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Cojawfee posted:See, I told you to just poo poo all of your money into just 1 hobby instead of many. But you knew all along I am an addict. If it isn't booze, it's toys to distract me from booze. Cannot Find Server posted:...no Spada, no Transit... As for the track list, it really stings. I remember from playing Team Fortress that new maps (even though they were free!) split our little gaming communities all the time, until the time came that you could download them from the server and not have to go looking for some .zip file to extract somewhere while everybody else was playing. DLC tracks are a terrible idea unless they are free. People can still race together even if some have car packs others don't, but of course tracks can't work that way. We'll have a full lobby (being optimistic, I know) and then someone will switch to a DLC track and 2/3rds of the people will vanish, looking for another lobby to race in. Yes, this is going to hurt, and I won't sugarcoat it. I *love* Suzuka and Maple Valley and Camino with all my heart. Bernese is a decent Camino replacement, but the loss of Maple Valley and Suzuka is hitting me hard. I'm relieved the 'Ring is coming back, because unless you're one of the 'Ring haters you'll probably come up with the $ to grab it. I'm chalking this all up to having to make the console launch. I'd prefer to wait for a more complete game, but I understand the necessity to have FM available at launch. We can at least hope Microsoft will learn from this and either a) let Turn10 hook us up with some free DLC (I know, I know) or b) FM6 will be huge. As far as Horizon is concerned, I played until I won the event and that was it. I never bought a single car pack for it, and unless the next iteration has lots more online stuff to do, I never will. So... it's a bitter pill to swallow regardless. It's also the price those of us who choose to adopt early end up paying. We're kinda used to it. Even with the free rape included in FM5, the gameplay footage I am seeing has me sold anyway. It's poo poo-hot and sounds amazing. P.S. - I'm sorry Cubivore got probabted for engaging in a civil little debate with me about my opinion regarding console merit vs. specs, and I am not trying to revive or continue that discussion here. We did chat about it over PM and I half-jokingly told him that in my opinion the console that "wins" will be the one that doesn't die in eleven months like my first 360 did. 
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So I was thinking, and this may sound stupid, but what are the chances that Microsoft is forcing Forza 5 to be limited so as to not take up a majority share of the hard drive right at launch?
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Nov 7, 2013 00:42
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Dr. Faustus posted:That would be me. I had forgotten already! Thanks for the reminder, because now my expenses for early 2014 have just dropped considerably. I'll buy another guitar, instead! Huzzah! Forza Motorsport 5: gently caress It. Let's Just Buy Rocksmith
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redhalo posted:So I was thinking, and this may sound stupid, but what are the chances that Microsoft is forcing Forza 5 to be limited so as to not take up a majority share of the hard drive right at launch? You're right, that does sound stupid 
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Nov 7, 2013 00:43
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redhalo posted:So I was thinking, and this may sound stupid, but what are the chances that Microsoft is forcing Forza 5 to be limited so as to not take up a majority share of the hard drive right at launch? It's much more likely that they were forced to be a launch title (One of the boxes you need to check on a console launch is "Car porn game").
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redhalo posted:So I was thinking, and this may sound stupid, but what are the chances that Microsoft is forcing Forza 5 to be limited so as to not take up a majority share of the hard drive right at launch? I think it's more that they didn't have that much time to get this ready for the console launch, and since they don't have the clout with their parent company like PD does with Sony missing the launch date just isn't an option.
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hitze posted:You're right, that does sound stupid PhancyPants posted:It's much more likely that they were forced to be a launch title (One of the boxes you need to check on a console launch is "Car porn game").
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Nov 7, 2013 00:54
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I think I'm going to keep my pre-order since I bought the limited edition but I'm sorta glad I waited too long to pre-order the xbone now, I would be pissed if I dropped all that money for so little content.
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Nov 7, 2013 01:03
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This seriously sucks. I've been eagerly awaiting Forza 5, and in fact, I'd say it's the only MUST HAVE next-gen console game on my radar. And now T10's big announcement turns out to be that they've taken an axe to the content. My biggest disappointment, so far as the cars go, is the serious lack of attention to more mundane cars. It seems like the E and D classes have been severely stripped of content, and those were sometimes my favorites to drive. Forza 4 was a breath of fresh air in that regard. And then the tracks...gently caress. It's like Turn 10 took a poll on people's favorite tracks, then decided to include the least popular. Alps, but no Maple Valley? Catalunya, but no Suzuka? Top Gear Test Track, but no Mugello? drat. I'm not canceling my pre-order yet but I'm giving it pretty serious thought.
