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| Vishy Anand |
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3 | 2.26% |
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30 | 22.56% |
| Kirsan Ilyumzhinov |
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100 | 75.19% |
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That was quite a game to end this match. A bit odd, but fun.
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Nov 22, 2013 15:19
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I'm surprised Carlsen was so dominant. Anand played a couple of the games well but couldn't push his advantage enough. Was holding out on d4 a mistake?
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Nov 22, 2013 15:22
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Hob_Gadling posted:Was holding out on d4 a mistake? If Anand knew this (Ian Rogers did when interviewed so it probably wasn't a very well-kept secret) it may have caused him to hestitate a bit.
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Nov 22, 2013 15:40
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Hob_Gadling posted:I'm surprised Carlsen was so dominant. Anand played a couple of the games well but couldn't push his advantage enough. Was holding out on d4 a mistake? 6.5-3.5 was actually the exact score predicted by rating difference. I don't want to say that holding out on d4 specifically was a problem, but Anand should have been more aggressive earlier. The line he played against the Nimzo, with 4.f3, is actually very drawish if black wants it to be (and knows what they're doing), but is good as a one-off. Better yet might have been some kind of Catalan structure which only promises a small edge, but also keeps pieces on the board. Also Magnus getting asked about his girlfriend.
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Nov 22, 2013 15:41
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Hand Knit posted:6.5-3.5 was actually the exact score predicted by rating difference. And in the final analysis, the difference in strength was what was always most likely to matter. It's not that match experience, nerves, and preparation don't matter, but those are all secondary to the basic question of "who's better at this chess thing?"
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Nov 22, 2013 15:45
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Hand Knit posted:6.5-3.5 was actually the exact score predicted by rating difference. I'm sad to see that Vishy didn't score even a single win though. How often does it happen that the defending world champion fails to win even one game in the match where they lose the title? It happened in Kasparov-Kramnik 2000 as well, as I recall.
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Nov 22, 2013 16:34
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 This is actually just a ploy to destroy the pocket computer he had on him the whole time.
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Nov 22, 2013 20:06
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Hand Knit posted:
First time I have seen a chess champion show that kind of behavior. He is also quoted saying "I guess it is time to be less *chess player* and more *celebrity*". Not sure if chess as a sport will benefit from this or not, I guess it will.
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Nov 22, 2013 20:29
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Edit: nevermind.
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Nov 22, 2013 20:30
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Hand Knit posted:
Yeah I'm not going anywhere near water if I was in India.
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Nov 22, 2013 20:39
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It's a pool at a 5 star hotel you doofus
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Nov 22, 2013 20:59
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Hikaru Nakamura, on Facebook: "Lets just say that if if either myself of Caruana fulfill our absolute potential, we will both have chances to beat him in the future." Optimistic...but then, if you're one of the top 5 chess players in the world, you probably have every right to feel you could eventually get to #1.
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Nov 22, 2013 22:06
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I think the people with chances to beat Carlsen in the future if they "fulfill [their] absolute potential" is probably more than just Caruana and Nakamura. But nice of Nakamura to include someone other than himself.
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Nov 22, 2013 22:09
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OrangeKing posted:Hikaru Nakamura, on Facebook: "Lets just say that if if either myself of Caruana fulfill our absolute potential, we will both have chances to beat him in the future." Whenever Nakamura talks trash about Carlsen I keep thinking "but you've never even gotten close to beating him in a classical game..." Of course OTOH IIRC Fischer had a pretty bad record against Spassky before their 1972 match.
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Nov 22, 2013 22:13
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OrangeKing posted:Hikaru Nakamura, on Facebook: "Lets just say that if if either myself of Caruana fulfill our absolute potential, we will both have chances to beat him in the future." You know, between this quote and the Sauron one, Carlsen is pretty well set up to say "stupid, fat hobbit!" at some point in the near future.
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Nov 22, 2013 22:24
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Carlsen seems to be rather too, ah, Norwegian to do something like that. I really would dig it if the "Sauron" nickname stuck, though. It'd be absolutely hilarious. e. Re: Fischer-Spassky, didn't Spassky take a ton of weird poo poo from Fischer? Like to the point where he could legitimately have said "No, gently caress you Bobby I'm out"?
