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I love these every year, thanks Bewbies. I heard some color guy going off on James Franklin last week (yes the week that he didn't play) about how he was going to be playing on Sundays. Do you see any chance of this/understand where he was coming from? Because I do not, even though I really like the guy.
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Grozz Nuy posted:Obviously that stuff can still change after the declaration is made, but it still absolutely matters. I wonder how the whole Barkley debacle will affect a lot of these draft-eligible but still younger QB prospects. Weren't people souring on Barkley before he actually declared, or is that my imagination?
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Oct 24, 2013 20:42
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Grozz Nuy posted:Yes, but the point was that he didn't declare in 2012 because he thought he would make more money if he got out from underneath the shadows of Luck and RG3, and it turned out he had a terrible senior season and lost millions of dollars. People soured on him over the course of the 2013 season, but if he had declared the prior year it wouldn't have played out that way. It's one of the biggest 'perception' hits from year to year I can remember, at least for a quarterback. Oh, gotcha. For some reason I was thinking he still came out early even though he went back the year before, I thought he redshirted a season for some reason.
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Oct 24, 2013 20:55
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Blitz7x posted:I was pretty sure the Raiders were gonna grab a DT last year, but they grabbed a CB so what do I know? I have no idea who they grab here I'd imagine you guys are pretty close to best player available working out no matter who it is right? I guess maybe not QB if Pryor keeps looking like he might work out. I've made fun of your roster a lot but I honestly don't know, what positions are you guys set at if any?
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Oct 25, 2013 06:28
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Declan MacManus posted:Zach Mettenberger is all arm, no brain. If you want that I'm sure you could offer up a conditional seventh for Tyler Bray. For whatever it's worth every report I've heard is that Andy really likes him. So probably a conditional 6th at least.
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Oct 26, 2013 21:28
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Eifert Posting posted:I remember Gabbert being a pretty clear case of talking up some dude for no clear reason. Half of the posts in the 2011 draft thread were people asking why he was rated so high. I don't really remember it that way beyond a bunch of "who is this guy?" posts who hadn't really seen him play. Obviously he turned out to be terrible but he clicked with just about every offseason drill you can do. The biggest knock on him was that he didn't deal with being rushed well at all (this is an understatement), and I still think is the main reason he's been awful in the NFL. I mean, at this point it's only part of the problem, but it hurt in every other phase of the game to the point where he's broken now. But anyway, speaking just as a prospect he had a good arm, pretty damned good physical characteristics, and for whatever reason I remember his ability to read defenses/routes being sort of praised--at least as much anyone will do that with a spread QB coming out of college. Mayock had him as his #1 QB for a while, so there was something that people liked about him 
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Oct 31, 2013 04:48
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il serpente cosmico posted:Was Gabbert really all that productive in college, though? In his final year he put up 245 yards per game, 6.7 yards per attempt, 63% completion percentage, and 16 / 9 TD:INT ratio. Seems really pedestrian for someone that's supposed to be an elite prospect. He was hurt with a high ankle sprain for a big chunk of that year, although I don't remember if he actually missed any games with it. It was definitely noticeable and he wasn't the same while that was going on. He threw for more yards and TDs his sophomore year, although he was more accurate as a junior with worse receivers. So I guess I'd call him productive in general but not eye-poppingly so as far as college stats go. e: Huh I'm remembering completely wrong, the ankle was in his sophomore year. So never mind, I guess the only difference I remember was receivers.
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Nov 1, 2013 05:14
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^^--Yeah as it turns out that's who he really is. Jacksonville has helped make that true by employing people with names like Guy Whimper to block for him, but yeah.il serpente cosmico posted:I checked out his this highlight reel of him in college: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPfJgy8n_LA A lot of that is just the offense Mizzou runs (and a large part of my ongoing hatred of the WR screen comes from watching them throw those all day and have them get blown up), although you can see him dropping a few nice passes over LBs and into somewhat covered receivers there and when he decided to get rid of the ball he managed to do it quickly. I think a lot of his rise came from the combine and scouts watching him do drills outside of games but there were things there to like even in games. e: That first Nebraska game it was just pouring all night (and that's when Suh blew up Gabbert's ankle), so that's somewhat mitigated. The second one Nebraska just beat the poo poo out of them. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Nov 1, 2013 |
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Nov 1, 2013 07:33
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Emanuel Collective posted:eh, its more the fact that Mariota is likely to blow away Bridgewater at the combine. Gonna have to be this now I guess. But yeah I'd think a large part beyond that will be how whoever gets the #1 pick values mobility.