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Nov 7, 2013 01:44
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I think the thing about the car list that makes me the most mad is that they trimmed it considerably but then they have like...5 BMW M3's, a bunch of Corvettes, 3 Trans Am's between the late 1960's-1970's. I know the cars are popular but man, go for some variety instead of that poo poo. I know GT gets a bad rap for having like 50 Skylines, but the fuckin game has 1000+ cars!
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Nov 7, 2013 01:57
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Here's the bulk of the article posted previously, for the lazy:quote:"We're grading the tracks on what state they're in, and if they didn't make the grade they were gone. For me it was less about do I want to deliver this or want to deliver that, I wanted to deliver the next-generation quality - and that meant having the shaders, and the imperfections in the concrete. And the easiest way to get those is to laser scan the track, as that captures those imperfections. We had old references on tracks where if the tracks we had were close we were able to go back to the old reference and recreate that imperfection. By definition that means these tracks take more time than ever." Sorry about the wall-o-text, but I read the first bolded part and to me at least it rings true (no pun intended). After experiencing GT5, the last thing I want is 200 "premium" cars and 800 "ugly rear end last gen" cars. I would have bought GT5 with just 200 premium cars (I can say this truthfully because I did buy GT5, and the whole time I had GT5 and played it, which is to say: up until FM4 came out and not a day longer) I *never* took a non-premium car out to drive. After the pretty cockpits, windshield wipers, high-beam headlights, and general gorgeousness of the new cars, I never wanted to drive a car with a hexagonal tailpipe and low poly-counts. The generic cockpits that got added later did nothing for me. But that's just me. I am aware that some of the most fun cars in the game were old ones, but not for me. All of us gamers have different tastes and aspects that we care more about, and so it's only natural we'll disagree about stuff. I'm not going to defend FM5 any further except to say that I'd rather have the higher standards and less content, than have more content that looks like poo poo compared to the new stuff. It was true for me in Gran Turismo, and it's true for me in Forza. It is a little weird seeing some people seemingly forget the bitter disappointment that was GT5 and now knocking FM5 for not following that model of releasing unfinished product with a day-one 894 MB patch and a 2.0 patch waiting way off in the future of the game. I wonder how we'll all feel come time for FM6? [edit] GentlemanofLeisure posted:I think the thing about the car list that makes me the most mad is that they trimmed it considerably but then they have like...5 BMW M3's, a bunch of Corvettes, 3 Trans Am's between the late 1960's-1970's. I know the cars are popular but man, go for some variety instead of that poo poo. I know GT gets a bad rap for having like 50 Skylines, but the fuckin game has 1000+ cars! Lastly, something tells me that having Mount Panorama and Spa in the game at launch is gonna be quite the balm on my hurt butt. Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Nov 7, 2013 |
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Nov 7, 2013 02:02
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Dr. Faustus posted:It is a little weird seeing some people seemingly forget the bitter disappointment that was GT5 and now knocking FM5 for not following that model of releasing unfinished product with a day-one 894 MB patch and a 2.0 patch waiting way off in the future of the game. FM5 is an unfinished product though, you need to download the day-one patch to get the content that's not on the disc that you bought, otherwise you'll never be able to complete the career mode of the game. They're releasing Forza 5 in an even worse and more incomplete state than GT5.
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Nov 7, 2013 02:31
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14 minute interview with Creative director Dan Greenawalt by Rev3Games. I might have to get an Xbone now gently caress http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUQXR8pItAoKDAJSbphFxbrg&feature=player_detailpage&v=sE0Dr4VEqi4
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Nov 7, 2013 02:35
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MUFFlNS posted:FM5 is an unfinished product though, you need to download the day-one patch to get the content that's not on the disc that you bought, otherwise you'll never be able to complete the career mode of the game. They're releasing Forza 5 in an even worse and more incomplete state than GT5. Dude, worse and more incomplete than GT5? Really. Really. Day one 894 MB patch. Really. GT 2.0 released just as FM4 was coming out, October 2011. How big was that one? I'm dumbfounded you could say this. Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Nov 7, 2013 |
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Nov 7, 2013 02:37
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Was GT5 a launch game?..
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Nov 7, 2013 02:37
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MUFFlNS posted:FM5 is an unfinished product though, you need to download the day-one patch to get the content that's not on the disc that you bought, otherwise you'll never be able to complete the career mode of the game. They're releasing Forza 5 in an even worse and more incomplete state than GT5. Gran Turismo 6 is exactly the same. Gran Turismo 5 had a day one patch too. This is standard for games now in fact. Forza 4 is still the best racing game hands down, and I doubt even GT6 will be better. I would even go as far as to say Forza 4 is more realistic.
