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Latest: Tag Team Caverna de pollos! Hardmode solo caverna!  Bienvenidos And welcome to the Guacamelee LP! This is going to be so awesome. (Thread title means either [or both] "Stronger than death" or [and] "More serious than death". It's a nice sound AND a fine play on words, if I do say so myself! And yes, I know there's an accent in mas, but the thread title yelled at me for improper characters!)                  =========================================================================== Bacter, answer us honestly: what is Guacamelee? Guacamelee is a metroidvania/beat-em-up/side-scroller/art game with a dash of Ikaruga and some excellent, not-overdone silliness and character design. In short, it's a potent amount of fun in a petit package, not unlike some of your spicier salsas. Mexican/Latin American metaphors are going to come up a lot in this game. Why? Well, Guacamelee is set somewhere vaguely south of the (American) border. You might be tempted at various times to think it's Mexico, Brazil, Peru... lots of those kinds of places. If anybody more fluent in geography and culture than I am can spot what is clearly supposed to be the setting for this game, let me know. Until then, the setting is officially "Magic Realism Latin America". So what's the game about? SO MUCH COOL STUFF YOU GUYS. There are evil skeleton charros, a gunslinger cursed by El Diablo himself to be on fire forever, which barely gets in the way of his heavy drinking, wacky themed luchadors, and it's all set during El Dia De Los Muertos, in what becomes this amazingly-well-drawn cultural pinata explosion. Charros? Luchadors? Dia De Los Muertos? Bacter, I am so culturally ignorant it HURTS. That's cool. I was too, before this game! And as is my custom, I've got a whole slew of awesome cultural artefacts and other extras just cooking away, ready to be released at a time of my choosing. And as is your custom, will we be making our own ending and just generally thread participating as usual? Actually, not this time, muchachos. Well, as relates to the ending. I know I've only done super-story-heavy adventure games so far, and there are more of those I want to LP in the future, but part of what I like here is branching out and doing some new games. Guacamelee doesn't really have enough of a story TO come up with an alternate ending. I still want thread participation, though! How we gonna participate then, Bacter? BACK UP YOUR STATEMENTS. Easy! One of my favorite parts about this game is how ABSOLUTELY CHOCK-FULL it is with references. TO games, internet memes, works of fiction and literature, there are just hundreds of the things. So, be on the lookout for them! If you find one, list it in the comments, and you'll have claimed it. I'll say the goon who racks up the most references caught might just win themselves a FANCY PRIZE! Maybe more to come? Who knows. So what all are you doing for this LP? 'Couple things. 1) BACTER PLAYS - This is a solo run, through hard mode, gonna get 100% of everything. And do it in a timely fashion. I don't mean to BRAG, but I am the 23rd fastest person in the entire world at beating this game, as of 10/9/2013. 2) TAG TEAM - I'll be co-commenting along with perennial favorite and near-human Mzbundifund, as he plays through the game for the first time. Normal mode (since you have to beat the game once to unlock hard mode), possibly 100% if he insists on finding everything, but not if he doesn't. Ima let him take the reigns and just shoot the breeze with him as he does. Give him some encouragement folks, he tries. 3) BONUS ROUND - This is going to contain a) the side quests and little extras in the game that I don't want to bog down the regular play-through with, and b) some special extra cultural stuff that I thought was neat enough to throw in the game. Who knows what else'll happen later, but that's good for now I think. Bacter fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Aug 12, 2014 |
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1) make sure you're watching the videos in HD! 2) There's a slight sync problem that isn't showing up on my test video - I'll fix it soon, but the video is still plenty watchable for now! 3) VVV REFERENCES OWNAGE LIST (probably to be replaced by a pretty graphic at some point!) Ulvirich Majora's Mask Six of Spades Insanity Wolf Mega Man Mario Bros Minecraft O'rly owl Neige Me Gusta face Grumpy Cat Gato Grunon Cat Food! "Gentlemen" Stratavarius Booster from Super Mario RPG Link Castle Crashers Mr. Destructoid Giant Bomb dscruffy1 Link getting ready to bodyslam Ganondorf (in church) ANGRY ROOSTER awesomesauce might be a reference to sriracha? (I'll count it!) First ep. name Fire Flower in Tule Tree Choco Boco Buisness Cat Bachelor Frog 8bit MarioBit Trip Runner Viva Piñata Erik Shawn-Bohner Sweet Tequila info The Grundtvigian Hernando's Hideaway Awesome information about the -ucho suffix Non-EuclideanCat Prinny Chozo Statues Metroid statues (close enough!) Hirayuki Hablando del rey de roma idiom Mr. Maltose Magical Realism note Nimby Das Boot Angry Birds Fiendly Tobasco sauce Kangra Superbrothers Green Intern Attack of the Killer Tomatoes Lobster Horse The mystery of the audio Wario Megaman pattern in wall space invaders Majora's mask warp points Scribbleykins Mega man energy tank FH_Meta 8-bit Mario Donkey Kong TheGreatGildersneeze" Escape Goat (Goat Trainer) "SplinterFace," which is a nickname of the smug grin Splinter throws at the camera in the victory cutscene for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time for the SNES. Bacter fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Jun 5, 2014 |
