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Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

It was for freedom
From myself and from the land


We've had both cinema and animation threads for years and now finally a TV thread. Rejoice for Smallville is no longer on the air and live action television adaptations of comic book properties have improved. Feel free to use this thread to discuss current live action shows, past shows and in particular their differences from their comic book properties.

Current Shows

MARVEL'S AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D.



From the people that brought you all those Marvel films you've watched since Iron Man comes Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Marvel, Marvel, Marvel, a Joss Whedon and Jeph Loeb production. Following on from the events of Avengers and Iron Man 3 Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. follows Agent Coulson (who is totally not an LMD) as he puts together a team of wise cracking agents who travel the world fighting bad dudes. Coulson's team consists of Agent Melinda May (the retired superbad rear end who doesn't want to fight but will), Agent Grant Ward (the blandest dude imaginable), Skye (super hacker with secrets of her own), Agent Leo Fitz (male scientist with goofy accent) and Agent Jemma Simmons (female scientist with goofy accent). Basically it's a Joss Whedon show.

The Appeal
Out of all the show's on the horizon Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is the one with the biggest opportunity to have big effects, movie stars and crazy superhero/villains. Whether it capitalizes on any of this remains to be seen.

ARROW



A couple of years ago someone in DC sat down and really enjoyed Nolan's Batman films and thought "maybe we could make a TV show like that" and so Arrow was born. The show follows Oliver Queen who has recently returned to Starling City after being thought to be dead for years after getting lost at sea. The reason for his return? To murder as many bad guys as he can. The show switches between the present day and his "lost years" on a mysterious island where he was trained in the ways of vigilantism by Deathstroke. Season One has been recently added to Netflix and focuses on Oliver attempting to adjust to a vigilante lifestyle while acquiring a team of helpers. The recently started Season Two will escalate things adding more heroes and more villains as Oliver attempts to adjust from murderous vigilante to masked hero. Starring Oliver Queen aka The Hood aka Green Arrow, Oliver's Abs (impervious to pain and unable to be contained by shirts), Diggle (the badass sidekick), Felicity Smoak (the smart sidekick and no relation to Firestorm), Dinah "Laurel" Lance (the love interest and one day Black Canary), Thea Queen (Speedy) and Roy Harper (the soon to be Red Arrow, Arsenal, Probably not Speedy). Basically it's a CW show.

The Appeal: Within it's first season Arrow threw out some great fight scenes, some interesting twists on DC characters and has set up some interesting plots. It's not been afraid to use established comic characters and has Slade Wilson, Count Vertigo, Merlin, Deadshot, China White, Huntress and more show up and Season 2 is bringing The Flash on board. Enjoying dude's abs is a plus.


THE WALKING DEAD



One of the biggest shows around doesn't really get talked a lot in BSS but fits under the banner. The series follows Rick Grimes and his band of merry followers as they try to survive a zombie apocalypse while constantly meeting up terrible people who also want to kill them.

The Appeal Zombies? If somebody wants to write up a better description for the show go ahead.

FUTURE SHOWS

The Flash

The Flashiest show around. Building off the hype of Arrow DC/CW plan to use the momentum to give the Flash his own series. Whether it comes to fruition or gets more than a handful of episodes will all depend on how his character is received in Arrow.

Gotham

DC train keeps on rolling. Following Detective Jim Gordon little is known about the show other than it will air on Fox and will probably take place in a time pre-Batman.

Untitled Walking Dead Spin-Off

The main series is so successful it's got it's own spin off in the pipeline following new characters. If none of them are called Clementine I probably won't care

PROBABLY WON'T EVER BEEN SEEN

Constantine

As DC continue to shop shows around NBC is interested in making a TV Show following every bodies favorite rear end in a top hat. Should it happen expect it to be very similar to the Keanu film.

AKA Jessica Jones

It's been years but ABC is considering a series following Jessica Jones. Given that there's already been a show called Alias it's being shopped with the above title. Probably won't happen but if SHIELD takes off who knows.

