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Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Despite all the questionable drama surrounding it, Rick screaming at Shane that it's his fault as he bleeds out is one of the most memorable scenes of the series thus far.

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Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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How many people that were new additions to season 4 are even left? Is it just Bob?

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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If he witnessed Carl and Rick's little Alamo, that would be evidence enough that their defenses and staff are a mess.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Blazing Ownager posted:

In fact that part is kind of funny because I have no idea who he was screaming "GRENADE!" to. They should have showed someone else trying to crawl out and not making it.

Yeah, he's kind of a dick since the driver would've had to climb out after him and clearly had no time. (At least, I think so for this model of tank. If it has a separate driver hatch, then that's easily explained away with some random civvie panicking)

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Their population is the problem. Anybody could hole up in a well defended home with a retractable entrance like Morgan, but not 10-12 people or however many they have left.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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I'd love to see a short story of a few episodes following another survivor or camp, only for them to grimly segue into the main cast, a la Running Side Of The Road Guy or the National Guard camp.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Can anyone recall who got a big old mouthful of walker blood and thought they'd been infected at some point? Or was that from some other zombie property?

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Given the group split, and what's "supposed" to come next from the comics, they have a huge amount of potential angles to approach this from. I'm sad to see the prison go but mostly from an in-universe sentiment.

fake edit: I watched "Clear" again the other day and I'm so disappointed we didn't keep that actor on board.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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The show will do much better than the comic books as long as we don't see any (COMIC SPOILERS) Rastafarian zookeeper kings with tiger pets.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Sometimes its nice to take a step back and remember that the originator of the zombie genre was a magical necromantic radiation field from Venus.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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I feel like the real purpose of the CDC was to make clear that zombies are brain-stem-only, barely functioning zombies, and not people trapped in a living hell.

The Solanum virus depicted in the Zombie Survival Guide (and later World War Z) was the best of both worlds, being a realistic virus but with clearly preternatural properties, and the narrator emphasized the mystery.

Evernoob posted:

Now that I think of it, have Body Snatchers been mentioned anywhere in this thread yet? Those are cool and perfectly plausible: There is some real parasite that can "zombify" ants to make them suicide by climbing to the top of leaves, and lock their jaws in the leaves so some birds can eat them.

The Cordyceps fungus. You should check out the Last of Us, the best zombie twist since 28 Days Later.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Senor Tron posted:

Which was a mistake. The creepiest walkers have been in the show is when it seemed like some of the original person was still in there.

Morgans wife coming back to the house and trying to open the door, the little girl zombie carrying her teddy bear.

I'm with you there. Zombies with "pieces left" is a beautiful concept done well, but it didn't jive with the comics so that went right out with Darabont.

The rock zombie sits alongside the CDC as relics of a former creative direction.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Daryl seemed underused this past season. He had his "gently caress alcoholics" moment with Bob and got to blow up a tank, but other than that was mostly silent muscle. Rick, Hershel(RIP), and Guv got to hog all the character moments.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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I wish we saw more apocalypses based a generation or so out, a la Last of Us, for that very reason. Anyone born after the Event, into this dog-eat-dog world, is going to have vastly different morals and most definitely be more bloodthirsty.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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They showed off his body armor about 20 seconds after Carl shot him.

I'm still sad about how they had a surviving military unit just get wiped out by the governor. There's got to be more military based groups out there; any notable bases in Georgia?

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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redweird posted:

Wasn't the CDC dude totally cut off from everyone though?

He said he was able to maintain contact with several other disease laboratories for some time after the fall; I believe he mentioned Tokyo, and the French lab was active until about a week before they found the CDC. I'd imagine such a communication network would reach other hubs as well, but it's too late now.

They're really not putting much effort to making Mullet look like anything other than a lazy con artist and Abraham a dullard.

Walking Dead: Two and a half years after the apocalypse, there are still people who carry guns and don't know how to fire them.

Kasonic fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Feb 27, 2014

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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I've given up on the apocalypse looking anything like the apocalypse thanks to TV budgets. It's been two years, the random cars they find should at the very least be covered in a thick coat of dust and weather, let alone having their engines rusted out or all the tires flat. Nope, chuck a little gas in this Nissan Rogue and it'll have us flying along with best-in-class mileage!

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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If I was suicidally depressed over losing everything I've known as my only lifeline in this horrible bleak apocalypse, getting drunk and burning something down sounds like heaven.


edit: also yeah Beth's moonshine face was The Worst Bit of Acting

Kasonic fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Mar 3, 2014

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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The mistake is believing the badness is a product of the plot or location, when it's really just the show.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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I hope Terminus is secretly Wellington and Clementine's there and the series does a full on side-by-side story with the games.

Actually, can we just let Telltale write the TV show? They actually know how to write gut-wrenching character drama.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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My problem with it was that the show offers zero sense of relative location, so we have Sasha and Bob chasing behind Maggie, Sasha turning around/staying put and finding Maggie completely randomly in a random place by sheer luck, and Maggie being all like "Yeah I'm here for you duh."

If they gave us some throwaway dialog on the building being the only nearby landmark or something they passed or stayed in, or putting the ice cream truck in an establishing shot they pass, sure. But without that it just looks like poo poo writing.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Shath Hole posted:

I absolutely hate the Daryl/Beth sexual tension that is/was going on. It just feels dirty to me, she is like 15!