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Oct 11, 2013 09:56
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Spotted a Majora's Lucha Mask.  And you're right, the stylized graphics are amazing, same with the animations, also looking forward to the music tracks.Edit: Why didn't you stay and hit the chickens repeatedly, likely nothing would happen.
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Oct 11, 2013 09:58
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Ulvirich posted:Spotted a Majora's Lucha Mask. There's quite a number of references like that in this game. This is a fun rear end game, though.
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Oct 11, 2013 10:26
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I also noticed an Insanity Wolf Tequila, the Majora's Mask Guy was fighting a Mega Man luchador, A poster advertising luchador Mario Bros. and the mining shop had a Minecraft-style pickaxe in its logo. You're right about it being hella reference-heavy, though I'm not sure how I feel about straight up internet memes being there. There had BETTER be Manny Calavera in there somewhere. I'm with you about the art direction being really cool. Paralax backgrounds are nothing new, but always look dope when they scroll at just the right speed and with enough moving parts. The way power up/ability get text flashes at you is cool too, in an epilepsy-inducing kind of way. Edit: Wow, a lot of internet references. I didn't think people even used the 'o rly' thing any more. Six Of Spades fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Oct 11, 2013 11:03
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God drat this game is fun. I really need to go back and do a proper 100% run one of these days.
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Oct 11, 2013 12:41
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Incidentally, the absolutely excellent song at the beginning that I cut in is Ileso by Control Machete. It's been in my "running songs" mix for a WHILE now. Edit for Strat: I get your point, BUT consider that most of these are intended to be viewed out of the corner of your eye as you dash past - just window dressing in a very stylized environment. Bacter fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Oct 11, 2013 13:38
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This is a pretty cool game. I had heard a bit about it, but seeing it play out is actually seems really fun. Also, I'm pretty sure that is a picture of Booster from Super Mario RPG in the house in Santa Luchita, Link was in a few places as a luchador, Castle Crashers, and Mr. Destructoid VS Giant Bomb poster. And yeah, there seems to be a ton of references just shoved in there, particularly bad internet memes. It's honestly a bit overdone already and the game seems to have barely started. I just wish they were a little more subtle or more clever.
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Oct 11, 2013 14:18
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Stratavarius posted:And yeah, there seems to be a ton of references just shoved in there, particularly bad internet memes. It's honestly a bit overdone already and the game seems to have barely started. I just wish they were a little more subtle or more clever. You've more or less seen all instances of these kind of references in the game. There's only the two towns, and the posters mostly only appear in or right outside of them. There's a few more in the land of the dead which you go to later, but that's basically it.
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Oct 11, 2013 14:53
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Alternate working thread title: So You Juan To Be A Hero. I wanted to do this myself but I have faith in you.   e: Nobody mentioned it, but the middle window in the church is definitely Link getting ready to bodyslam Ganondorf. And ANGRY ROOSTER awesomesauce might be a reference to sriracha? dscruffy1 fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Oct 11, 2013 15:10
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No one noticed Me Gusta Guava, with the Me Gusta face (29:48)? I think I also saw Grumpy Cat as well. EDIT: 32:01! Gato Grunon Cat Food! Blink and you'll miss it! EDIT the second: "Gentlemen" Churros at 32:32! Neige fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Oct 11, 2013 15:53
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I fell off of this game right before the last level when I realized what I was up against for a proper ending Tree Tops  but it was a blast up until then.As far as the references go, there's a few groaners but I think they put enough flavor in them that it doesn't matter.
