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Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

They say I'm a madman...
But I'm not mad
at anybody

Honest, I'm not.


Updated 06/21/2014

The current state of Windows 8.1 tablets

If you're interested in buying a Windows 8.1 tablet, there's a few things you need to know.

- All of these devices run full Windows 8.1, that means you can access desktop and run your normal programs. Windows RT is basically dead outside of the non pro version of Surface.
- Most of these devices come with either a full version of Office Home & Student 2013 or a year trial to Office 365. The ones that don't are usually over $500.
- Microsoft lowered the required specs for Windows 8.1 to 16 GB of storage and 1 GB of RAM. They are also giving away licenses to OEMs for devices under a certain screen size and discounted versions of Windows 8.1 w/ Bing to the others. Toshiba seems to have embraced this along with a few unknown Chinese companies. I have no idea how they'll perform but you'll probably be better off buying an older device or spending more money on a better spec device.
- Even though I'm only covering the next wave of devices in detail, any of the machines listed under "old devices" are still a perfectly valid choice.

Old 8 inch devices

Dell Venue 8 Pro - Best all around device in the 8 inch category
Acer Iconia W4 - Micro-HDMI out, best in it's class battery life
Toshiba Encore 8 - Micro-HDMI out
Lenovo Mixx 2 - Lightest
ASUS Vivotab 8 - Wacom stylus


Old 10+ inch devices

ASUS Transformer Book T100 - Included keyboard dock
HP Omni 10 - Price, 1920 x 1200 screen
Dell Venue 11 Pro - User replaceable battery, 1920 x 1080 screen
Microsoft Surface 2 Pro - Power, Wacom digitizer
Microsoft Surface 1 Pro - Bad battery life, power, Wacom digitizer
Fujitsu STYLISTIC Q584 Tablet PC - Durability, water/dustproof

AVOID

Any RT device
Anything with the last generation Atom processor (Intel Atom Z2____)
Acer Iconia W3

Released - Current 10.1+ inch models

Acer Aspire Switch 10 ($379.99 for basic 32 GB model)



Gimmick: Yoga style detachable keyboard (included)
Version of Office: Office Home & Student 2013
Variations: 64 GB model ($429.99), 32 GB with a 500 GB hard drive in the keyboard (??? - coming soon)

- Tablet: 10.3 x 7 x 0.35 inch, 1.29 lbs
- With Dock: 10.3 x 7.57 x 0.80 inch, 2.58 lbs
- Charger: DC in
- 10.1" Active Matrix TFT Color LCD with IPS technology and LED backlighting
- Max brightness: 350 nits
- Intel Atom Z3745 quad-core 1.33 GHz processor (Intel Burst Technology up to 1.86 GHz)
- 2 GB of RAM
- 2-cell lithium polymer battery (22 Whrs)
- Up to 8 hours battery life
- 2-megapixel front camera and no back camera
- Bluetooth 4.0 + HS, 1 Micro USB 2.0, 1 USB 2.0, micro HDMI out, microSD slot

ASUS Transformer Book T100 2014 Refresh ($399 for basic 64 GB model)





Gimmick: Detachable keyboard (included), now in multiple cool colors
Version of Office: Office Home & Student 2013
Variations: 32 GB with 500 GB hard drive in keyboard (???)

- Tablet: 10.3 x 6.7 x 0.4 inch, 1.2 lbs
- With Dock: 10.3 x 6.7 x 0.5 inch, 2.3 lbs
- Charger: micro-USB
- 10.1" 16:9 IPS HD (1366x768)
- Max brightness: 228 nits
- Intel Atom Z3775 quad-core 1.47 GHz processor (Intel Burst Technology up to 2.37 GHz)
- 2 GB of RAM
- Up to 11 hours battery life
- 2-cell lithium polymer battery (31 Whrs)
- 1.2-megapixel front camera and no back camera
- Bluetooth 4.0, 1 USB 3.0, 1 Micro USB 2.0, micro HDMI out, microSD slot