Amazon

DCs millionth attempt to make a Wonder Woman project.

Powers

Brian Bendis and Mike Oeming's book has been shopped around for years (even has an unaired pilot) but will probably never come to be. A police procedural set in a world with superhero's FX have passed on multiple retoolings.

Locke & Key

A TV pilot was made by Mark Romanek a number of years back but was never picked up and so far has only been shown at various conventions. The most people can hope for is that it leaks at some point.

THE PAST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a1cMt2ADzY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2woRmWMhm0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa9b7ZQ3Zkw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_IykbJd19Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rebg5YfiBEI

If I've forgotten anything let me know and i'll edit it in.

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Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

'sup?


In response the SHIELD ep3 having created an original villain:

Hall is the Avenger villain Graviton. I don't know if his comic origin was the same, but he isn't original. I also enjoyed the show.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Ever have one of those day?

You forgot the first Shield show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTR8x3jpDdQ

Milotic
Mar 4, 2009

9CL apologist

Soonmot posted:

In response the SHIELD ep3 having created an original villain:

Hall is the Avenger villain Graviton. I don't know if his comic origin was the same, but he isn't original. I also enjoyed the show.

Ah, that makes sense then. I knew there was a gravity-based villain (albeit from the EMH cartoon though for some reason I thought he was an original creation for that as well). Though the team would have to seriously tool up in terms of stuff like Hulkbusters and whatnot if they start going toe-to-toe with supervillains. On an unrelated matter, the fanboy inside me wants teasers to start cropping up in the episodes for Avengers 2 or even the Dark World. (Yes I want my entertainment to be a marketing vehicle for other entertainment I'd go see anyway, shush).

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005




Waterhaul posted:

If I've forgotten anything let me know and i'll edit it in.

I thought of a few things.

1950s: The Adventures of Superman, B&W and color

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2l4bz1FT8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1C8d2qZrbA

'60s: The Green Hornet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIwsqFjfKPs

'70s: Wonder Woman (they had a different one each season)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx2JdJhAL94

The Incredible Hulk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuAcneSU7ys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU5aTiJEGGk

Spider-Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMcCt2Ag4Sg

'80s: Superboy/The Adventures of Superboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzokRx6wixQ

'90s: Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-N3o1IAxFc
(this show apparently had a new intro variation every season )

Sorry for the awful quality on some of these, I'd make my own if I knew how just to not have hideously ugly versions as the only things available.

McSpanky fucked around with this message at Oct 13, 2013 around 22:59

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


God, Mutant X was garbage. And so different from the comics that didn't they sue Marvel to not have to pay for the name? Like, it was an off-brand X-Men rip-off. Change the terminology and it'd be as safe as Relic Hunter (lovely Canadian Tia Carrere-starring Tomb Raider rip-off).

Milotic posted:

Ah, that makes sense then. I knew there was a gravity-based villain (albeit from the EMH cartoon though for some reason I thought he was an original creation for that as well). Though the team would have to seriously tool up in terms of stuff like Hulkbusters and whatnot if they start going toe-to-toe with supervillains.

With Graviton, probably, though you could maybe work something where he's just a normal guy in terms of the punishment he can take, so sneak attacks work? And they half have their excuse with Ming-na Wen's character basically being an Agent 13/Black Widow/Mockingbird stand-in. They could even slip a line in where she was on the shortlist for the Avenger Initiative before she asked for desk duty.

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 3, 2011


Waterhaul posted:

THE WALKING DEAD

The Appeal Zombies? If somebody wants to write up a better description for the show go ahead.

The Appeal Masochism. If you hate yourself this is the show to watch because it is unbelievably garbage. It somehow manages to be worse than the comic and the comic was already an embarrassment to the medium of sequential art.

The Missing Link
Aug 13, 2008

Should do fine against cats.


The Arrow show is really good. I just started it cause the first season was on Netflix and I love it.

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

men's ass is a staple of the Metal Gear series

SALT CURES HAM posted:

The Appeal Masochism. If you hate yourself this is the show to watch because it is unbelievably garbage. It somehow manages to be worse than the comic and the comic was already an embarrassment to the medium of sequential art.

