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EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

fullroundaction posted:

I'm interested to see what they can do story-wise with an already-recovered recovering alcoholic in a setting* where there's no alcohol to cause conflict to begin with... :confused:

Well it already caused him to set off a butterfly reaction putting himself in danger and inadvertently killing others.

It's pretty clear to me that metaphor will just continue to be manifested in increasingly direct ways as the stress increases his struggle increases risky behavior, and he finds himself trapped in a perpetual cycle fighting addiction (and succumbing). Basically, today's initial (and blameless) chain reaction is just a ripple of the larger wave where he's intentionally neglected a duty to scour the area, or he's already drunk on the job, or he even manages a binge in secret but the DTs catch up to him the next day.

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EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

moths posted:

It's also likely that the whole reason he went on the scavenge run was to score some booze. He offered a bunch of weird extra reasons asking to come along, went straight for the alcohol, and then lied about how it got knocked over.

Yeah. Based on his dilemma to take the bottle, it likely wasn't a conscious plan but it was typical drug seeking behavior where in the back of his mind he's trying to put himself in a situation where he'll have the means to use. So even if he doesn't recognize it, he's coming up with all these reasons why he should go on the run. It's like a recovering alcoholic deciding that one bar has some really good natchos, or an pill abuser out of rehab deciding to catch up with some old friends (who still use) by hanging out at their place.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

TOOT BOOT posted:

I can accept something like the dead rising or a world where magic exists but plot holes and sloppy writing in media are things that bother me.

Rick's IV bag had the infinity bandana.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
Instead of burning zombie bodies they should take them out a mile from the prison and gradually stack them until they have an outer wall made of corpses.

It's metal as gently caress (also masks the smell of the humans or whatever)

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
Not being able to kill zombies fast enough to replenish your wall of corpses sounds like one of them good problems.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
You could also take the head off one and use some duct tape to strap it on top/next to your head so you're always wearing a living zombie helmet to fool the others.

And if it doesn't work, well it provides a pretty good sight gag and a comedy routine for back at camp.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

HonorableTB posted:

Amazing how quickly the post count in this thread stopped rising after the mods laid down the law on bitchposting.

And yet the thread quality went up immensely!

Talking about zombie defense strategies may be all kinds of nerdy, but man is it entertaining when done right (that means living zombie suits and treadmills)

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Urdnot Fire posted:

They just know he doesn't do well in prison.

Michonne almost died making a comic run just so she could teach him the difference between Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Mazzagatti2Hotty posted:

I think they probably don't want to do too many kid zombies just because having 1 child (teddy bear girl, SAPHIA, Penny) shot in the head per season is probably toeing the line as it is.

Nah, there are just more logistic issues with getting kid actors in make up and filming the scene in the daily time allotted that they don't bother with unusual zombie extras like kids unless its written into the script.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
I just started watching after reading the thread. They're talking about Rick's new challenge being a leader of a huge group...

Manson: It's like when people came to America and killed all the Indians.

Hardwick: No, its not like that at all!

HAHAHAHAHA, holy poo poo. For once I wished I had watched Talking Dead.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

MariusLecter posted:

Poor Manson, all ignored in the corner.

And the only one with anything interesting to say

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Baldbeard posted:

Then some gladiator-esque blades or something attached to the sides of the cars. Anything, literally anything but waiting until they pile up. It's like the writers can't decide on exactly how big of a threat the zombies are still. Michonne occasionally is able to take out a bunch of them silently and effortlessly, and then at other times is totally overwhelmed by an equal number, even if shes part of a large, armed group.

How about using the pigs as bait to lure them away from the fence relieving pressure long enough for them to prop it up and kill off a lot of them as they gradually return to the fence?

Sounds a lot better than breaking your truck. Or better than attempting to break your truck before being overrun as you superglue kitchen knifes to the sides.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
Sunshine is indeed dope

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
I missed the opening, what happened?