Microsoft Surface Pro 3 ($799 for basic 64 GB/i3 model)



Gimmick: 3:2 aspect ratio, Multiposition kickstand, a bunch of detachable keyboards (none included), Surface pen (included)
Version of Office: None
Variations: 128GB/Intel i5 ($999), 256GB/Intel i5 ($1299), 256GB/Intel i7 ($1549), 612GB/Intel i7 ($1940)

- Tablet: 11.5 x 7.93 x 0.36 inch, 1.76 lbs
- Charger: Charging port
- 12" 2160x1440 ClearType Full HD Display
- Max Brightness: 400 nits
- 1.5 GHz i3-4020Y processor with Intel HD Graphics 4200
- 4 GB of RAM (8 GB for 256+ GB models)
- 42 WHr battery
- Up to 9 hours of battery life
- 2-megapixel front camera and 5-megapixel back camera
- Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy, 1 USB 3.0, Mini DisplayPort, microSD slot

Coming soon - 10.1+ inch models

ASUS Transformer Book T200 (rumored $399 for basic 32 GB model)



Release date: Unknown (rumored Q3 2014)
Gimmick: Slightly larger screen, textured back ala the Dell Venue Pro, detachable keyboard (included)
Version of Office: Office Home & Student 2013
Variations: 64 GB model (???), 32 GB with 500 GB hard drive in keyboard (???)

- Tablet: Unknown
- With Dock: Unknown
- Charger: probably micro-USB
- 11.6" 16:9 IPS HD (1366x768)
- Max brightness: Unknown
- Unknown processor
- 2 GB of RAM
- 2-cell lithium polymer battery (38 Whrs)
- Up to 9 hours of battery life
- 2-megapixel front camera and 5-megapixel back camera
- Bluetooth 4.0, 2(?) USB 3.0, 1 Micro USB 2.0, micro HDMI out, microSD slot

ASUS Transformer Book T300 Chi (Unknown)



Release date: Unknown
Gimmick: Thin as gently caress, detachable keyboard (included)
Version of Office: Probably none
Variations: Unknown

- Tablet: ?? x ?? x 0.29 inch, ??? lbs
- With Dock: ?? x ?? x 0.56 inch, ??? lbs
- Charger: Unknown
- 12.5" WQHD IPS Display (2560x1440)
- Max brightness: Unknown
- Unnamed Next Gen Intelģ Coreô Processor
- 2 GB or 4 GB of RAM
- Unknown battery
- Unknown battery life
- Unknown cameras
- 4G LTE, Unknown specifics

ASUS Transformer Book V (Unknown)



Release date: Unknown
Gimmick: Windows 8.1 tablet with a dock on the back for an included Android phone and a keyboard dock (included)
Version of Office: Unknown
Variations: Up to 128 GB eMMC & 1 TB hard drive

- Phone: Android 4.4, 5 inch IPS HD 1080p screen, Unknown Atom quad core processor, up to 64 GB eMMC, 2MP front Camera,
8MP Rear Camera, 2550mah battery, 5.83 x 2.87 x 0.43 inches, 0.31 pounds
- Tablet: Unknown
- With Dock: Unknown
- Charger: Unknown
- 12.5" IPS HD
- Max brightness: Unknown
- Unnamed Next Gen Intelģ Coreô Processor
- 4 GB of RAM
- 2 cell (28WH)
- Unknown battery life
- Unknown cameras
- Unknown specifics

Lenovo Thinkpad 10 ($599 for basic 64 GB model)



Release date: June
Gimmick: Business tablet with quickshot cover (not included) and detachable ultrabook trackpoint-less keyboard with stylus slot (not included - $120)
Version of Office: 1 year trial of Office 365
Variations: 4 GB of RAM (???), 128 GB eMMC (???)