On the other hand, the episodes with Morgan are both great, and some of the scenes between Meryl and Daryl are really good, to the point where the show can move between being one of the best shows on television and one of the worst in a single episode.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


The Missing Link posted:

The Arrow show is really good. I just started it cause the first season was on Netflix and I love it.

Gotta respect it for going balls-out with the DCU stuff. Second episode of the season and we're getting a 3-way between Bronze Tiger, China White and Green Arrow (who uses green arrowheads, fletching, a green hood and green mascara...)

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

I'm a real asshole about the stupidest shit

Arrow is so TV-tooled and still manages to be faithful to the source material and of decent quality in spite of itself. It's honestly impressive.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Chokepoints!

I am going to have to check out Arrow. I certainly enjoyed Smallville when it had wider DCU stuff in it. Now if it just was on Canadian netflix we'd be all set.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

MISCHARF and Maple Syrup


twistedmentat posted:

I am going to have to check out Arrow. I certainly enjoyed Smallville when it had wider DCU stuff in it. Now if it just was on Canadian netflix we'd be all set.

Unblock US is totally worth the $5/month

Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007


twistedmentat posted:

I am going to have to check out Arrow. I certainly enjoyed Smallville when it had wider DCU stuff in it. Now if it just was on Canadian netflix we'd be all set.

I jumped into the second season without having seen any of the first and it worked great for me (you can see it streaming on ctv.ca). It's obviously a CW show so it "behaves" a certain way and Oliver Queen could feel less like a Batman knock-off but they look like they're taking him in a cool, superhero-appropriate story and that is fun to see.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

join the club


Arrow is also a super melodramatic show for teenagers, so everything you don't like about The Vampire Diaries and Pretty Little Liars is also present in Arrow.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Chokepoints!

Opopanax posted:

Unblock US is totally worth the $5/month

But I can only use it on my computer and I have a nice big HD tv I'd want to watch it on. Or my kindle HD.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

MISCHARF and Maple Syrup


twistedmentat posted:

But I can only use it on my computer and I have a nice big HD tv I'd want to watch it on. Or my kindle HD.

Set it up right on your router and it works for everything

Yannick_B
Oct 11, 2007


scary ghost dog posted:

Arrow is also a super melodramatic show for teenagers, so everything you don't like about The Vampire Diaries and Pretty Little Liars is also present in Arrow.

Yeah, that is the CW part of it. A lot of characters entering a set, STATING their EMOTIONS, then the scene ends. It's just how any show on that network will be. That being said, everyone's soapy emotional stories do tie together.

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

All creature will die and all the things will be broken. That's the law of samurai.


Opopanax posted:

Set it up right on your router and it works for everything

Yep, I've done it, and it was quick and easy. EU Netflix sucks rear end.

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

It was for freedom
From myself and from the land


Arrow is high on melodrama but I think they mix things up enough to keep it fresh and it's superhero stuff so it kind of comes with the territory. It also has call backs to The Raid and Oldboy with it's fight scenes which counteract that.


McSpanky posted:

I thought of a few things.

The music on the old Spider-Man tv series

Also those videos got me thinking of some more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzJT9zqVZtY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4vTH9GnFRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiUrtwC6LmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7TR4ixOkhM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5d6BUq6rYI

And to end on the best part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MxGtH-2duM

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Make the posts!
Make the posts!



That one's good, but I feel Marvel tries to play up the "This is insane" factor a little too much in their trailer. I prefer the original intro because it's just doing everything you'd expect out of a live-action Spider-Man intro with bad web special effects and wall crawling and a lot of posing, then out of loving nowhere Spider-Man summons a giant robot at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPX-FX0KStE

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Chokepoints!

Opopanax posted:

Set it up right on your router and it works for everything

Cool, I will have to try that out once I get a chance.

MelvinTheJerk
Jun 4, 2001

I'm still here.