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Oct 11, 2013 16:16
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Oh yeah, I should mention that spoilers, except really dumb egregious ones like"hey guys this is the bad guys master plan!!" are fine. The tree tops are absolutely evil platforming, which I'm now able to do with under 10 errors, due to Stockholm Syndrome and muscle memory. Edit: Also, the metroid and choozo statues are still up for grabs, yo! And am I wrong in thinking that the finger-pointing staff in the goattrainer's hut is probably a reference to something? Bacter fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Oct 11, 2013 16:28
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Rodyle posted:I fell off of this game right before the last level when I realized what I was up against for a proper ending Tree Tops Megaman platforms was also a hard one, but Tree Tops was insane.
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Oct 11, 2013 16:28
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infinitycanvas posted:Megaman platforms was also a hard one, but Tree Tops was insane. Having said that: "Psyche" Bacter posted:yellow skeletons I think those are my most hated enemies in the game.Hold on, what do you mean if they get hit by a downward punch they can't dodge the followup combo? 
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Oct 11, 2013 17:13
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Yeah, it took me until my second play-through to realize that one. I honestly have no idea how I would have managed flame face on hard without that piece of knowledge. And there is a LOT of competition for most-hated enemy for me. Large numbers of chupacabras, those energy-wing guys, yellow guys combined with enormous esqueletos, there is a lot of competition for awful. VIDEO IS UN-DE-SYNC'D Bacter fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Oct 11, 2013 17:34
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Ah man, I still need to finish this game. Excited to see it LP'd though I noticed Buisness Cat (Gato Negocio) VS Bachelor Frog (Rana Soltero) in the first town, around 4:01. E: Also found an 8bit Mario in the wall at 28:41 and the Bit Trip Runner guy at 30:55. And has no one claimed Viva Piñata? Choco Boco fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Oct 11, 2013 19:12
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So you're going to do the third Caverna Del Pollo as Skelton for the Steam chives, right? 
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Oct 11, 2013 19:53
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I've actually done a full play through on hard never changing out of skeleton - the question is how much of it is interesting to show! I'll at LEAST show off that achievement
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Oct 11, 2013 20:13
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This is a quite beautiful game. It's clear that there was a lot of care and love put into it. Little baby chickens
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Oct 11, 2013 20:24
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Bacter posted:I've actually done a full play through on hard never changing out of skeleton - the question is how much of it is interesting to show! I'll at LEAST show off that achievement The only other achievement I would say definitely show off is The Old-Fashioned Way. The real way, not the cheat way.
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Oct 11, 2013 20:28
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Btw, by EXECUTIVE ORDER: Good gameplay tips (that I'm missing out on) Fanart/original creations Notes about the setting/characters/whatever Are also redeemable for prize cred, and NOT necessarily on a 1:1 exchange rate(!)
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Oct 11, 2013 20:53
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Unless the developers don't know anything about tequila or are purposefully ignoring it, the setting of this game is definitely in Mexico. There's international treaties to respect Mexico's laws that tequila can only be produced in Jalisco (which is where blue agave is native and commercially grown for the purpose of making tequila) and a few small, select parts of other regions. It can't be marked as tequila unless it meets those and other legal specifications. Spirits produced from other breeds of agave or in other regions is mezcal, the stuff with the worm in it. That'd place the geography as (most likely) Jalisco, Mexico which is western-central.
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Oct 11, 2013 21:25
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Man, I kept seeing things that I sort of vaguely knew were from the internet and then googling them to find out their name and everyone had already got them all  Also, at 30:09 there's graffiti on the wall of the eagle eating the snake that's on the Mexican flag so seems like it's probably Mexico to me! ^well that's a much better informed and more specific guess CestMoi fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Oct 11, 2013 |
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Oct 11, 2013 23:35
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 Loved what I played of this game. That said, the coordination required later on grated on me something horrible. I ended up stopping because drat I'M GETTING BAD AT THESE PLATFORMING SEGMENTS.