- Tablet: 10.09 x 6.96 x 0.35 inch, 1.32 lbs
- Charger: Unknown
- 10.1Ē WUXGA IPS display (1920 x 1200)
- Max brightness: Unknown
- Intel Atom Z3795 quad-core 1.59 GHz processor (Intel Burst Technology up to 2.37 GHz)
- 2 GB of RAM
- Unknown battery
- Up to 10 hours of battery life
- 2-megapixel front camera and 8-megapixel back camera w/ Auto Focus and Flash
- Bluetooth 4.0, 1 USB 2.0, micro-HDMI out, microSD slot

Toshiba Encore 10 ($269.99 for basic 32 GB of storage/1 GB of RAM model)



Release date: Early July
Gimmick: First of the super cheap Windows 8.1 w/ Bing tablets. Has a keyboard cover (not included)
Version of Office: 1 year trial of Office 365
Variations: 32GB of storage/1GB of RAM/keyboard cover ($299), 64GB of storage/2GB of RAM ($329)

- Tablet: 10.19 x 6.89 x 0.4 inch, 1.2 pounds
- Charger: Unknown
- 10.1" IPS display (1280 x 800)
- Intel Atom Z3735F quad-core 1.33 GHz processor (Intel Burst Technology up to 1.83 GHz)
- 1 GB of RAM (not a mistype)
- Unknown battery
- Up to 8-10 hours of battery life
- 1.2-megapixel front camera and 5-megapixel back camera
- Bluetooth 4.0, 1 micro USB 2.0, micro-HDMI out, microSD slot

HP Pavilion Split X2 2014 refresh ($599 for basic Intel Celeron N2820 model)



Release date: June
Gimmick: 13.3 inch screen, keyboard dock (included)
Version of Office: None
Variations: Celeron N2920 (???), Pentium N3520 (???), 4th Gen Core i3 (???), 4th Gen Core i5 (???), 8 GB of RAM (???)

- Tablet: 12.9 x 8.56 x 0.53 inch, 2.45 lbs
- With dock: 12.9 x 10.01 x 0.89 inch, 4.39 lbs
- Changer: DC in
- 13.3 inch WLED-backlit IPS display (1366 x 768)
- Max brightness: 200 nits
- 500 GB hybrid hard drive (5400 rpm + 8 GB NAND)
- 4 GB of RAM
- Unknown battery
- Up to 5.6 hours of battery life
- Full HD front camera and no back camera
- Bluetooth 4.0, 2 USB 3.0, HDMI out, microSD slot

Coming soon - 7 inch models

Emdoor Miso (Unknown)



Gimmick: First 7 inch Windows 8 w/ Bing tablet
Version of Office: 1 year trial to Office 365
Variations: Unknown

- Tablet: ?? x ?? x ?? inch, ??? lbs
- Charger: Unknown
- 7" with IPS technology (1280 x 800)
- Max brightness: Unknown
- Intel Atom Z3735G quad-core 1.33 GHz processor (Intel Burst Technology up to 1.83 GHz)
- 1 GB of RAM
- Unknown battery
- Up to 6 hours battery life
- 2-megapixel front camera and 2-megapixel back camera
- Bluetooth 4.0, 1 Micro USB 2.0, micro HDMI out, microSD slot

Toshiba Encore 7 (rumored under $150 for basic 16 GB model, unknown release date)



Gimmick: First 7 inch Windows 8.1 w/ bing tablet from a known company
Version of Office: 1 year trial to Office 365
Variations: Unknown

- Tablet: ?? x ?? x ?? inch, 0.77 lbs
- Charger: Unknown
- 7" (1024 x 600)
- Max brightness: Unknown
- Unknown Intel Atom processor
- 1 GB of RAM
- Unknown battery
- Unknown battery life
- Unknown front camera and no back camera
- Bluetooth 4.0, 1 micro USB 2.0, micro-HDMI output, microSD slot

Released - 8 inch models

*see old 8 inch devices section*

Coming soon - 8 inch models

Emdoor Em-i8080 (Rumored $100 for basic 16 GB of storage/1 GB of RAM model)



Gimmick: First $100 Windows 8.1 w/ Bing tablet
Version of Office: Unknown
Variations: Unknown