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Nov 8, 2013 05:53
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Coldforge posted:Two things I hope: If you're watching today he's just been insane. He can't declare until after next year though, he's a true sophomore.
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Nov 9, 2013 20:47
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acmpsu21 posted:I think he goes to a Midwestern team picking in the 3-7 range. St. Louis? I...guess that could be a possibility.
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Nov 10, 2013 06:07
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Isn't calling someone a good backup quarterback prospect calling them a bad prospect? I've usually read that as fair to ok prospect, but doesn't have the physical tools you'd like to build an offense around.
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Nov 13, 2013 05:26
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Azhais posted:I honestly wouldn't touch Manziel before about round 3. He's small for an NFL QB and has a lot of bad habits that will need to get beaten out of him to succeed in the NFL. That makes him a serious project that you don't spend a high draft pick on. Yeah I lean toward the side of thinking it's ridiculous to bring up Ryan Leaf compared to Manziel with the issues but as a prospect I just don't like him all that much. He's fun as hell to watch in college though.
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Nov 18, 2013 17:44
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Arschlochkind posted:Johnny Football - 6'1", 210 lbs. I'll believe this when he's measured at the combine, although yeah he's not like Trindon Holliday tiny or anything ridiculous like that. Groucho Marxist posted:Incognito was booted from the program that let Lawrence Phillips play. Haha, yeah saying there weren't issues with Incognito only works if you're comparing him to Christian Peter. e: Not that he's important to this conversation either way. Oops had the wrong Peter. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Nov 18, 2013 |
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Nov 18, 2013 23:22
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No Butt Stuff posted:True. I'm less happy about the idea of Andy Reid doing quarterback whispering than I am about getting some raw talent, even if it is a little shithead, since the Chiefs are terrible at drafting QB talent. Can you really be terrible if you haven't tried since missing out on Marino? On the other hand there haven't been a whole lot of guys available where they were picking who would have been worth it, so maybe they've actually been good in a way at identifying a lack of talent. Of course, later on they sign those guys or trade for them so...
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Nov 19, 2013 16:49
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Somebody needs to talk me down on Mike Evans because I've been watching too much tape and the guy is beginning to look like Calvin Johnson to me. I suspect he's a little slow by NFL standards, dude definitely knows how to go up and get the ball in coverage though based on that Alabama game.
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Nov 20, 2013 02:50
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Jerry Angelo was so bad at the draft that other fan bases hated him. Yeah, I bet you guys were all bent out of shape that KC was on top of things and jumped in to grab... Jon Baldwin? Jesus gently caress Pioli.
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Nov 23, 2013 16:55
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himurak posted:Do you think it's a definite for the Jaguars to draft Bridgewater assuming they wind up with the 1st overall? If not where are you leaning? I think it's close to definite that they go QB in some fashion, although which one is still up in the air a little bit. Bridgewater is the favorite right now but things always get muddled after the season is over and he's not a surefire thing like Luck.
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Nov 24, 2013 17:10
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Nix from Notre Dame is pretty well thought of I think, although the only thing I know about him is watching him get shoved around a lot of the game against Alabama last year (not that Bama's line didn't have ridiculous talent on it). Oh now that I look him up he just had knee surgery, apparently he's had tendinitis in it all season. No idea if that'll be an ongoing thing but it's something to worry about with a 6'2" 357 lb  man.
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Nov 27, 2013 05:26
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MJBuddy posted:He's like Roethelisburger. Do you mean in the shrugging huge dudes off like they're nothing way or the other way? Or both? Other than getting that cheap joke in I'm actually curious, does he really throw people who should have sure sacks off of himself on the regular? I don't really remember it but I haven't watched a ton of LSU games.
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Nov 29, 2013 08:16
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No Butt Stuff posted:E: What happens to James Franklin? Is he going to actually get drafted? He looks pretty good. Didn't see anyone answer this, I did hear one SEC homer announcer say that 'he will be playing on Sundays' a few weeks ago but I just don't see it. He'd be a project but I guess someone might be interested in trying to stash him on their practice squad. I don't even know if he's a candidate for a position change, tight end would seem to be a possibility but he's both short for the traditional version of that position and probably a little slow for the H Back/combo version. I figure he'll be a UDFA camp invite somewhere and if he's lucky stick around for a few years but never really play. Also I don't see the Chiefs getting rid of Donnie Avery, we all know he sucks but he was like the only playmaker on offense other than Charles for the first half of the season when he managed to hold onto a ball here and there.
