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Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

BrianWilly posted:

how? Like, literally how?? It makes no sense! And didn't she spend most of last season being the Hood's foremost cheerleader?

It's sort of like how Gotham always had a crime problem, but the second Batman shows up it has a super-crime problem. It's basically straight text stated in universe that all these crazy people come out of the woodwork and do their crazy rear end poo poo entirely because he exists as a symbol. She feels the same way about the Hood. Sure you had a ton of muggings and assaults before the Hood, but you didn't have guys in loving costumes shooting arrows at each other and setting off earthquake machines. That really only seems to start happening when he enters the picture. And it's unfair to a certain degree because Merlyn was always planning what he was planning and it would have happened either way, but to someone deep in grief it can certainly seem like things escalated into insanity after he showed up. And the copy-cats really wouldn't have existed without him.

So to her, no Hood no wacky super-crime, no earthquake machine, and Tommy doesn't die saving her from the aftereffects.

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Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
Yeah, it'd be like actually letting the villain destroy the city and having the hero lose.

Wait a minute....

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Aphrodite posted:

His powers are unlikely to crossover into the show (He's a vampire.)

That's the second Brother Blood [Or the ninth, I suppose]. The original Brother Blood was a fairly different character, cursed when a priest killed another priest to obtain a prayer shawl he thought belonged to Christ. He was given mystic powers, but fated to be killed by his son....who would become the new Brother Blood, and be killed by his son, and so forth. So while I'm pretty sure the semi-vampire Brother Blood is a no go, I'm drat sure the "Stole Christ's do-rag" version is poo poo canned.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Shakugan posted:

You might note the word "relative". Shooting rockets in mid air has realism relative to the Flash, Lazarus pits etc.

A dude that can run faster than light speed is infinitely easier to accept than a rich man that thinks the best way to solve social problems is to shoot people in the heart with arrows. Because what do I know, maybe crazy science poo poo happens and here we are, really fast dude. Fair enough, lets go with that.

Shooting people in the heart with arrows is literally never the best solution available to the super rich. Ever.

Like that Russian prison break out. IT'S RUSSIA, JUST THROW WADS OF MONEY IN THEIR FACE. People have bought nuclear weapons with less effort, one woman is an easy get. Company a bit strapped, sell your massive house. There you are, millions of dollars to wildly explode in the face of all problems. The super powers, if they add them, will be far from the least believable aspect of the plot.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
By that logic Tommy is going to be brought back, as he would be the Ghost of Christmas Future.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Muslim Wookie posted:

Is it 100% that Ollies hallucinatory fight with Slade in his secret lair was really a hallucination?

Slade has one eye and grey hair highlights. It is 100% not a real scene, yes.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
It's all the same drug. Venom is a deritive of Miraclo. So really it's just variations of a theme, but the name screams Miraclo.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

I am a little sad that they jettisoned "you have failed this city!", though.

It's hard to play that line with any moral authority when you failed to stop the city being blown up. He needs to work himself back to being secure enough to say it again.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Spergatory posted:

I hope they keep the Flash relatively grounded, too.

It's a dude that got super powers from a scienced up lightning storm. Ship sailed on that one.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
As for Arrow, how could you possibly pretend a show that has a super human bashing people around powered by a genetic formula developed by the Japanese in the 40s is, in any sense, 'grounded'?

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

VDay posted:

but those things are still based on real world principles.

I had a longer message but I realized 3/4ths through it that I can sum it up quickly: Earthquake machine.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
I want Gorilla Grodd to show up and there to just be a 4 minute pause as people try to process this is actually happening. Like Barry goes to talk, hangs his head and puts his hand up for a minute, lifts his head, hangs it again, starts gently weeping, and then goes "Fine, ok, this is a thing now.".

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
Well I don't think they will go full "Time traveling obsessed stalker from the 30th century" on that one. Although they should, because gently caress it, own your insanity.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Habibi posted:

How did I miss this??

Him whacked out of his balls saying "I love brown people!" is pretty unforgettable.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Taffer posted:

Sadly, Laurel was once again a complete deadweight that ruined every scene she was in. Please kill her. She is a terrible actress with a terrible pathetic character, she offers nothing of value. Could even cause a big jump in character development for detective Lance, who is awesome.

