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Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Right, Fox, the network that people used to joke about slowly turning into a hardcore porn network and went all the way to the Supreme Court over an indecency fine a few years ago, follows the exact same standards that the editorial standards of their national news uses.

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Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Spaceship of the Imagination then and Spaceship of the Imagination now are both lame. My imagination is too vivid for their minimalist designs :doom:

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


NatGeo has been running Cosmos all day and roughly every 10-15 minutes there's something that makes me go "or so we thought" or "at the time" or even "not even close." I'm rather surprised how out of date this is, but at the same time...any time something is on TV that's space-related and the channel guide has a date earlier than 2009, I know its probably not worth my time.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Maduo posted:

I don't know if the Natgeo ones do this, but I remember the Cosmos episodes on Hulu all had updates at the end from a very old looking Carl Sagan explaining what science had figured out between then and whenever he taped the updates. Seeing a lot of the progress science has made between then and now is mostly why I'm excited for this.

They seemed to be the original 80 ones not the later updated version.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


TyrantWD posted:

All the people who would refuse to watch something because Obama was introducing the series premiere, probably weren't going to watch a science show hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson in the first place.

I'm not entirely comfortable with it, because I don't like the President showing up to basically shilling for a TV show.

Unless it was like...PBS presents The Presidents. Then maybe.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Happy Hippo posted:

Yeah, I hate it when presidents give a poo poo about education. It's like, stick to the important stuff, you know?

Or he's the President and shouldn't be making money for a privately owned TV show.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Voyager was pointing the wrong way relative to its motion, series is a disaster.

As someone that literally works on NASA budgetary stuff and knows how the hot dogs are made, NASA doesn't need more money, really. It needs to have a better idea how to use what it's got.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Mister Kingdom posted:

I do like the upgraded Boba Fett spaceship.

Its a shinier version of Padme's ship from the Phantom Menace. Or maybe Darth Maul's.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


You are a nerd posted:

It might not need more money to fund its current missions, but I think what they're implying is that with a bigger budget they could take on even more projects.

That's the problem though. If you want NASA to blow the doors off engineer and science again, NASA has to have one super-goal to accomplish. In the 60s, almost the entire agency was devoted to getting to the Moon. If I remember right, exactly two flights (two Mariners) were not lunar missions.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

NASA deserves all the money they could possibly ever dream of and more. If the Apollo program wasn't suddenly shut down after the early 70s and we continued on with the NASA roadmap we'd have been on Mars by the mid 80s.

Not even close. We'd have killed a few crews and that would have been that. We couldn't have kept a crew alive for more than a few weeks at that point.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Voyager was pointing the right way that time. Everything's back on track!

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

We'll we'd sure as poo poo have moon bases!

Yes, we'd absolutely have a couple of those.

The follow-on for the Saturn VII was a manned Venus flyby using what eventually became Skylab as a habitat module for the trip. We'd have learned a lot of what the ISS has been been for and we'd have realized Mars was out of the picture for a very long time. Low Earth orbit and the Moon would have been the new target, but the big problem in alternate 1980 would have been the same one we have now: what do you do once you're up there? Still haven't figured that one out really.

You are a nerd posted:

Who says they have to blow any doors off? There are an untold multitude of smaller projects like bigger and better space telescopes, potential Earth impactor monitoring, and space-based satellite monitoring of any number of things that they'll never get around to with present budgeting.

If you want people to have huge sums of money spent on it, you have to do things like "achieve that which man has dreamed of since first he looked at the Moon."

NASA could do all the regular day to day stuff that would be useful like Earth science and planetary defense if money didn't fall down the ISS, SOFIA, and SLS holes.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I hope at least a few of my multi-verse selves are turning out more successful than I am.

What if yours is the most successful?

Isn't that literally the worst thing to think of, ever?

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Caddie posted:

The evil Neil of Earth-3 does his best to discourage scientific exploration.

Earth-38 where Pope Sagan crushed the Muslim infidels with the power of the atom was a confusing one.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


The Dark One posted:

Would an 80s-era managed flyby of Venus been capable of shielding its crew from radiation once it left the protection of earth's magnetic field?

They never really got that far into the whole thing before Saturn V production was terminated, but its pretty clear that they did not take radiation risks into consideration. They also didn't have the data they'd need to know what the radiation levels were.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Waffles Inc. posted:

yo it's fundamentally academic to an entry-level science show dude

literally no one but goons and whomever is gonna write the angry slate article tomorrow gives a gently caress because for all intents and purposes it's fine

But it's literally wrong. Bruno was executed because he denied that Jesus was God, which is a pretty big thing to say when you're a Dominican Friar. They practically just said 2+2=5 but whatever close enough

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Real hurthling! posted:

Religion killed NDT's dog one time and now it's his mission to portray italian people as swarthy hitlers

Could have just said "portray Italian people as Mussolinis."