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Dec 2, 2013 23:39
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Intruder posted:Feel free to be "that guy" because I'm looking at his stat sheet, I don't watch CFB My impression from an outside perspective of someone who doesn't care about SC is that Clowney is ridiculous and everyone who has played against the Gamecocks this year has significantly screwed up or with their game plan to deal with him. I guess you can take this either way, either college teams were able to deal with him and he wasn't a big deal or the rest of the defense wasn't good enough to overcome a significant deal of resources devoted to one player. It's also worth noting South Carolina isn't exactly terrible defensively. e: Lots of Texans fans posts while I was thinking that through, yeah the Tennessee tape is probably a good starting point
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Dec 3, 2013 10:30
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Quest For Glory II posted:"Pick which generational talent gets you to the playoffs" is the dumbest poo poo I've ever read. I'm sorry. What if we compared them to umbrellas and/or briefcases, would that help?
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Dec 3, 2013 20:43
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:If I was a fan of a team with the hots for A.J. McCarron I'd be much more worried about the spectacular bust rate of Alabama QBs in the NFL. Since 1980 none of them have been taken high enough to really be considered busts, more like wash outs I'd think. The closest would be a third round Brodie Croyle and after that you get into Jay Barker in the 5th who never played that I know, McElroy in the 7th and Dave Shula in the 12th. Unless you're still angry about Richard Todd somehow it looks like Bama QBs are largely ignored by the NFL like they should be. As a side note I believe Brodie is the highest the Chiefs have taken a shot at the QB position in the draft since the immortal Mike Elkins toward the top of the 2nd in 1989.
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Dec 4, 2013 05:19
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If Smith keeps playing well enough to make me hate the receivers more than him I won't complain (although I don't expect that to happen), but I wasn't really whining. I mean I have and will complain in the future about never taking a shot on someone but in this instance I was just reminded of the Blackledge curse and it's a weird thing.
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Dec 4, 2013 05:26
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MJBuddy posted:This isn't so mind blowing. The last time the saints won with a drafted qb was Danny Wuerffel. And that was only because the starter was injured and he won two games before leaving to tear it up in Europe. 11 years later? Goddamnit now I'm going to have to look aren't I? pre:Team Player Year Won Year Drafted New England Tom Brady 2013 2000 Miami Ryan Tannehill 2013 2012 New York J Geno Smith 2013 2013 Buffalo EJ Manuel 2013 2013 Cincinnati Andy Dalton 2013 2011 Baltimore Joe Flacco 2013 2008 Pittsburgh Ben Roethlisberger 2013 2004 Cleveland Brandon Weeden 2012 2012 Indianapolis Andrew Luck 2013 2012 Tennessee Jake Locker 2013 2011 Jacksonville Blaine Gabbert 2012 2011 Houston T.J. Yates 2011 2011 Denver Tim Tebow 2011 2010 Kansas City Todd Blackledge 1989 1983 San Diego* Drew Brees 2005 2001 Oakland* Terrelle Pryor 2013 2011 (supplemental) Philadelphia Nick Foles 2013 2012 Dallas Stephen McGee 2010 2009 New York G* Danny Kanell 1998 1996 Washington Robert Griffin III 2013 2012 Detroit Matthew Stafford 2013 2009 Chicago Kyle Orton 2008 2005 Green Bay Aaron Rodgers 2013 2005 Minnesota Christian Ponder 2013 2011 Carolina Cam Newton 2013 2011 New Orleans Danny Wuerffel 1998 1997 Tampa Bay Mike Glennon 2013 2013 Atlanta Matt Ryan 2013 2008 Seattle Russell Wilson 2013 2012 San Francisco Colin Kaepernick 2013 2011 Arizona Ryan Lindley 2012 2012 St Louis Sam Bradford 2013 2010 Oakland*-If supplemental doesn't count in anyone's mind it would be Jamarcus in 2009, drafted 2007 NYG*-Obviously the reverse of SD's * If anyone's curious the last QB drafted by KC to win any game was Steve Stenstrom, who won one (and only one) game for Chicago in 1998. Congrats, you have the one other real instance of this in the league which was more than a full goddamned decade later than KC, with the draft where he was picked a full 14 years later. Way to loving go, yeah this isn't rare at all. Now I'm whining about KC never taking a chance on anyone. e: Christ all that work and I can't figure out how many years a decade is? I have no idea what I was thinking. Still the point is there. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Dec 4, 2013 |
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Dec 4, 2013 07:01
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Ok if we skip Lindley John Skelton won lots of games! Matt Lienart won many games! John Navarre...ok that never happened. But Josh McCown won games! I don't pretend that the stat is really that important, or honestly important at all. But for MJBuddy to come in who's team is quarterbacked by Drew Brees and say 'it isn't that weird  ' got to me.All I want to do is to either fall in love with a terrible quarterback the Chiefs picked in the first. Or probably really hate the team for wasting a top draft pick on a QB (I originally wrote someone but lord there's enough ammo there in other positions) for once since I was like 5 years old, is that so much to ask? I'd settle for the Chiefs picking up a broken quarterback no one wanted who turned into Drew loving Brees for the record. I'm sure Alex Smith will be there any day.