It's never going to happen so let it go. They are trying to give her poo poo to do, wait and see how it works out. She is in fact not a terrible actress, and they have good writers, so assuming they find the right material to give her everything should be fine.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

muscles like this? posted:

Well, Starling has to be on the West Coast because the Island is in the South China Sea and they got there by taking the Queens Gambit.

They are rich, they are exactly the sort of people that would sail the long way around for funsies.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
The problem there is that super-heroes don't really give a gently caress about places not America, and of course it wouldn't be weird for Oliver to be a socialist in Canada.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Pillowpants posted:

I always thought Gotham was Chicago and Metropolis was NYC?

None of them are 100%, but it's generally Jersey and New York as people said. Star [Starling is a tv thing] City is ridiculous though, it's been all over the place. Not even just "East or West Coast", but it's been near the Great Lakes. It's been said to be in Massachusetts and Connecticut [In one comic where Superman is flying above the real world, he sees that Star City has been replaced by Boston]. The last time it was mentioned it was in Northern California. Of course as far as the comics are concerned now, Oliver Queen is just in Seattle and there is no Star City.

As far as Starling City is concerned, it's in America. What part of America? The American part :colbert:

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
That play brothers, yes.

Don't gently caress with those shippers. Don't do it.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Eddain posted:

On this vein, why doesn't Malcolm reveal that Oliver is the vigilante?

Game recognize game.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Zypher posted:

So I take it everyone is excited for a second season of Hemlock Grove.

I am, I want to see where they go from that first season. Worst case it's terrible and I don't watch it after all, best case is it's so hilariously insane it entertains.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

bobkatt013 posted:

I think you mean Ollie is traveling through time due to being hit by Darkseid's Omega Beams, and the only hope is Diggle singing ability.

There's only so much you can steal from Batman without being a total rear end in a top hat about it.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
Werewolfism.

Truly, the brain trust at work on that list were giants among men.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
People bitching about superpowers in a show with a loving earthquake machine: The best people.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Shakugan posted:

People who can't see the difference between an earthquake machine and someone who could, say, use psychic powers to spontaneously cause earthquakes

There isn't one except to the pedantic. "No see, this totally impossible thing is much better because we tie it to a a funny box with blinking lights rather than a person. That makes it scientific.". It's not like they make a real effort to explain how the earthquake machine really works, and you know why?

Because it would be stupid. A concept that doesn't work in reality shouldn't have a single moment more devoted to trying to fake a technical explanation for why it works than is absolutely required to tell a consistent narrative. Earthquake machines that pinpoint specific sections of a city without touching the other parts are even *more* ridiculous than just "machine that makes an earthquake" too. The best thing the story could do is what it ended up doing, which is having everyone accept the premise and move on. Don't spend 5 minutes trying to explain how they technobabble that widget into working, spend those 5 minutes showing what the machine means to the people threatened by it.

You know what would be realistic? They take the what would have to be hundreds of millions at least to develop a working earthquake machine and just make a really big fuel air bomb or four. Relatively cheap [You know, in comparison to multiple earthquake machines], highly effective, just as horrific, done. But it's not that type of show and never has been, so it's an earthquake machine. And the second you saw it was an earthquake machine you should have known what you were in for with everything to come. And it was fine, because that earthquake machine was devastating. Not physically, although it was that too, emotionally. It wrecked the characters, it had weight on them and the story. That made it 'real', that made it matter. It helps that Malcolm was totally insane in a very, very focused way. Of course he'd make something so extreme to kill the part of the city that harmed him. His rage was apocalyptic, and it needed a suitable vehicle to deliver itself on the Glades.

And that is true of their Miraclo stand in too. Grundy tearing through people, Slade losing his poo poo, Ollie trying to get through to Roy, that gives it weight. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the concept of a Japanese genetic serum from WWII is, they ignore the ridiculous parts and focus on the human cost and impact. Any concept can be grounded if given the right emotional weight and force on the characters. Same for the Flash. "Grounding" a show doesn't have anything to do with power levels or explanations of why the crazy poo poo is happening, and it has everything to do with how the people in the setting deal with it.

So yeah, people that complain about dudes that run really really fast in a show with assassination earthquake machines are wildly missing the point as far as I'm concerned, and I'm going to laugh at that.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

bobkatt013 posted:

I watched 10 years of Smallville. Nothing you can do will be greater than that.

