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drat Welshies, everyone knows Ghana deserve to be the next lords of the known world. It's time Africa got to be the awesome guys!
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Pity you can't pick the Huns and found the line of Atilla.
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Oct 5, 2013 15:55
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Comrade Koba posted:No matter who you'll start out as, it'll be pretty drat refreshing to see a mega-LP centered on Africa. And the other 1% of the time it's somewhere in the middle-east. No love for Africa. Africa was the cradle of our entire goddamn species we should pay it a little more respect 
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Oct 6, 2013 07:51
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Vaga42Bond posted:I just like Ethiopia (Abyssinia) because it's thought that humans first appeared as a species in Ethiopia. So in a way, all humans began as Ethiopian. Even the Welsh are Ethiopians too! Honestly I don't particularly mind where exactly; I think it would just be really nice to see a Paradox game started from Africa because nobody ever starts in Africa.
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Oct 6, 2013 10:22
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Grey Hunter posted:[b]Voting, Such as it was, is now over.[b] And you suck at BBcode  Also yay! Ghana power!
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Oct 6, 2013 12:34
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steinrokkan posted:Yet the sheet is still a vibrant, evolving organism. Whoever is drawing the dick on the mario part of the sheet is a terrible person.
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Oct 6, 2013 12:46
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It's going to be fascinating to see if Grey can bootstrap the Africans into relevance throughout the middle ages.
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Oct 6, 2013 14:28
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Pakled posted:Awesome. I've never played as a West African pagan before, so going into this with no knowledge of what sort of unique bonuses and decisions they get is interesting. I'm really interested to see just how far they've gone in modelling the various tribal relations and whatnot. Ovbiously the game still fits within the paradox 'shape' so to speak but there should be plenty of room for uniqueness in the african nations if the devs did their work.
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Oct 6, 2013 14:43
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lenoon posted:It's also that in vanilla, Ghana is incredibly boring. It looks like it'll be much more fun to play in CK+, so I'm happy with the decision. Ain't no place for those degenerate white people in our glorious african empire.
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Oct 6, 2013 18:31
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Just because Ghana was never relevant on the world stage in reality doesn't mean Grey can't make them relevant; he has several centuries to get Ghana into shape and if he can manage to secure the majority of Africa he'll actually be in a pretty good position. I'd also like to hear about some African history; out of all the major continents the history of Africa seems to get glossed over the most and I know very little about what the hell was going on down there during the middle ages.
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Oct 7, 2013 04:39
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nimby posted:Sadly this type of trade turned into "Sitting on mountains of gold and getting conquered by foreigners who will wage absurd amounts of war to get it". True but Grey has the benefit of not being a middle-ages african tribal leader or whatever the hell they had at that point in time so he can turn that into 'trading mountains of gold for fancy foreigner weapons so
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Oct 7, 2013 12:54
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lenoon posted:We'll get to him I'm sure - right now the big issue is "where the rulers of the Ghana Empire sub saharan african, berber or ...?" Based on what I can find with a google search I'd guess sub saharan african; a 9th century berber historian described Ghana as one of the three most organized states in the region, also apparently the term 'Ghana' was actually the title applied to the leader of the nation and it was misapplied by the Arabs who kept records and thus ended up being the name of the nation and the capital as well as the leader. Apparently the Ghanese rulers were renowned for their opulence, warrior and hunting skills and as masters of trade in gold. There were apparently also some western Sudanic rulers later until Ghana was conquered by various neighbours in the 11th century, but I'm not entirely sure who the Sudanics are.
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Oct 7, 2013 13:49
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Espy posted:It would be funny if our big invasion started in Wales, although it wouldn't make much sense to me unless we didn't see the Strait of Gibraltar while sailing. God only knows how you could miss the entire Strait of Gibraltar. Then again this is the man who accidentally blew up a planet with a literal forgotten superweapon so if anyone could do it...
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Oct 7, 2013 14:43
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Espy posted:I'm assuming that Ghana when it establishes a Navy will thus explore on the coastline and not sail flat out into open water. Yes I am assuming the Ghanese captains are not utterly insane and totally incompetant. Which might not be a viable assumption in this game actually...
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Oct 7, 2013 14:49
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nimby posted:Is that a poetic way of Mansa Musa to say he killed the guy before him and hid the body really well? Probably...
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Oct 7, 2013 15:11
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Espy posted:Small pox would kill them off like in the original timeline. Would Ghanese sailors carry smallpox? According to wikipedia smallpox from the Portugese decimated inner-African populations in the 16th century and while smallpox was definitely known in Africa it doesn't seem to have been anything like as common as it was in eurasia at the time. Which assumes these games actually model the whole smallpox obliterating the native americans thing; do they?
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Oct 7, 2013 15:38
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So what I'm getting from this is that at this point in history Ghana should be a pretty lucrative option for investment in gold mines. I wonder if the in-game Ghana has a lot of gold to exploit.