- Tablet: ?? x ?? x ?? inch, 0.78 lbs
- Charger: Unknown
- 8" with IPS technology (1280 x 800)
- Max brightness: Unknown
- Intel Atom Z3735G quad-core 1.33 GHz processor (Intel Burst Technology up to 1.83 GHz)
- 1 GB of RAM
- 18.5Whr battery
- Unknown battery life
- Unknown "fairly entry-level" front camera, probably no back camera
- 1 Micro USB 2.0, micro HDMI out, microSD slot

Toshiba Encore 2 ($199 for basic 32 GB storage/1 GB of RAM model)



Gimmick: First Windows 8.1 w/ Bing tablet from a known company
Version of Office: 1 year trial to Office 365
Variations: 2 GB of RAM ($249), 2 GB of RAM/64 GB storage ($279)

- Tablet: 8.29 x 5.20 x 0.37 inch, 0.85 lbs
- Charger: Unknown
- 8" IPS display (1280 x 800)
- Unknown Intel Atom quad-core processor
- 1 GB of RAM (not a mistype)
- Unknown battery
- Up to 8-10 hours of battery life
- 1.2-megapixel front camera and 5-megapixel back camera
- Bluetooth 4.0, 1 micro USB 2.0, microSD slot

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: Gimmick?
A: "In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something 'stand out' from its contemporaries." - Wikipedia

Q: Just how powerful is the Intel Atom Bay Trail?
A: Pretty powerful. In benchmarks, it's about double the speed of the old netbook standard of the AMD E-350 and there's YouTube videos of it playing old Source engine games.

Q: How much space does Windows and the recovery partition take up?
A: The Windows 8.1 update shrunk the footprint a little bit but it varies per device. For example, the Acer Aspire Switch 10 64 GB model has 44 GB space free out of the box. The 32 GB model only has 17 GB free (I don't know if that includes Office installed or not)

Q: It appears that Office is a trial version
A: The key's included on a sheet of paper in the box.

Q: Everything's so small on the desktop and my fat fingers can't handle it
A: Control Panel -> Appearance And Personalization -> Display -> Check ĎLet me choose one scaling level for all my displaysí -> Custom sizing options -> 125% or 150% (That should make everything on the desktop touch friendly)

Q: My ASUS Transformer T100 is charging really slow
A: You need to put it to sleep or turn it off to have it charge faster.

Q: GAMES GAMES GAMES GAMES GAMES
A: There's a ton of videos on YouTube testing just about any major game you can think of. Yes, it's possible to game on one of these but don't expect the world out of it.

Q: GAMES GAMES GAMES GAMES GAMES
A: I guess you could even carry around a USB controller and play all your ROMS in between classes if you really wanted to.

Q: COMICS COMICS COMICS COMICS
A: I don't read comics but this app is highly rated http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/ap...b6-47f7ffe601f5 and there's an official comiXology app http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/ap...a3-914cc7918b98

Q: penis penis penis penis penis
A: (nice mission hill reference)

Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at Jul 17, 2014 around 23:25

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Mister Fister
May 17, 2008
NON STOP VERBAL DIARRHEA, EMERGING FROM MY KEYBOARD, FOREVER


Any good 13 inch 2 in 1's coming out?

Dead Man Posting
Sep 1, 2008



I have the Surface 2 on preorder. I also make a lot of bad decision in life and learn to "deal with it"

waffle
May 12, 2001
HEH


Those 8" tablets look awesome--I'm a huge fan of the 8" form factor. 10" is just too big. I'm surprised there's such a big difference in weight between the tablets, though, given they all have basically the same spec.s

IuniusBrutus
Jul 24, 2010

I WANT A PONY TOO


But can any of them run CivII?

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

IT'S INCISIVE COMMENTARY!


Eagerly anticipating this next wave of 11- and 13-inch convertibles. My Acer W510 was vaguely netbooky at the best of times and is now showing its age -- it's one thing to realize I don't need a laptop that can run Skyrim and another to have to restart my tablet whenever I accidentally open a fifth browser tab even though I knew drat well one of the other ones was Facebook. Lenovo and (surprisingly) Dell have some compelling devices coming down the pipe, and I've heard some of the higher-end Acer machines are actually fairly decent but I'm mostly turned off from them now.