Tuned in to the governor shuffling along to some governor music with a kickass beard.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

MrTpug posted:

God...this is like a fetch mission in GTA

Thats all the apocalypse ever is. That and a bunch of escort missions.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Dienes posted:

Between lack of teeth or inability to move, how many zombies here will actually be threatening?

Do denture bites still kill?

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

STAC Goat posted:

His father died this weekend. I assume it was brought up at the end of the episode.

Did Hardwick shoot him after he died?

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Dantu posted:

Reading this thread you tell who hasn't spent a lot time carrying heavy back packs.

Is it the lady that fell trying to one-strap her gear like a cool kid in the 90s?

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Astroman posted:

I thought this was a really deep episode.

The Governor went through so many stages. First, he was desperate to hold on to "Brian" and not have his past revealed. They see the Cabin and it's a Woodbury allusion where he sees his old life play out. The family in the cabin was attacked by the "liar" and "rapist" who looked like army deserters. The husband killed them, kept their heads, and killed himself, at some point killing the family he failed to protect (unless the attackers killed them). The Governor saw himself--the cabin was Woodbury, the family in the picture was his family in a picture, the heads in the closet were his fishtank heads, there was a war and everyone died and the settlement failed. After this, Martinez asks him to share power and he freaks out and kills him.

He then goes out with Charlie and Enver Gjokaj (two great actors) and sees the Dilemma of The Camp, and it's like a mini versioin of The Governor vs Rick in their decisions and leadership styles. "Rick" (Pete) decides to spare the camp while his brother wants to cold rob them Governor style. The Governor realizes that Pete's brother's Governor style is better, and the camp is either going to be torn apart by their conflicting styles or Pete's Rick style wussiness will get them all killed.

He has to make a choice. He was offered leadership and said no. He can chose between his old ways or Rick's, and instead decides to leave. But the road is blocked. Feeling no other option is open to him, he kills the "Rick" surrogate and takes over. And not soon after, he's ready to invade the prison again when he sees their camp can't keep his "daughter" safe. And he has a new fishtank.

So much happened here, on so many levels. I questioned at first two Governor episodes in a row, but this was great. I wished Morrissey had been on this Talking Dead instead of last week to discuss it.

Yeah this episode was great. They even find a way to make something as silly as the heads in the jars from last season more reasonable by showing escalation here with the corpse in the water he finds fascinating, and using it to show his old persona having fully resurfaced. That image of it clawing from the bottom of the lake was even mesmerizing to me.

That and the zombies in the mud. Just wonderful imagery. Its not even that the governor couldn't have gotten out on another road, its that he saw himself in that mud. No matter where he goes he feels he will be forever destined to do those things he once did in order to keep the people he cares about safe. Its inescapable, so instead he embraces it.

Though I am weary of the shows direction based on the next episode previews. But this season has been the best yet so far.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Red Crown posted:

They spend two episodes resurrecting a character to show us that the character hasn't changed and is going to take almost exactly the same actions he did last season. I'm sorry, but his story was told. He was a family man who had a good thing going with a town, lieutenants and a girl (Andrea), but deep-seeded violent tendencies drive him towards the use of overwhelming violence in the name of survival. That is exactly what got established in this episode, nothing more. It's the same god drat thing that happened last season, except shoved down your through in 2 episodes instead of 5 or 6.

I thought the zombies in the mud was great imagery. I honestly did. Then it flashes back to them and it turns out that the pile of zombies and mud was nothing more than a contrivance to force him to have to stay in the camp (literally a blocked road)Also there are are obviously half a dozen ways for him to drive off but don't look.

Last season the governor wasn't a character, he was a one dimensional super villain that showed none of the things this episode did. Character growth isn't a straight line either and a character regressing shouldn't necessarily be thought of as a negative just because we've seen it already. Stories are about the journey there, not the destination.