Soonmot posted:

In response the SHIELD ep3 having created an original villain:

Hall is the Avenger villain Graviton. I don't know if his comic origin was the same, but he isn't original. I also enjoyed the show.

As the reigning West Coast Avengers expert in BSS or maybe anywhere, I'll chime in:

No, it's not.

That said, the ending of the episode ties in pretty close to the origin in Earth's Mightiest Heroes. In EMH, Hall has been kept in a permanent comatose state because he's too powerful to have conscious, but they can't kill him either. So he's hidden away and the proverbial key is thrown away, it's one of no doubt a million of Fury's dirty little secrets. When the poo poo keeping him under fails he wakes up and realizes he's lost the past 10 years of his life and he is loving PISSED. The end of the episode sets up a similar thing, but with Coulson hiding him instead of Fury.

The origin for Graviton in the comics is a little less dignified. Frank Hall is a lovely scientist who accidentally gets powers. However, given that he's such a lovely, petty person his immediate reaction is to use them to gently caress with people who he feels have slighted him. Graviton is arguably one of the most powerful beings on the planet, but because he's such an egotistic, small minded person he routinely gets foiled by the West Coast Avengers. The roster that stops him is Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Tigra, Wonder Man, and either Drunk Iron Man or Rhodey Iron Man.

Here's his origin as explained by him, West Coast Avengers #13



And this image sums up both Graviton and Tigra nicely:

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


The EMH premiere with him is still one of my favourite moments from that show. He increases gravity to the point where none of the Avengers can get off the ground, not even Thor.

Then Hulk starts to get up. So Graviton redoubles the force he's putting on them.

Then Hulk starts to get up.



It does raise the question in the SHIELD series of if he's too powerful to actually bring back, short of having Hemsworth or someone doing a sweeps week guest shot.

Thunderfinger
Jan 15, 2011



I'm glad that someone posted stuff about the Japanese Spider-Man show, even if it's just teasers or trailers. SA's Chip and Ironicus has done a Retsuprae of the first episode you can watch here on their website. The show is just as crazy as you think it is.

Billy Idle
Sep 25, 2009



Hahaha, his origin is "I was working on a teleportation device when a dramatic accident occurred.....at which point I spazzed my way into the middle of a totally-unrelated gravity experiment and got zapped."

That's awesome. I hope the writer did it that way to intentionally make fun of the lab accident trope.

I also like how at first he just uses his powers to gently caress with his coworkers. Honestly, that's the first thing I'd do, too.

Billy Idle fucked around with this message at Oct 15, 2013 around 02:45

Daler Mehndi
Apr 10, 2005
Tunak Tunak Tun!

Billy Idle posted:

That's awesome. I hope the writer did it that way to intentionally make fun of the lab accident trope.
I assure you, it was played completely straight. Because that's how comics rolled back then.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

Deathstork the Terminator


Another couple that crashed and burned...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlcO39gUyvg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmLGbRBjrL4

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!


If Deadline's sources on this are good, Marvel apparently has some very ambitious TV plans for the next few years... which, despite their corporate ownership, may not necessarily involve traditional broadcast or cable networks.

quote:

No one would breathe a word, with rumors that everyone from top to bottom is bound by strict nondisclosure agreements, but I hear that Marvel is quietly putting together a package of four drama series and a miniseries — a total of some 60 episodes — that would be taken out to the VOD and cable space, with Netflix, Amazon and WGN America rumored as potential candidates. Feelers had been send out, and I hear there’s already interest from digital platforms and traditional cable networks in the package, which I hear is in very early stages with very little talent attached. Reps for Marvel refused any comment.

quote:

Committing to 60 episodes off the bat is a big undertaking for a network/digital service but would make sense for outlets new to scripted programming that are looking to quickly build up a slate and want to capitalize on the Marvel brand.

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

'sup?


Barry Convex posted:

If Deadline's sources on this are good, Marvel apparently has some very ambitious TV plans for the next few years... which, despite their corporate ownership, may not necessarily involve traditional broadcast or cable networks.

Please be Netflix!