All else fails I'll just get a Surface Pro 2. I'd prefer a clamshell form factor, but those things still look drat nice.

loquacius fucked around with this message at Oct 18, 2013 around 14:25

Stick100
Mar 18, 2003


IuniusBrutus posted:

But can any of them run CivII?

Yes all of them.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005

OFFICIAL BITCH OF DANBO DAXTER

loquacius posted:

Eagerly anticipating this next wave of 11- and 13-inch convertibles. My Acer W510 was vaguely netbooky at the best of times and is now showing its age -- it's one thing to realize I don't need a laptop that can run Skyrim and another to have to restart my tablet whenever I accidentally open a fifth browser tab even though I knew drat well one of the other ones was Facebook. Lenovo and (surprisingly) Dell have some compelling devices coming down the pipe, and I've heard some of the higher-end Acer machines are actually fairly decent but I'm mostly turned off from them now.

All else fails I'll just get a Surface Pro 2. I'd prefer a clamshell form factor, but those things still look drat nice.

The Power Cover for the Surface Pro should be coming out soon and that will convert it into a clamshell form factor. If I was in the market for a lightweight laptop I would take a serious look at the Surface Pro with the Power Cover.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

IT'S INCISIVE COMMENTARY!


Internet Explorer posted:

The Power Cover for the Surface Pro should be coming out soon and that will convert it into a clamshell form factor.

Does it? I thought it just kinda hung from it like the Touch/Type covers did. The main problem with that for me is that they didn't even put in a magnet or anything to keep it closed, and also I'm still kind of skeptical about how lap-friendly they're gonna be even with the new kickstand angle.

fake-edit: While looking into that, I stumbled upon this video and I gotta say I'm actually really impressed with the potential of the docking station, in that it seems really easy to switch back and forth between the big-screen monitor mirroring the Surface's display and it being a second desktop. If you spring for one of the really high-end ones with 8 gigs of RAM the Surface could be a desktop replacer with that thing.

(real-edit: with a price to match of course; goddrat the 512-gig ones are expensive)

LifeSizePotato
Mar 3, 2005

These lumps.
I know you wanna slump up on
These lumps,
But you can't 'cause you're a chump!
A chuuuuuuuuump!
-LSP


loquacius posted:

If you spring for one of the really high-end ones with 8 gigs of RAM the Surface could be a desktop replacer with that thing.


That's sort of the point of the Pro in my opinion, that it's a one-device-does-all and it was baffling that they didn't come out with a dock with the first one. It should make a huge difference in appeal to businesses. And again, MS drops the ball by releasing it sometime in 2014 and not at launch. They're probably holding off to see what enterprise demand is for the Pro so they don't waste money on docks nobody wants, but still, it's a feature that they should brag about and be proud of. Most other Ultrabooks don't have elegant docking solutions which make them limited for "real" work at the office where a nice keyboard/mouse/large screen are needed.

I think with some tweaks (making the Pro thinner and lighter, especially), the dock really completes the package and makes the concept, if not necessarily the execution, of the Surface Pro pretty unassailable.

LifeSizePotato fucked around with this message at Oct 18, 2013 around 17:36

lostleaf
Jul 12, 2009


Call me Charlie, you might want to update the OP for the lenovo miix 2. The stylus is actually passive not active. reference link

quote:

Lenovo has informed ZDNet that the stylus/pen that comes with the optional $20 smart cover is capacitive (for working with touch screens) and does not use an active digitizer.

I'm very excited about the dell venue 8 pro mainly because it has an active digitizer. Waiting for some reviews before dropping the money.

Sri.Theo
Apr 16, 2008


lostleaf posted:

I'm very excited about the dell venue 8 pro mainly because it has an active digitizer. Waiting for some reviews before dropping the money.

Same here, although as the pen requires a battery it seems to be some unique technology. It will be interesting to see how well it works along with palm detection.