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Oct 12, 2013 03:07
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Bacter posted:Yeah, it took me until my second play-through to realize that one. I honestly have no idea how I would have managed flame face on hard without that piece of knowledge. Bacter posted:And there is a LOT of competition for most-hated enemy for me. Large numbers of chupacabras, those energy-wing guys, yellow guys combined with enormous esqueletos, there is a lot of competition for awful.
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Oct 12, 2013 03:30
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It's cool how this game has made you much more knowledgeable of south american culture. I salute your intellectual curiosity!
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Oct 12, 2013 03:49
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Erik Shawn-Bohner posted:Unless the developers don't know anything about tequila or are purposefully ignoring it, the setting of this game is definitely in Mexico. There's international treaties to respect Mexico's laws that tequila can only be produced in Jalisco (which is where blue agave is native and commercially grown for the purpose of making tequila) and a few small, select parts of other regions. It can't be marked as tequila unless it meets those and other legal specifications. Spirits produced from other breeds of agave or in other regions is mezcal, the stuff with the worm in it. I didn't realize booze was such serious business.
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Oct 12, 2013 03:54
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Aw yeah, I picked this up myself not too long ago. I haven't quite figured the game out yet but it's pretty satisfying when you put together one of those huge 50 hit combos.
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Oct 12, 2013 04:14
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I want to say Tutorial Chicken's "dood" is a Prinny reference, but I don't know if it's enough of a thing to count.Bacter posted:Edit: Also, the metroid and choozo statues are still up for grabs, yo! That just feels like cheating. Rodyle posted:I didn't realize booze was such serious business. Similarly, there are numerous trade agreements in place that make it so that the name "bourbon" can only be applied to the drink if it was made in the U.S.
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Oct 12, 2013 04:19
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I'll hold off sharing my easy mode strats for beating the combo challenge rooms until you get to them, however one really effective strategy I found for fights is that your special attacks can be interrupted with a dodge. Most special attacks have an attack animation with a long pause at the end, which you can completely negate with the dodge. It keeps you moving and following behind your enemies to continue your combos. If you have a lot of stamina and the blue skill, you can speed up general travel time doing this, too.
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Oct 12, 2013 08:00
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"Pueblucho" (also seen as "poblacho" in some areas) is actually a Spanish slang word, used throughout Latin America to mean "lousy one-horse cowtown."  edit: The local bar being "Hernando's" is likely a reference to the familiar old song "Hernando's Hideaway." The Grundtvigian fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Oct 12, 2013 |
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Oct 12, 2013 08:22
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Ahhh so cool, Grundtvigian! So I knew the -ito suffix was diminutive, but the idea was that it was endearing. So a pueblo is a town, a pueblito would be a fun, quaint, cute little town, but -ucho is dimunutive and kind of pejorative, so a pueblucho is a crappy town, a casucho is a run-down little shack of a house, etc. I just love that there are suffixes for both calling something small, both in the cute and the crappy sense. Spanish is pretty awesome, you guys!
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Oct 12, 2013 13:54
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You mentioned that "king of Rome" was a mild expletive in Spanish; in this case, Frey seemed to be saying "Speaking of the King of Rome...[and through the door he appears]" as we say "Speak of the devil...[and he will appear]" The two were discussing El Presidente's daughter when she walked in the door.
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Oct 12, 2013 14:57
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Oh hey, Guacamelee! This game rocks! Oh hey, Guacamelee. This game is not Magical Realism. To be fair, there are a lot of people who get the genre confused with general fantasty, some people even say that Magical Realism is Fantasy by South Americans. The people who say that are fuckers and will be up against the wall when the time comes. Guacamelee is super cool fantasy with a fresh Mexican setting, but it lacks a lot of elements that make Magical Realism. Mostly the Realism. The genre is defined by a hyper-realist presentation of setting and life, except there's always the single exception where something fantastic or magical is present. However, even that supernatural element is discussed and approached in a realist manner. Guacamelee would probably be a pretty boring game if it was Magical Realist. Instead it's just balls to the wall and great for it.