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Nov 7, 2013 02:39
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Dr. Faustus posted:I beg to differ. Show me a couple gigabytes of patches and a game that still isn't really finished three full years later and I'll agree with you. Well you could play GT5 to completion without ever patching it, at least. Shame the same can't be said of Forza 5 since it's missing vital content that prohibits player progression until patched. Pretty major difference in my opinion  Anyway, I was just pointing out that your rambling that people would prefer Forza 5 to be unfinished when it literally is unfinished was silly, that's all.
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Nov 7, 2013 02:59
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MUFFlNS posted:Anyway, I was just pointing out that your rambling that people would prefer Forza 5 to be unfinished when it literally is unfinished was silly, that's all. Save the strawmen arguments for GBS or something. Really, you've reached a new low.
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Nov 7, 2013 03:01
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Even with less cars and tracks, I hope it's still fun. At its core Forza is a fun game and hits all the right spots - hitting more spots would be great, but I'll manage. I just hope career mode doesn't suffer too much, but with less cars and tracks there's not going to be as many one-off races and categories for special types of races. Hopefully they don't try to make the career really big like Forza 4's and fill it with redundant and repetitive races. Also, hopefully the standards are back like the leaderboard and online challenges or whatever they were called.
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Faceless Clock posted:This seriously sucks. I've been eagerly awaiting Forza 5, and in fact, I'd say it's the only MUST HAVE next-gen console game on my radar. And now T10's big announcement turns out to be that they've taken an axe to the content. Even with 1200 cars, the GT series still neglects a lot of cars relevant to car enthusiasts in the US. Until now, Forza was the only option for them but welp.
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Nov 7, 2013 03:20
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Dr. Faustus posted:That is not what I said and you know it. I said I'd rather have less content if it's higher quality than shitloads of low-quality content that I'd never touch. ...but you did  Dr. Faustus posted:It is a little weird seeing some people seemingly forget the bitter disappointment that was GT5 and now knocking FM5 for not following that model of releasing unfinished product with a day-one 894 MB patch and a 2.0 patch waiting way off in the future of the game. Anyway, I was just pointing out that the game has a day one patch is all. If I recall correctly Dan Greenawalt said it's because the Xbox One was originally designed with DRM in mind and 24-hour check-ins, so they designed the game around the assumption that everybody playing would be connecting online and they could push content out in a day one patch after the game went gold. There's no need to freak out 
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MUFFlNS posted:Anyway, I was just pointing out that the game has a day one patch is all. But you didn't merely point out that the game has day one patch. You also said, "They're releasing Forza 5 in an even worse and more incomplete state than GT5." We have seen with Turn10 that they prioritize to meet deadlines and milestones. We have seen with Polyphony Digital that they... suck at deadlines. Monumentally suck at deadlines. So, FM5 is a launch title. That is to say, it WILL launch with the console. GT5 was supposed to be one as well. We all know how well that turned out. I'm used to you saying unrealistically positive things about GT, but this is a step beyond what even I can stomach. Like I said, we're gamers and that means we're opinionated and sometimes disagree about stuff. But even if FM5 has a 895 MB day one patch, Polyphony's horrible track record will still be worse. Sorry if I sound angry, I'm more incredulous than anything.
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Nov 7, 2013 03:34
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MUFFlNS posted:FM5 is an unfinished product though, you need to download the day-one patch to get the content that's not on the disc that you bought, otherwise you'll never be able to complete the career mode of the game. They're releasing Forza 5 in an even worse and more incomplete state than GT5. I'm trying to remember, was GT5 a great game that had little content or was it a steaming pile of poo poo that got delayed 9 weeks and still was horrid until patch 137.0, 48 months after it came out
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Nov 7, 2013 08:50
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Can't we just talk about Forza in here? Do we have to rehash the same bullshit over and over? All of us have made up our minds and are gonna play the games we want to play on the platforms we preordered....... No one is going to change anyone's mind.
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Nov 7, 2013 12:53
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Models ported from fm4 wouldn't look out of place though. Every car had an interior, every car had a decent poly count. And the game looks good in hd on a 70 inch tv. Those models in fm5 would have been perfectly fine, and nowhere near the difference between normal and premium cars in gt5.
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Nov 7, 2013 13:47
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You guys are taking the wind out of my sails. I all-but pre-ordered the game last night, and now I'm thinking about just waiting for a while.
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Nov 7, 2013 13:57
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So someone correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the Mad Catz wheel supposed to be the "official" Xbox One wheel? Yet they havent announced a drat price yet, nor is it on any retailers website. What gives?