Kristin Kreuk has had the most successful career post-Smallville.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Rhyno posted:

Detective Lance

He has a bit in common with Larry Lance from the comics, and I think his full name is even Quentin Larry Lance, so he's technically more of a reimagining.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Ravane posted:

Hulk is really just a rip-off of Jekyll and Hyde.

Hulk is a rip-off of Jekyll and Hyde where the twist is the giant brutish monster is the good one, although that isn't a facet of the character non comic media tends to embrace all that often.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
Hawkeye was deaf for a bit.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Cute n Popular posted:

I honestly thought Nyssa poisoned Lance for a second, it really came out of no where. How do you not realize you have severe internal injuries for like 2 hours anyways?

You don't really have the same sorts of sensors on the inside you do on the outside, and your various internal organs don't necessarily interact with your musculature in a meaningful sense. Some internal organs can basically explode and you won't feel a single thing beyond some minor weirdness. He probably thought he had a banged up rib or something, when getting hit with the level of force he did is like taking a metal fist fired out a naval cannon, and it destroyed his kidneys and liver. In real life pretty much any of the super hits that throw people across rooms and through furniture would kill someone. The throws, not *as* bad, but punches that do that poo poo? Kill shots, one and all. A bullet would be less deadly.

So he basically got murdered, walked around for a few hours kicking rear end, and then his body went "And oh by the way, you are literally soup on the inside right now. PEACE OUT!". It's kind of cool, because it's one of those things genre shows ignore for fun shots [Like hitting people in the head to knock them out. Do you know what the difference is between a blow that knocks someone out for a few seconds and one that kills them? Neither does science! Like walking? That's probably something you may have to relearn if you've been knocked unconscious by a blow to the head longer than it took you to read this post !] but would actually be insanely horrific to deal with.

So kudos to Arrow for showing it, and if they kill him I will burn their salmon ladder to the loving ground.

e: To the loving ground

Mulva fucked around with this message at 06:05 on May 15, 2014

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Drifter posted:

edit: :sonia: Rocksicles, they straight up said he's not faster than a bullet. :smug:

To be fair that is exactly the sort of thing some rear end in a top hat would say in the plot juuuust before Barry runs faster than a bullet.

e: And of course the eternal question: Can the CW resist such an obvious musical cue as "The Ballad of Barry Allen" in the show itself, or would it be too on the nose even for them?

Mulva fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 15, 2014

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
He'd need to break over 800 to be faster than the 'average' [Lets go with 9mm] bullet.

e: If someone pulls out a .45 though he's going to laugh his rear end off and circle the thing.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

dreffen posted:

It's so drat weird that the creators of Arrow were involved with Green Lantern.

Because that movie was not good.

As was said, the most common complaint about the movie [Beyond the obvious "This just isn't a good movie"] is that it's completely lacking in focus, and is like 2 or 3 movies trying to share the space of 1 movie. The good thing about a tv show is it gives you time to breathe and really delve into a plot if you want to. It lets them play to their strengths.

Also it has the major benefit of not being focused on Hal, who is the most boring and terrible man in the world.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
That pilot is bananas, and I urge everyone that hasn't seen it to not watch it. It's just going to make you want to see a new episode immediately.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
"Is that priest magic chain fighting with a horseman of the apocalypse?"

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
Had some cool heart to hearts with people, was generally dependable, had possibly the greatest line of the season with "It could be worse. My secret identity is his black driver.".

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
That's a silly thing for them to say when it's basically Venom, which itself is based on Miraclo. Like, why reinvent the wheel on that one? "It's a completely different drug with a name like miracle that has the exact same effects of another drug based on Miraclo".

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
Wonder Woman, Swamp Thing, Mutant X, there are probably some more.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

zoux posted:

Mutant X :what:

It got three seasons and the only reason that it didn't get a fourth was the fact the company making it blew up. It was certainly popular enough to keep going, you have to give it that.

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Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
Marvel actually helped make it, you might be thinking of the fact that Fox sued Marvel and Co because they had the rights to X-Men and Marvel went "Listen this is totally a different group of super powered mutants with nothing to do with the X-Men, so there :colbert:". Then Marvel counter-sued. Fox and Marvel settled, but Fox kept going after the other people making it. Then those guys sued Marvel because they were sold "basically the X-men" and they had to change a bunch of poo poo to keep Fox happy and it cost them a ton of money. And eventually one of the production companies blew the gently caress up, and there went Mutant X.

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