Even if she is legal, I thought that's why Daryl didn't say anything. Like, if we're talking hunter-gatherer society, that kind of situation is exactly when the boning starts. But he couldn't get it out.

It sounds like Daryl has had little to no experience with women in past, save maybe one night stands or something. Maybe Sophia still haunts him, as it's only after said tension that Daryl is willing to treat her like an equal.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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I'd like it if the show just dropped it completely. The moral of last half-season was that you can come back from what you were, and the look in Tyreese's eyes when Carol shows up was so relieved, I feel like her debt has practically been repaid.

At least when it comes to the poo poo world of TWD.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Bored posted:

I agree. It also fits well with something people might be forced to do in that world. There are going to be people that can't survive in that fictional world where it would be kinder to kill them than to leave them behind.

This is also why I knew Tyreese was going to forgive Carol. She was suffering, and Carol ended her life early, but quickly while she was unaware. Is a merciful death really the worst thing to give a loved one in an apocalypse like this? As opposed to chasing after a ghost town with a murderer, a crying infant, and an insane child?

We are the Walking Dead, etc.


Edit: vvvv I understand that, but mercy certainly casts a wider net in this poo poo world. Her motives were not as such, but it was still better than Karen being eaten by a walker later.

Kasonic fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Mar 18, 2014

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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leidend posted:

Trying to remember if World War Z (book) did too.

There's a poignant little story about the average family fleeing north to Canada and their group resorts to cannabalism.

Glenn has only expressed ambivalence about Eugene McGoon's plan, but if they don't have someone blow up on him about 'classified' information I'm going to be sorely disappointed.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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They all sounded like 12 year old children running out that garage claiming stuff. No wonder they've murdered two people and choked a guy out for small offenses, their system is terrible.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Fitzy Fitz posted:

I don't like to read too much into things in this show because it's never going to be realistic.

I think "Beth left Daryl when he was seconds behind her screaming, and her bag, to jump in a car with an ominous symbol painted on the back window that definitely wasn't there before and floor it while Daryl runs behind the car" is too much reading into entirely the wrong things.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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There's a lot of talk about drugged food when really, the easiest way for them to take out a group, even Glenn's medium size one, is to keep appearances up for most of the day and simply separate them at night and ambush them while they're sleeping or alone. A cot in a safe haven is like a mother's warm breast after a week on the road, they probably wouldn't be difficult to corral safely, especially given the expertise the Terminus group showed off in the episode at ambushing them. Knives or not, even Rick isn't going to pull anything after getting hauled out of a bed with 3 rifles trained at his head.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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JEEVES420 posted:

Fixed that for you.

Someone in this thread reading into intentional foreshadowing?! Nah, let's get back to Beth running away.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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I don't want this to get political, but it's something to note that the male animal pretty much reverts to rape when there's no moral consequence; we even still see that today under Sharia law, in India, lawless African states, etc.

They seemed cool because there wasn't a woman and a vulnerable youth in front of them, and god knows the last time they had an opportunity to stick in it something. Deviants be deviants.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Yeah, I really doubt Kirkman would want to repeat his own mistake. Especially since this would mean putting Andrew Lincoln in a lovely prosthetic for the rest of the show, and they can't take the Game of Thrones easy way out and give him a false hand or something.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Eugene from comic book spoilers, WARNING it seems like they're following the books on this plot device:

He's full of poo poo and just made it up to get protected. He's actually competent and kind of cool in the comics after his lie is exposed; not sure how they're going to make Reddit McGoon an endearing character.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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If Priesty doesn't die minutes after redeeming himself in some way I'll eat a zombie hat.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Blazing Ownager posted:

Now come on. You can't possibly be saying Game of Thrones isn't exceptionally well made? Even if you hate that show, the production values are through the roof. Frankly it looks better than most fantasy movies 99% of the time.

As great as the Walking Dead "Zombie guest star! Look at this amazing makeup job we did" shots hold up, GoT needs to make good on the insane amount of care and detail they put into the clothing made for the show and give us some Dress Porn close-ups.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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SocketWrench posted:

At no point does it ever come up though. He never acknowledges them in anything other than a few general remarks.

It's kind of funny how we assume the cast is so generally dimwitted that one guy is good with names and it looks like a plothole.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Reverse Centaur posted:

What's the deal with this? Just a mistake they decided to keep? The Judith talking thing seemed like a "hell that works let's use it" moment too.

I don't know, but either way, both of them were probably the best 'human' moments in the entire show. TWD does not do lightheartedness well at all since Dale quit.

Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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Yeah given how close Glenn has been to Rick over this time it was kind of jarring. I'd say maybe he was so taken aback by Rick's slaughter he changed his attitude towards him, but this is the guy that killed a walker while taped to a chair. If we didn't all know they'd be meeting up later for the plot's sake it would be a huge missed opportunity.

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Kasonic
Mar 6, 2007

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I really didn't like this episode. The characters, especially Dawn, seemed very surreal, and the general production (the hospital is a single hallway, huge piles of cooked food for an apparent cast of less than 10, Beth's pathetic solution-making) really took me out of it. Both scenes with rape cop were really loving uncomfortable, and Dr. Edwards was a great character. They did a decent job building a survivor group in a single episode, but Beth is still such a blank slate personality-wise I have a hard time rationalizing or caring about her decision making at all.

Myron posted:

Goddamn the characters in this show are dumb. They give up a safe environment, only because they can't deal with the occasional rape.

Hahaha this is an infuriatingly ignorant thing to say

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