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Hey, I watched Star Trek and I know for a fact that Q and Picard were there and that life started in France, so check your facts

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Waffles Inc. posted:

yeah i agree that they should have derailed their topic of bringing light to bruno to discuss the intricacies of medieval church/science politics

here you go:

"bruno was executed for a laundry list of heresies including heliocentrism right?"
"basically"

But it's wrong. It didn't happen that way. Heliocentrism wasn't one of the charges brought against him.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Did Sagan own any non-turtleneck shirts

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Maxwell Lord posted:

The Cosmos is literally everything in existence so the next episode will be about a turkey farm.

Sort of like Look Around You?

Cosmos: Episode 32: Nails

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

The cosmos is everything, including this IKEA coffee table.

This IKEA coffee table, which is made of star stuff.

Sometimes I like to imagine that the atoms in the hamburger I ate were once atoms in some sort of terrifying space-cow that became a disgusting space-hamburger.

And the cycle continues on forever.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


TotalHell posted:

I suspect most if not all of the "history lessons" are done now that we're out of the introductory episode.

(Okay, there may be some cursory "this person discovered that," but I doubt there'll be any more longwinded stuff).

There was mountains of it in the original. Like when those monks get to see the first observed impact on the Moon.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

There's atoms in that burger that were once a part of you.

Considering I've eaten cows that I watched come in to the world, there's a very high chance that that happened to me!

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Regy Rusty posted:

I hope they do a segment on the scale of the universe. The American Museum of Natural History in NYC (where Tyson works) has an incredible exhibit that hammers in just how huge and small things are in comparison to each other. It really blew my mind as a young teenager and I'd love to see him adapt it for television.

On the flip, look at this and then be disappointed how little we actually did walk around on the Moon.

Its a pretty painful-to-look-at presentation, but you'll know the meat and potatoes when you see it. Apollo 12 basically did a lap around the Washington Monument and my kickball team covers more territory in the outfield than Apollo 11 did.

I'm really hoping that Tyson stands next to Viking at some point, because c'mon that is like the image from the original Cosmos. And then stands next to Curiosity.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


If I had to guess, I'd say "The Clean Room" could be "Travellers' Tales" and "Hidden in the Light" could be "Journeys in Space and Time," if they're going to cover most of the same topics as the original.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Look, all this quibbling about papers and what "scientist" means aside, there's one thing I think we can all agree that it could have been worse and had Kaku narrating.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Unmature posted:

I wanna see more of that spaceship. Where does NDT sleep and poop?

The miracle of the ship is that if you need to sleep you immediately appear back in your own bed and poop in your own toilet.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


justsomedude posted:

Actually, you're wrong. Michio Kaku has a significantly higher H-index than Neil deGrasse Tyson, so therefore he would be a better host of Cosmos.

He'd get all down some weird futurist thing that distracts everyone from his real science while he dresses like a rock star from the future.

poo poo maybe he is from the future and that's why he knows what he knows.

Hazo posted:

Where did this "Obama was responsible for cutting science budgets" meme come from?

It's partially true. Everyone is complicit in it. President, Congress, the individual agencies, administrative sections of agencies. There's only so much pie and every slice gets angry when it's not the biggest slice, even if their silence is of questionable value in the first place and takes away from other slices that probably could be bigger.

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Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


The phrase "a time before dogs" sounds strangely funny.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


So we're skipping ahead to the introduction of the labroodle?

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


pik_d posted:

I think it was a Basenji

If I remember my dogs right, that would be the oldest breed.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


achillesforever6 posted:

There was a cool experiment done in the USSR with Artic Foxes and domestication done I think the 1950s

They have floppy ears and vocalize like dogs. Its wild stuff.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


achillesforever6 posted:

Hollywood my suspension of disbelief is seriously being strained into thinking that the Browns can build a championship calibar team and that Brown's draft day is not a depressing alcohol abusing day of pain.

Also I hope Neil talks about trilobites this episode; mainly because I've been working on them for my undergrad project.

It took caveman less time to turn wolf into dog than it will to turn Browns into a good football team.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


This is like watching some nightmarish future with nanomachines mutating things into who knows what

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


I laughed at that salmon crashing into the side of that bear's face.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


OrangeKing posted:

Is the Time Before Eyes before or after the Time Before Dogs? Put up another calendar, Neil!

The dog and the eye both came out of some sort of tree, I think. I'm a little confused right now.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Are we going to that facility from Prometheus next because I think we might be

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Wait, did he say coal caught on fire because I thought this was the epoch that formed coal in the first place so what coal are we talking about

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Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Acquilae posted:

clean coal :smuggo:

Clearly not!

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