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Dec 4, 2013 08:23
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Emanuel Collective posted:Logan Thomas is going to need a great QB coach to be anything besides Blaine Gabbert with speed so I guess we'll see how far Trestman's QB coaching skills can go. To use Fiz's nickname the Blinger has pretty good speed (just short of Cam if I remember right), is Logan Thomas abnormally fast as well as huge and terrible at football?
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Dec 5, 2013 03:02
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Kirios posted:I'm sure Chiefs fans would be THRILLED if there was a Bridgewater in last year's draft. Chiefs fans would have been excited to get Schaub too (at the time, probably not Schaub now), your team is a mess but goddamn Brady Quinn and Matt Cassel. Parmesan Basil isn't as alone as he should be amongst some fans in still wanting Geno Smith even after seeing what he's done.
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Dec 6, 2013 20:35
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Daric posted:I've watched Bridgewater all season since I go to UH and we play them. He's decent, but he's not 1st overall pick good. He barely beat a UH defense composed of freshmen and sophomores. That's not Andrew Luck levels of good. The vast majority of first overall picks weren't Andrew Luck levels of good though. As long as he's good enough to be thought of as the best QB in this year's draft he's got a pretty solid shot of going first I'd think since there are a ton of QB needy teams up top. Unless everyone's wrong and this class isn't thought of as any better than last year's and no one goes in the first I guess. vv--Yeah Clowney is why I said good shot instead of almost a sure thing to go first, anyone can fall in love with that guy. Aside from maybe Jacksonville. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Dec 6, 2013 |
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Dec 6, 2013 23:25
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Brannock posted:Why do they all have asterisks? I was going to guess active players but Kingsbury is pretty famously, or at least prettily, not playing anymore. e: Well I apparently skipped Timmy Chang and should have gotten nowhere near that far down the list
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Dec 7, 2013 04:17
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The SEC didn't appear to be particularly defense-heavy this year to me. There were a few decent ones but man there were a lot of just terrible D's there.
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Dec 13, 2013 21:09
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DOOP posted:Bill'O is different. See: Matt McGloin I...uh...I saw him last week.
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Dec 17, 2013 18:07
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Doltos posted:Honorable mention to Colt Brennan, shame his last name sucked so much Whatever's below honorable mention for Colt Griffin in a different sport, he was promptly given number 45. And then was terrible like so many pitchers are.
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Dec 19, 2013 20:59
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Groucho Marxist posted:not giving a gently caress and launching a pass into heavy coverage and getting that TD Hmmm, so Maty Mauk #1 overall in the draft after this? I can live with that.
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Dec 21, 2013 18:14
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Anyone have thoughts on Ty Zimmerman? I think Bewbies had him graded around the third round when he wrote this up and I don't really follow enough to know if he's been able to help himself any since then or not. He sure does get mentioned a lot when K State plays though.
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Dec 29, 2013 04:57
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Wanvig posted:I wonder when people are going to believe our meltdowns and not just write them off. Actually melting down this year helped.
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Dec 30, 2013 02:06
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tanglewood1420 posted:Rams take him at 2 unless they trade down. That's funny, I'd think the Rams are the team that needs him the least. But honestly for Clowney you should probably make room, so I could see it.
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Dec 30, 2013 03:18
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thatguyclint posted:The two quickest answers would be, "Because they don't like whoever they slot as the #2 QB in the draft (Carr, Bortles, Manziel, whoever)" or "They see Clowney as the best player in the draft." That was the reasoning for taking Joeckel over any other top prospect when they picked him #2 last year; Joeckel was #1 on their board, and an opportunity to take who they thought was the best player coming out wasn't going to pass them by. In addition to this they just need good players period don't they? They're presumably set at LT and...I honestly don't know who else is good or expected to be good on that team. Shorts and Blackmon (if he fixes his life) at wideout I guess? e: Posluszny too maybe. I haven't bothered to follow enough to see if he's still good Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Dec 30, 2013 |
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Emanuel Collective posted:Are you Todd McShay I remember Roasted having some type of gift for figuring this poo poo out, but that might be based on calling one guy good and a bunch of guys bad or something.
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