The low resolution is another blow, I'm actually considering the Dell Venue Pro 11 just for the higher PPI, although those 'slots' it has on the side for keyboard attachments are really ugly. A MS surface with active digitiser and Baytrail (for real windows) would actually be my ideal device.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

IT'S INCISIVE COMMENTARY!


Sri.Theo posted:

A MS surface with active digitiser and Baytrail (for real windows) would actually be my ideal device.

The Pro 2's Haswell isn't doing it for you?

IuniusBrutus
Jul 24, 2010

I WANT A PONY TOO


Stick100 posted:

Yes all of them.

But can any of them run CivII (well)?

lostleaf
Jul 12, 2009


drat it... I'm so weak willed. Couldn't even wait for the reviews.

I just ordered a venue 8 pro with 64gb plus stylus. Estimated ship date Nov 1. I'll report back once I received it.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

I want the 11 - 13" one with a Bay Trail and a kick rear end screen and speakers.

Nehefer
Aug 9, 2008


I also have a Surface Pro 2 on preorder, 8GB version. Man, this should be great.

I think.

Sri.Theo
Apr 16, 2008


loquacius posted:

The Pro 2's Haswell isn't doing it for you?

Not at that price, a Baytrail tablet could come out around £500 compared to almost a £1000. Also a SD card slot would be nice!

Sri.Theo fucked around with this message at Oct 19, 2013 around 17:19

keyframe
Sep 15, 2007

I have seen things

Holy poo poo I thought these were RT tablets. Do any of them have a wacom digitizer like the surface pen? If they have pressure sensitivity and can run sketchbook pro ok, I am buying one asap.

Sri.Theo
Apr 16, 2008


keyframe posted:

Holy poo poo I thought these were RT tablets. Do any of them have a wacom digitizer like the surface pen? If they have pressure sensitivity and can run sketchbook pro ok, I am buying one asap.

The Dell Venue Pro's apparently do, but they describe it as an 'active pen' by synaptics, so its unclear what that means. You're better of waiting for some reviews as most of these are getting released before 2014.

RT is effectively dead with the release of Intel's Baytrail chips.

Edit: Other things to be aware of are seamless disk encryption, connected standby and Instant On all of which have specific hardware requirements to be enabled. Connected standby allows Win 8 to receive updates while in sleep mode (like a phone) and Instant On allows alarms to wake up the device even if its asleep or turned off. Both of which sound very handy..

There's no word if these new tablets will support either function and most reviews suck so I doubt we'll find out until they're fully in the wild.

Sri.Theo fucked around with this message at Oct 19, 2013 around 15:10

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

They say I'm a madman...
But I'm not mad
at anybody

Honest, I'm not.


lostleaf posted:

Call me Charlie, you might want to update the OP for the lenovo miix 2. The stylus is actually passive not active. reference link

Thanks I added that.

I was putting together the 11 inch section but my browser crashed so it maybe a little bit before I can get it up.

Sri.Theo
Apr 16, 2008


Call Me Charlie posted:

Thanks I added that.

Technically you can use a passive stylus with anything, as its just a replacement for a finger. So there's no point in putting it in as bullet point.

Zarfol
Aug 13, 2009


I've preordered a surface pro 2, 128 GB version. Still wondering if the 2lb weight makes in feasible to use as a tablet for an extended period of time and or if it would cause wrist strain to hold it up.

I didn't think the power cover was going to make the surface into a clamshell, definitely going to wait and pick that up then instead of a type cover.

Nehefer
Aug 9, 2008


I don't think it does, it looks like any other cover.

mrpeaches
Jan 12, 2005


Zarfol posted:

I've preordered a surface pro 2, 128 GB version. Still wondering if the 2lb weight makes in feasible to use as a tablet for an extended period of time and or if it would cause wrist strain to hold it up.

I didn't think the power cover was going to make the surface into a clamshell, definitely going to wait and pick that up then instead of a type cover.