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Bacter posted:Ahhh so cool, Grundtvigian! I apologize beforehand for the nitpick, but the word you were looking for a run-down little shack of a house is "casucha" because "casucho" would only come in a semantically awkward manner from "caso" (making it mean as an absolutely insignificant case) through the First Rule of dealing with Spanish/Italian/Romance Nouns stating that, barring some exceptions, appended suffixes, articles and adjectives should match with the gender and number of the intended noun in the same way "un-a casa" (a house) can become "un-a cas-uch-a apart-ad-a" (a far/removed/separate run-down little shack of a house). Just another aspect of Latin-based languages becoming quite fun when they're seen as multi-layered puzzle games. Also, while -ucho is usually a strong pejorative in the semantic vacuum, it can also lead to a really tongue-in-cheek way to talk about anything and it's really a big mark of how much trust was earned if someone calls you with one of those nouns and there's no hint of malice in the tone. Anyways, this game impress me with how fitting it is for its setting to be described as "Fantasy Mexico", starting with all the motifs for el Día de los Muertos: Here in Venezuela as well as nearby South-american countries, delivering flowers to the loved ones' graves quietly is enough to celebrate November the 2nd instead of all enthusiasm and color that's given in the Mexican take on the date's celebrations. And last but not least, "Cachito de Corazón" might be one of the most ways to signal getting more health.
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Oct 12, 2013 17:21
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Could Angry Rooster be a reference to Angry Birds? Also a cheap, easy reference: Das Boot is a movie! This game gives me a very 'Grim Fandango' vibe, even the art looks kinda the same.
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Omobono posted:I think my go-to for that last one was rooster uppercut into air combo, the instant the big guy tries anything use a forward special if I'm in the air / dodge behind if on the ground, repeat. Piledrivers to spice, other specials if stamina permits. My life totally changed when I realized you could dodgeroll out of their attacks. Suspect Bucket posted:It's cool how this game has made you much more knowledgeable of south american culture. I salute your intellectual curiosity! Oh man, you ain't seen nothin' yet. There's so much to go through! infinitycanvas posted:If you have a lot of stamina and the blue skill, you can speed up general travel time doing this, too. I bet this is INSANE with the skeleton suit. But is it really faster than just constant dodge-rolling? Hirayuki posted:You mentioned that "king of Rome" was a mild expletive in Spanish; in this case, Frey seemed to be saying "Speaking of the King of Rome...[and through the door he appears]" as we say "Speak of the devil...[and he will appear]" The two were discussing El Presidente's daughter when she walked in the door. Ahh awesome! Alright points for the idiom! And because I'm an idio...t? Mr. Maltose posted:"Magical Realism" You know, I admit to my shame that I probably only said Magical Realism because of the general Latin America/South American setting. Still, I should do a lil' video about Magic Realism because it's an insane and awesome genre! AstraSage posted:[Spanish stuff] I didn't even look it up until now, but it ABSOLUTELY is. And it's true that for a doofus like me, Spanish is a puzzle (if you ever listen to me talk in Spanish, it will impress you how out of my way I go to use only present tense!), I really like the huge variety of ways to express your feelings over something. Is it a little place that you like? Is it a dumpy shack? Is it some beat-up old place that you really actually do like but you know isn't really posh? All these terms are VERY CLOSE to each other! nimby posted:
Funny you should say that... Oh incidentally, for anybody who's in a place where DDLM (día de los muertos) is celebrated, I'm putting together my first little cultural note on it, and I wanted some good songs, not necessarially traditional, but ones you'd associate with the holiday. So far I've got: El pajarito verde El agachadito La polla pinta El 4 vueltas Los frijolitos pintos Los comanches El rapidito Los huaraches Los enanos Los Matlachines El zopilote And after that I'll probably just throw in something else by Control Machete, who I am now obsessed with. But I'd take additions to that list, too! Bacter fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Oct 12, 2013 |
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nimby posted:Could Angry Rooster be a reference to Angry Birds? Could be, but I think it's a reference to sriracha.
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Bacter posted:I bet this is INSANE with the skeleton suit. But is it really faster than just constant dodge-rolling? Well you still get that speed from dodge, but between each dodge you also get the first half of the blue animation.
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