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GutBomb posted:Models ported from fm4 wouldn't look out of place though. Every car had an interior, every car had a decent poly count. And the game looks good in hd on a 70 inch tv. Those models in fm5 would have been perfectly fine, and nowhere near the difference between normal and premium cars in gt5. Basticle posted:So someone correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the Mad Catz wheel supposed to be the "official" Xbox One wheel? Yet they havent announced a drat price yet, nor is it on any retailers website. What gives? I actually like the MadCatz design, with the swappable wheels. But I do want to finally have a clutch, and of course their QC is always going to be suspect until they step it up. This product is looking pretty good, with the adjustable pedal springs and different wheel designs. Throw in a clutch pedal and I might give them a shot. robotsinmyhead posted:You guys are taking the wind out of my sails. I all-but pre-ordered the game last night, and now I'm thinking about just waiting for a while. Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Nov 7, 2013 |
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Nov 7, 2013 20:31
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Dr. Faustus posted:You're very cool in my book, GB. But this is pure conjecture. We haven't actually seen the final product in action at home to make the call. I suspect you have a point, but I also respect Turn10's decision to dump anything that doesn't meet their new standard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPAQa6Scbdc It looks like the absolute worst case would be that the old cars would have slightly worse reflections, but still nothing to the extent of GT5, and nobody should cheerlead the loss of quality car choices that could have easily been kept at little cost to the studio and at no harm to the consumer.
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Nov 7, 2013 20:42
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Neurolimal posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPAQa6Scbdc Since I don't code games for a living, I won't deign to second-guess T10 or what constitutes "harm to the consumer."
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Many, Many, Many, Many, Many, Many games threads have shown that having blind faith in a games studio you like at the cost of ignoring every video and bit of news is an incredibly bad idea. You can talk about how it could still be the bestest thing ever and that we can't really know until it's out, but be aware that anyone reading such a post is going to put it far below actual proof of what the game looks like and plays.
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Nov 7, 2013 20:49
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Aren't all cars in Forza 5 going to be autovista, you can't just pop in non autovista cars and magically make them autovista
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hitze posted:Aren't all cars in Forza 5 going to be autovista, you can't just pop in non autovista cars and magically make them autovista You're right about that, but the question is: if they can't get their entire selection autovista'd in time, would you consider it a feature worth shedding 3/4ths of the cars over, or would you be fine without it (and just let it be patched in at another point in time, or sold as DLC)?
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Neurolimal posted:You're right about that, but the question is: if they can't get their entire selection autovista'd in time, would you consider it a feature worth shedding 3/4ths of the cars over, or would you be fine without it (and just let it be patched in at another point in time, or sold as DLC)? Is it cool? Sure, it's cool to be able to fully explore a full car like that in game. It just doesn't add any value to me.
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It's cool but it's like a one time use for me, I don't know why they insist on using up so much time doing it. I play Forza to race, not to gawk at cars with toggle-able doors and poo poo.
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The weird thing is that there are Autovista cars from Forza 4 that won't be in Forza 5, which doesn't really make any sense. Here's the ones that they didn't bring over: 2009 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 1957 Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa 2002 Ferrari Enzo Ferrari 2010 Gumpert Apollo S 2006 Hummer H1 Alpha 2006 Koenigsegg CCX 2008 Lamborghini Reventon 2010 Morgan Aero SuperSports 2010 C8 Laviolette LM85 I'd be shocked if they weren't just saving them to throw into the DLC car packs.
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Neurolimal posted:Many, Many, Many, Many, Many, Many games threads have shown that having blind faith in a games studio you like at the cost of ignoring every video and bit of news is an incredibly bad idea. But I am not ignoring videos. I am stoked by the videos. If you read any of my posts you will know that I am also *not* ignoring the news. I am addressing it head-on. Jesus. quote:You can talk about how it could still be the bestest thing ever and that we can't really know until it's out Reminds me of something: quote:I already said this nine posts ago:
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Well, I've decided to cancel my order, along with my Xbox One. Maybe Forza 5 will still be awesome, but I'm not sticking my neck out to the tune of $560 bucks (plus the wheel!) to find out.
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Let's get serious now. Does anyone really think this game is going to suck??? Come fuckin' on. It'll be fantastic to play and will kick all sorts of rear end. I wish I had the money - I'm jealous of those that will get to play it. It's just what is missing/removed that anyone is actually (and righty) pissed about. The only people I really feel for are the poor wheel users who are being forced to upgrade. That sucks. I'm sure Forza 6 will be amazing, though. pvax fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Nov 7, 2013 |
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pvax posted:Let's get serious now. Does anyone really think this game is going to suck??? Come fuckin' on. It'll be fantastic to play and will kick all sorts of rear end. I wish I had the money - I'm jealous of those that will get to play it. I'm sure it will be fun to play, will it be 600 dollars fun for what I'm getting, probably not. I'll keep watching this thread to see how people like it and if something amazing is added to the game that makes me buy it, I'll get an xbone.
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