8
Flood Zone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcZQgJcgJpY

Liberatore posted:

Indeed. And Operation Locker appears to be an abandoned Chinese military base hidden in the Himalayas, and looks pretty interesting. Too bad with all those choke points and lack of vehicle access, it will probably devolve into Metro 2.0.

Lightning Knight posted:

On the call outs and stuff, was the the only one sort of disappointed that the Chinese and Russian team does half their dialogue in their respective language?

I mean, yes, it's all more realistic, and I appreciate the work put into it, credit where it's due, but I also don't speak Russian or Chinese and it was much more useful in Battlefield 3, as either team, to be able to hear the characters speaking and know what they were saying - hear a Russian guy around the corner yelling about grenades, hear my Russian teammates yelling about C4/ammo/snipers or whatever. It's not the biggest deal in the world or anything, and I suppose I'll eventually get used to it, but guys screaming at me in Chinese or Russian don't tell me anything and then I just get confused looking around for whatever they're bitching about.

Welsper posted:

Sandweed posted:

These few days are gonna be torture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw9BgWR9qBg