It doesn't look like it does. According to pictures here it looks like the standard type cover but just thicker.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005

OFFICIAL BITCH OF DANBO DAXTER

My bad. I thought it was more like the Asus Transformer dock keyboard. Didn't mean to get anyone's hopes up!

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

They say I'm a madman...
But I'm not mad
at anybody

Honest, I'm not.


AnandTech reviewed the ASUS Transformer Book T100 a few days ago.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7428/...ook-t100-review

Intel Atom Z3740 seems to be on par with the AMD A4-5000 processor and nearly double the AMD E-350, which was the old netbook standard. And 8.68 hour battery life is pretty impressive.

quote:

The Transformer Book T100 is really the Wintel campís answer to the Chromebook onslaught. Compared to the traditional entry-level PCs out there, the T100 really is a breath of fresh air. You get an IPS panel, great battery life and modern WiFi all in a package that can work as both a notebook and a tablet. The system is responsive and predictable in its performance thanks to the use of solid state storage. While there isnít a full blown SSD inside, the eMMC solution is clearly better for light consumer workloads than a mechanical disk. Solid performance from the rear facing speakers and excellent portability round out the T100ís package. If I had to compare it to what youíd normally expect to get from a $349/$399 Windows PC, Iíd say the Transformer Book T100 is a clear winner.

Where things get complicated is if/when you start comparing across platforms. ASUS and Google set the standard for affordable color calibrated displays with the 2013 Nexus 7, and unfortunately the T100 comes no where close to that. Even HPís Chromebook 11 delivers a more accurate out of box experience than the T100. Again, the T100ís display isnít bad, it just desperately needs a factory calibration.

Itís important to keep the T100ís performance in perspective. For light multitasking or single app-use workloads, the T100 does very well (much better than the Chromebook 11 we just reviewed). Light browsing and document work are at home on the T100. Donít expect it to be a Haswell replacement though. I would like to see the gap narrow between Intelís Atom and Core lines, but Iím afraid itís going to take real performance pressure from a competitor before we ever see that day.

The dock experience on the T100 is reasonable, but itís clear to me that the Transformer Book T100 is first and foremost a tablet, and only serves as a clamshell device as a secondary function. Thatís not to say it makes for a bad notebook experience, it can just be cramped as a result of the 10.1-inch display footprint. If youíre looking for a device that youíll use mostly as a tablet but want the flexibility of turning it into a notebook when you need to, the T100 can definitely fit the bill. If your desire is primarily for a touchscreen notebook, then the T100ís tradeoffs may be more frustrating.

At the end of the day the T100 is a good device, but like the Chromebook 11 we recently reviewed it couldíve been amazing with a few tweaks. With a less reflective display, color calibration at the factory and a better feeling keyboard/trackpad Iíd be absolutely in love with the T100. I also wonder if 10.1-inches is the right form factor for this sort of a device. Iím not sure that Microsoftís decision to go with 10.6-inches is the right one either, but the typing experience on a Surfaceís type/touch covers does feel remarkably less cramped.

The T100 truly lives up to the Transformer brand. The combination of Intel's Bay Trail silicon and ASUS' mechanicals gives the device a dual personality. In tablet mode it's just as portable as any other 10-inch tablet, while in clamshell mode it can be a netbook-style ultraportable PC. Iíd love to see ASUS continue down this path and truly try to perfect the device. I look at the work that ASUS and Google do together and canít help but wonder what the T100 would look like if it had the same sort of pressure/influence. Perhaps thatís a bigger criticism of how Microsoft works with its partners, but I look at the comparison of ASUS tablets with and without Googleís influence and try to imagine a further polished Transformer Book. Thatís something Iíd really like to see.

There are very few perfect computing devices out there, but ASUS is one of the companies with the ability to build one if it really tries.

Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at Oct 20, 2013 around 20:09

keyframe
Sep 15, 2007

I have seen things

Apparently dell has a 11" venue pro with i5 option for a rumored $499 with pen support. If that is true I will buy that poo poo so fast it will leave a burn mark on the credit card machine.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

They say I'm a madman...
But I'm not mad
at anybody

Honest, I'm not.


keyframe posted:

Apparently dell has a 11" venue pro with i5 option for a rumored $499 with pen support. If that is true I will buy that poo poo so fast it will leave a burn mark on the credit card machine.