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Nov 22, 2013 22:40
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V. Illych L. posted:e. Re: Fischer-Spassky, didn't Spassky take a ton of weird poo poo from Fischer? Like to the point where he could legitimately have said "No, gently caress you Bobby I'm out"? Yes Spassky was a true gentleman.
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Nov 22, 2013 22:51
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gret posted:Yes Spassky was a true gentleman. But there's a distinction between tag-teaming a group of prostitutes with Mikhail Tal* and rambling about the New World Order. I have no idea what exactly that distinction is or its meaning, but there is definitely a distinction. *It was Spassky, right?
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Nov 22, 2013 23:04
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Is Naka still loving around way too much with poker? I seem to remember him taking heat from people because poker was substantially taking away from his chess study time.
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Nov 22, 2013 23:09
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8WbDD2mmkw Magnus Carlsen gets thrown into the pool, as depicted in the still photo posted earlier. I was trying to think of ways to keep this thread more engaged throughout the year, and while this may require another thread in the appropriate subforum...would there be interest in a fantasy chess league of sorts? I have ideas of how to implement it, and would be willing to do most of the grunt work and provide a sweet prize fund of like a $10 SA gift certificate. Now you too can have the experience of being a grandmaster at a local weekend open, fighting for a few scraps to feed your family! Seriously, though, any interest? Without getting into too many details, the points would be based on a combination of wins in tournaments/matches and your team's average rating on each month's FIDE rating list, and it would last throughout 2014. I'm imaging about eight teams, though we could certainly accommodate more if there's a flood of fantasy chess interest. I mean, there's essentially an unlimited number of players to draft. Hand Knit posted:But there's a distinction between tag-teaming a group of prostitutes with Mikhail Tal* and rambling about the New World Order. I have no idea what exactly that distinction is or its meaning, but there is definitely a distinction. I've never heard this story, but it sounds kind of amazing!
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Nov 23, 2013 00:23
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I'm down for fantasy anything.
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Nov 23, 2013 00:42
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I want to LARP chess
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Nov 23, 2013 06:34
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Shoeonhead22 posted:I want to LARP chess I have slain thee, pawn! Umm, I'll post some draft rules for a fantasy chess league tomorrow and see what people think.
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Nov 23, 2013 07:45
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that sounds fun.
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Nov 23, 2013 09:17
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Could be neat. Side bets on # of specific opening lines made during a tournament? 
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Nov 23, 2013 15:07
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OrangeKing posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8WbDD2mmkw Magnus Carlsen gets thrown into the pool, as depicted in the still photo posted earlier. If you're going to go ahead with this, you can run it through this thread. It seems like a good way to keep people talking about the various top-level tournaments by giving particular players to follow. (I also suspect that a chess thread in TAQB would have negative views.) Creating a fantasy chess team seems interesting because you have to consider not just who will be better or worse, but who is actually going to play over the coming year RIP Gashimov. Also I'll consult with our local 'oral historian' to make sure I have the details straight on the Tal-Spassky thing, because I don't remember all the details very clearly and it may not be Spassky.
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Nov 23, 2013 15:52
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totalnewbie posted:I think the people with chances to beat Carlsen in the future if they "fulfill [their] absolute potential" is probably more than just Caruana and Nakamura. It's hard to overstate how really loving good Magnus is right now though.
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Nov 23, 2013 17:02
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For 2014 there's probably a list of several people who could beat him, although none of them would be the favourite. I'd throw out something like Kramnik, Svidler, Ivanchuk, Aronian, and maybe even guys like Grischuk, Radjabov (if he returns from the dadzone), Karjakin, and Caruana.