Servoret
Nov 8, 2009



A few more shows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqtm2T52lRE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5LhB2X0cuA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCkHqoEzoMc

MelvinTheJerk
Jun 4, 2001

I'm still here.


Gaz-L posted:

The EMH premiere with him is still one of my favourite moments from that show. He increases gravity to the point where none of the Avengers can get off the ground, not even Thor.

Then Hulk starts to get up. So Graviton redoubles the force he's putting on them.

Then Hulk starts to get up.



It does raise the question in the SHIELD series of if he's too powerful to actually bring back, short of having Hemsworth or someone doing a sweeps week guest shot.

Well to reiterate, his greatest weakness is that he's a lovely person always focused on the wrong goal. In the mini series he's focused on trying to become a crime boss. In the above issue he's trying to embarrass the WCA and, I poo poo you not, set up a floating island where he can keep Tigra as a sex slave. Again, this is a dude who controls GRAVITY. When he brags all the time about having god like powers, he's not making GBS threads you. He really is that powerful. He just can't control himself, so he's a joke.

I can see in the show him coming out and being absurdly powerful, but because he's so focused on loving with Coulson and getting revenge he ultimately allows himself to get beat by the regular crew. It would fit with the character and also make the team look legitimate. Ordinary people taking on an extraordinary menace and finding a way to win.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Locke and Key is actually being made into a movie trilogy instead.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

Barry Convex posted:

If Deadline's sources on this are good, Marvel apparently has some very ambitious TV plans for the next few years... which, despite their corporate ownership, may not necessarily involve traditional broadcast or cable networks.

This sounds like an excellent strategy to me. This way they are able to take a few more risks while simultaneously playing it safe.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Make the posts!
Make the posts!


Barry Convex posted:

If Deadline's sources on this are good, Marvel apparently has some very ambitious TV plans for the next few years... which, despite their corporate ownership, may not necessarily involve traditional broadcast or cable networks.

WGN America? That's an odd (possible) choice for a network...

Gorilla Salad
Sep 22, 2003

There's no problem that can't be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts


SALT CURES HAM posted:

The Appeal Masochism. If you hate yourself this is the show to watch because it is unbelievably garbage. It somehow manages to be worse than the comic and the comic was already an embarrassment to the medium of sequential art.

I watched every single episode of Dexter but still couldn't make it past one season of the Walking Dead. That's how loving bad it was.

SALT CURES HAM
Jan 3, 2011



Every night you come into my room
and pin me down
with your strong arms
you pin me down
and I try to fight you
you come inside me
you fill me up and I become the Nightman

Cardboard Box A
Jul 18, 2004
VTech Asian Pride

You're missing the original (and best) human target intro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7JrOj6HAc

Now with the Mission Impossible Mask Making Machine and the Forever Aloft Stealth Bomber HQ!

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

Because if I tell you, you'll tell your friends, your friends are callin' me on the horn all the time, I gotta show up at shopping centers for openings and sign autographs and shit like that and it makes my life a *hell*. Okay? A living hell.


Hey remember when they tried to squeeze some more mileage out of the 1950s Superman TV series by sticking midgets in dog costumes and making them act out dumb pun-laden scripts on the Superman set?

SUPERPUP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJnsZrVn0vc

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jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

Power Gamer for Hire


Gaz-L posted:

It does raise the question in the SHIELD series of if he's too powerful to actually bring back, short of having Hemsworth or someone doing a sweeps week guest shot.

That's the classic battle, though. The totally outmatched hero(es) against an impossible foe who they beat through a combination of skill, luck, planning, and the villain's hubris. The Fantastic Four vs Galactus, Spider-Man vs Thanos, Dazzler & Psylocke & Longshot & Rogue vs The Juggernaut, Squirrel Girl vs Doctor Doom. And so on and so forth. Frankly, I expect to see Ward, May, and Coulson sidelined pretty quickly and have it come down to Skye stalling him while FitzSimmons comes up with the final answer. The fact that they were hsi students adds pathos to the encounter.

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