Of course there are other ways for him to get away from the camp. That's not the point. He choose to go back. He's not literally stuck at the camp, its about him being stuck as the type of person he needs to be regardless of where he goes.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
I hope Kirk Acevedo stays around for awhile.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

RedneckwithGuns posted:

I'm watching tonight's episode right now so I don't want to look around the thread and possibly spoil it for myself, but who is the actor that plays the guy that said he was a tank driver? I know him from somewhere but I can't place him to save my life.

Kirk Acevado.

Oz, Fringe, Band of Brothers.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

-Blackadder- posted:

I still remember that episode from season 2 where Rick, Dale, and Glenn meet Michael Raymond-James (guy from Terriers and Once Upon a Time) in a bar and the whole scene just blew me out of the water because of how much better an actor and more interesting a character Michael Raymond-James was.

Yeah, that was pretty easily the best episode of season 2. I was sure MRJ was going to be a recurring character too so it was disappointing to see him die, but the way Rick took him out was such a great moment and evolution of his character that it still rules.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

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Mooseontheloose posted:

My only problem with the last episode is Kirk Acevedo not shanking the Gov when he had a chance.

Oh you killed my brother, that's cool don't worry about it.

He's a lot more level headed these days.

Its gonna be a slow cautious approach with finely grounded glass in the gov's food over time until he internally bleeds to death.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

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Overlord K posted:

Welp, Guv is now two for two on undead daughters :v:

The prison has two little blonde girls no one really for.

They can even just hand over the crazy one. Two birds with one stone.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Aphrodite posted:

Kill off Hardwick.

In real life.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
The whole Randal thing should have never happened anyway. The dude shooting at them impaled his leg on a spike. Benevolence is shooting him so he doesn't get eaten alive; risking three lives to possibly save one is stupidity.

Its clear the sort of conflict they wanted for the next few episodes (and there's a good story in there), but the convoluted set up ruins it and makes Rick look really dumb. The only saving grace was all goodwill Rick banked the previous episode as a competent capable leader who got them out of that bar alive. No surprise it was the best episode of season 2, and a contender for best of the series.

Carl supremacy. He's got the pragmatism of Shane and the charisma of Risk, without the respective sociopathy or martyr complex. He already shot one dad, its long overdue for him to bitchslap the other and take over the group.

I guess there'd be no show then. He'd just restart society and save the world and with time to spare for a nice cigar if Sheriff Jar Jar wasn't always getting in his way.

Spoeank posted:

It's your own fault you didn't start with 33. :colbert:

Truth.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

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Grin and Tonic posted:

Who did Shannon Richardson play on TWD 'cause apparently she tried to poison Obama.

"In May 2013, while going through a divorce, Richardson called the police and accused her husband of mailing letters laced with the poison ricin to several politicians.[2][15]
Nathan Richardson has not been charged with any crime.[2][19][20] He told investigators that his wife set him up.[21] Investigators found evidence that Shannon Richardson mailed the ricin laced letters herself, in an effort to set up her estranged husband."


lol

If she wanted to set up her ex-spouse, maybe she could have come up with a plan that doesn't require the scrutiny of the secretService-NSA-google-machine investigating it?

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Evernoob posted:

Really? Was that the suspected cause from Night of the Living Dead? Or an even earlier film/novel?

Yeah, sort of. It's the main theory from a news report during NOTLD, although never confirmed.

But yeah. Worrying about realism is a fools game. Especially when the best zombie anything of all time gives no fucks.



Return of the Living Dead supremacy. All day. Everyday.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
Two good ole boys talking about growing up with their lovely dad and one abandoning the other cause it got so bad.

Bet it was because he made them get lovely tattoos he designed.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
Laurie Holden played a recurring character on the last season of The Shield and was so drat natural that I honestly didn't even realize it was her in The Walking Dead until someone pointed it out like three seasons into this show.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

Generic American posted:

GUYS DON'T EAT THE FOOD, IT'S BETH. :gonk:

*Clementine will remember this*

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

LadyPictureShow posted:

This thread made me want to look up a clip from Season 2. I think it was just called 'Shane Dale stare-down' (but my searching turned up nothing). It was just Shane bobbing his head menacingly, Dale looking horrified and like he's about to cry, and the Curb Your Enthusiasm music playing over it.