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Oct 7, 2013 19:01
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lenoon posted:This would be very in keeping with my shoddy knowledge of the history of the Ghana empire. Bastards for all! Afaik the Africans were never as into the whole monogamy thing as much as Europeans were so yeah I wouldn't be surprised if the various African leaders of the era fathered a metric fuckton of bastards all over their domains.
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Oct 9, 2013 03:58
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TildeATH posted:Europe is a goiter on the side of Asia with the environmental and cultural diversity of a can of tomato soup. To compare it to a continent that includes Carthage, Egypt, Hippo, Ethiopia, Kenya, Congo, Mali, and Chinhua Achebe.. well, that's a bad idea. In this case I am referring to the sub-saharan africans inhabiting... well Ghana. While I'm sure that monogamy was the norm for humanity in general throughout history: Polygamy, especially in relation to a powerful man having lots of wives, was much less rare in the sub-saharan african tribes and nations. The dominance of monogamy in europe was substantially influenced by the cultural domination of abrahamic faiths; a domination which did not exist in sub-saharan africa where the religions were much more localized.
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Oct 9, 2013 04:31
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Deadmeat5150 posted:Or get a couple more wives. gently caress your way to an army and victory! Having so many children that it is effectively impossible to end your lineage has worked rather well in the past; see Ghengis Khan's descendants.
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Oct 9, 2013 07:34
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Out-breeding your enemies is a perfectly viable if rather long-term strategy.
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Oct 9, 2013 07:47
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Nyaa no nyaa eh. Interesting linguistic structure.
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Oct 11, 2013 13:25
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Veloxyll posted:They're archers, and the weakest shock troops. Archers are pretty decent, since they get to attack in the fire phase. Poison on those would be pretty useful then.
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Oct 14, 2013 07:13
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I'm sure together Grey and the RNG will be able to make things interesting.
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Oct 15, 2013 19:03
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uPen posted:You mean pointing at Europe. By the time Ghana is done with it Europe is going to be several shades darker than it used to be.
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Oct 15, 2013 19:26
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Our succession laws still split the country amongst heirs don't they? So that will at the very least give us something more than staring dumbly at the screen, we might also get lucky and the Umayyad will suffer some more internal strife. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Oct 16, 2013 12:23
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Its a pity we can't just exploit our insanely plentiful natural gold reserves to buy enough mercs to let us take on the Muslims in a fair fight.
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Oct 16, 2013 14:40
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Everyone's forgotten about the gate to hell by now, it really wasn't that big a deal apparently.
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Oct 17, 2013 00:22
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Good lord man don't quote the entire post.
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Oct 18, 2013 17:43
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Nice to see the Ogoona line is strong and healthy.
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Oct 19, 2013 12:12
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simplefish posted:I think Marakesh would be pushing it in his lifetime. Also, are all GH games now 'Conquer Spain'? Spain is Grey's Poland.
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Oct 20, 2013 07:43
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Even a lot of the myths and legends of sub-saharan Africa remain largely undocumented in the western world. White historians apparently just decided to ignore half the continent because it was full of brown people. Which is a great pity because there are some brilliant myths and legends out there and many of them have those little touches that suggests a long time ago the story might have been based on something that happened.
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Oct 20, 2013 14:48
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Pakled posted:Nope. We're at the southwestern corner of the map. The last post in the last update shows as far south as the map goes. Which is a pity because if we had access to South Africa we could grow our Ghanan empire to massive levels of power without tangling with the drat Muslims.
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Oct 20, 2013 15:03
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goatface posted:We'd have to spread south through the Congo. This is the Ogoona line we're talking about. They'd be having sex in the Congo.
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Oct 20, 2013 15:06
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Plus we're not out-of-place europeans, we're native sub-saharan africans so warring in the Congo should be a lot less of a big deal to us than it would be to say the British. At the very least we'd have much better relations and wider diplomatic options available.
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Oct 20, 2013 15:12
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Rumda posted:Well that's kind of like saying its better for the Ottomans to go Russian across central Asia, since at least they were steppe nomads too. I think the Ottomans would have an easier time of it than the English, not to say that it would be a good idea or anything just relative levels of difficulty.
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Oct 20, 2013 15:39
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Grey is establishing one hell of an Ogoona dynasty here. I'm impressed; at this rate by the end of the LP the entire African continent is going to bear the Ogoona name.
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Oct 23, 2013 09:20
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Either way it's Ogoonsomething so it's extremely appropriate. The fact that Ghana can pretty much declare war on smaller nation-states nearby makes perfect sense from a political standpoint in the region too; I would imagine that around 1000 AD the sub-saharan african tribes and nations were frequently murdering the poo poo out of each other over various quibbles.
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Oct 23, 2013 09:31
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Ho-lee crap the Sultan of Mecca must have gotten high as balls on an opium binge right before he made that announcement.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:It was completely impossible for Ghana to actually hold onto Mecca, right? We could have at least made them conquer it the hard way
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