$499 is the base model with Atom. There's going to be i3 and i5 options but no word on how much they'll cost.



Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at Oct 20, 2013 around 21:30

keyframe
Sep 15, 2007

I have seen things

Call Me Charlie posted:

$499 is the base model with Atom. There's going to be i3 and i5 options but no word on how much they'll cost.

Ah ok, I know that was too good to be true.

Ragingsheep
Nov 7, 2009


How do the new Atoms compare to (my old) AMD Phenom II X4 965 in performance?

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
CRYBABY FUCK


Sri.Theo posted:

Same here, although as the pen requires a battery it seems to be some unique technology. It will be interesting to see how well it works along with palm detection.

Active digitizers always require some kind of power source. Wacom's desktop models get around the issue by sending power to the pen through the sensing grid, but it's cheaper, easier, and more efficient to just design a pen with a battery.

Ragingsheep posted:

How do the new Atoms compare to (my old) AMD Phenom II X4 965 in performance?

They're quite a bit slower - roughly comparable to laptop CPUs from the late Core 2 era. That's still quite fast by tablet standards, but keep in mind that you're comparing a low-end mobile CPU with a power budget of about two watts to a slightly aged midrange desktop CPU that could chew through as much as 125W.

mAlfunkti0n
May 19, 2004


I don't know why I want one of these Venue 8's so badly, but I do. I've been planning on the new iPad for awhile now .. but I also find having a full x86 installation of windows in tablet form would be .. interesting at least.

Sri.Theo
Apr 16, 2008


This image makes the bottom slots look not so ugly, I hope that there are places to see these in person soon in the UK, as its pretty hard to find decent shots of that edge.

Space Gopher posted:

Active digitizers always require some kind of power source. Wacom's desktop models get around the issue by sending power to the pen through the sensing grid, but it's cheaper, easier, and more efficient to just design a pen with a battery.
I did not know that, so thanks. Are you aware of any other tablets that use synaptic's technology in this way? I'd love to check out some reviews.

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Ragingsheep
Nov 7, 2009


Space Gopher posted:

They're quite a bit slower - roughly comparable to laptop CPUs from the late Core 2 era. That's still quite fast by tablet standards, but keep in mind that you're comparing a low-end mobile CPU with a power budget of about two watts to a slightly aged midrange desktop CPU that could chew through as much as 125W.
Thanks. Might wait and see how the i3 models go.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

IT'S INCISIVE COMMENTARY!


How long do you guys think it'll be before the new wave of Lenovo devices are released and reviewed? My W510 finally shat itself and died (I blame Acer's firmware updates, because it was working fine with 8.1 before those things came down the pipe) and I dunno if I'm ready to commit to a Surface Pro 2 without seeing some of the competition.

Malmanous
Mar 28, 2008


My Surface pro 2 came in this morning. I've been using a Sony Vaio duo for the last year, and this seems to be much better. The battery life improvements of Haswell are of course awesome, but just the general feel of the device make it seem more like a tablet that can be used as full PC rather than an ultra book which can be used as a tablet.

mAlfunkti0n
May 19, 2004


Bought a Dell Venue 8 Pro to test .. never know it could be amazing and fill my need for something I didn't know I needed.

keyframe
Sep 15, 2007

I have seen things

mAlfunkti0n posted:

Bought a Dell Venue 8 Pro to test .. never know it could be amazing and fill my need for something I didn't know I needed.

Did you receive it already? I can't tell from the way you worded your post.

If you got the pen please test out sketchbook pro (there is a 30 day trial) and let us know if the brush lags when sketching and how it feels in general.

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935
Jul 28, 2006

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ELLAMENNO-P


Is there anything stopping me from installing Visual Studio or Eclipse? Would these IDEs work just the same as on any other desktop computer?

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