Anybody know what I'm talking about? I laugh at it every goddamn time.

Hell yeah, that video owned.

Unfortunately all links I could find ended up linking back to the original youtube video, which got taken down for "copyright infringement".

(loving bullshit. zombies arent poo poo to worry about with real world corporate vampires bleeding legit fair-use content everyday)

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

HonorableTB posted:

I'm betting it's cannibals. There's a well known disease called "kuru" found only in cultures that practice cannibalism in their society. It presents with the shakes, most often in the hands. Several scenes in the preview for the next episode showed shaking hands. Couple that with the large-ish steaks on the grill shown in the most recent episode, and I would bet money that it's cannibalism.

That would be really weird cause kuru (like BSE and CJE) takes a really long time to set in, occasionally a whole generation. And the mutated prions are only contained within the brains so its easily avoidable.

Wait a minute.... eating the brains... new theory. Everyone in terminus is the living dead. Like that movie where zombies are cured by love.

Also I must have missed that preview or not been paying attention. Wasn't the preview just bunch of tense scenes of the Carl-Michone-Rick group, some zombies, and ominous chanting of the word "TERMINOUS"? I actually thought it was a really cool preview because it showed literally nothing about the next episode but created a forbidding atmosphere.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!
Its been mentioned that they did a cannibal story in the Telltale's Walking Dead game, but I thought that was the the weakest parts of that game overall (the actual "episode" was alright) but it just came off as really silly where they were drugging people to amputate portions of them while they were still alive before eating them, and that just being all kinds of silly and what the gently caress but not in the good "what the gently caress" way, just a confusing one.

Cannibals are a classic stable of post apocalyptic fiction, but I think writers should really just set that one aside when they're telling zombie apocolpyse stories. Just make things easier on everyone.

Lycus posted:

Also our introduction to Terminus is a lady cooking slabs of meat on a big barbecue and "we'll make you a plate". It just seems like the writers are winking really hard at us.

An alternative to the "TO SERVE MAN" interpertation of that line.... maybe they make human-ceramic dishes like a serial killer from the tv show hannibal.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

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Even in such trying times I find that true beauty blossoms in this world. And true beauty thy name is Terminous. Twenty two years of professional reviewing and finally a restaurant demands more than traveling the globe to experience; its simply to die for.

In our come-and-go, post-apocalyptic society where death lurks both around every corner and within us all as a dormant virus, it should come as no surprise that human flesh has managed to replace the notorious fugu fish as the prime delicacy of the most adventurous foodies.

So, for the first time in the history of our review guide, we urge you experience Terminus once (if not twice) a life. We proudly present Terminous with our first and only 6 Michonne Star rating.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

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various cheeses posted:

Also why do people think Bob knows the Terminus crew from somewhere else? They probably just got to know each other briefly before being herded into train cars.

Personally I was just confused and thought he knew him because of how much he talked and taunted him instead of being like "oh hey we're eating that black guy* we missed eating earlier, small world lol"

*I don't see people in terms of race but Im talking from the bad guys POV and assuming he probably does cause he's bad. If it were me I'd just be like "oh hey DeAngelo from the wire I'm gonna eat you now, haha."

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

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Thank you. Clarity is my business, and business is booming

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

fleshweasel posted:

This show is pretty much like Dragonball Z. Glacial pacing, bad writing, but there's something entertaining in its kludginess so I continue to watch.

and the main character is a complete idiot but manages to hold the group together while his much more qualified son and friends facepalm at his ability to fail upwards

(daryl is piccolo btw)

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EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

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enraged_camel posted:

Currently there isn't any other explanation for why the woman has a black eye

walked into a door

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