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Nov 23, 2013 17:49
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Hand Knit posted:If you're going to go ahead with this, you can run it through this thread. It seems like a good way to keep people talking about the various top-level tournaments by giving particular players to follow. (I also suspect that a chess thread in TAQB would have negative views.) Creating a fantasy chess team seems interesting because you have to consider not just who will be better or worse, but who is actually going to play over the coming year RIP Gashimov. Excellent - I just didn't want to assume it would be okay to run it through here, but it would be easier. On that note, let's try some draft rules, and get some feedback! Fantasy Chess Rules: Attempt the First Like any good fantasy sports league, our fantasy chess league will begin with a draft, which we'll just run through this thread. Each team will consist of five players, as well as one bench/reserve spot. The draft order will be randomly determined and will reverse each round (i.e., a snake draft). Roster moves would be pretty basic: if you want to move a player off the bench, just post in here and it'll take effect after the next rating list comes out (so that people can't be too manipulative with their rosters). Add/drops could be done too, but...maybe a maximum of two per team for the year, so that people aren't adding whoever is playing every week. Trades are cool, because everyone likes trading. Scoring There will be two ways to score points. First, each team's average rating (not including the reserve player) will be determined based on each month's FIDE rating list. The team with the lowest average rating will get one point, the team with the second-lowest rating will get two points, and so on. In a hypothetical eight team league, that means the top team would get eight points. Players will also earn their team points through their play in tournaments. Here's where we need to have a little discussion, both on what will score and how to score it. I have two ideas for each: 1) We come up with a list of events that count towards scoring. This would include all invitationals, the Olympiad, and anything World Championship related, but probably not open tournaments like Aeroflot. 2) Any event can count, but only results against other players in the league score points for your team. This could be a little trickier to track, but eliminates having to decide what tournaments count and which ones don't. As for scoring, I'm thinking a basic point for a win and .5 for a draw, though I could be convinced to only count wins and ignore draws. Possible Rules? -Should we require each team to have roster spots designated for a woman/a junior (or one each)? This would up the challenge level a bit. -Should there be bonus points for winning major tournaments? OrangeKing fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Nov 23, 2013 |
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Nov 23, 2013 18:56
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What process will you be using for the draft? Count me in either way
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Nov 24, 2013 05:26
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OrangeKing posted:As for scoring, I'm thinking a basic point for a win and .5 for a draw, though I could be convinced to only count wins and ignore draws. What prevents me from picking top 5 rated players in the world?
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Nov 24, 2013 05:29
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Hob_Gadling posted:What prevents me from picking top 5 rated players in the world? There will be a draft and a player can only be on one roster.
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Nov 24, 2013 05:42
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Can we get a no Magnus rule as well?
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Nov 24, 2013 06:03
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If we're counting total points and not score by percentage I doubt that would be necessary. In fact, depending on which tournaments we're looking at, he may even be picked after someone like Nakamura who plays god drat everything.
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Nov 24, 2013 06:06
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dibs on MVL. Interesting concept though I honestly don't see how the women players will work out, it will seem like a separate mini fantasy league aside for judit.
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Nov 24, 2013 06:13
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Hand Knit posted:If we're counting total points and not score by percentage I doubt that would be necessary. In fact, depending on which tournaments we're looking at, he may even be picked after someone like Nakamura who plays god drat everything. Yeah, I think we'll just go by total points. That's clearly not as balanced, but it's easier. And as long as everyone knows, it'll just be another consideration during the draft. Okay, after looking at the posts above and some thoughts of my own, I think I have what could be a final draft for the rules. In summary: fewer players per team, fewer points for the monthly rating lists (I don't want to eliminate it entirely, because it will help people whose players just happen to take a month off still get some points if they're doing well in general...and it guarantees an score update every month), a firm scoring system, and a proposed list of tournaments that will count, though I'm open to adjusting it. In fact, I hope we can adjust it, since I'm sure I've left some good ones off. I'm also open to arguments about including major national championships or the Women's Grand Prix tournaments, for instance. If you want to play, please post to confirm your interest. Here's a list of people who have explicitly said they want to play so far: OrangeKing gret Shoeonhead22 Fantasy Chess Rules: Take Two Like any good fantasy sports league, our fantasy chess league will begin with a draft, which will be run through this thread. Each team will consist of four players. The draft order will be randomly determined and will reverse each round (i.e., a snake draft). The season will start January 1 and end December 31. During the season, team owners are free to trade with each other at any time. Players can also be dropped and replaced by any player who is not currently on a team. However, teams will be limited to a maximum of three add/drop moves for the year, and a maximum of one in any given month. If a tournament is in progress, the add/drop will not take effect until after the tournament ends. Scoring There will be two ways to score points. Primarily, players will earn their team points through their play in tournaments. Players will earn one point per win and .5 points per draw during play in selected tournaments. The current tournament list is as follows (assuming they're all held): Wik aan Zee (including B and C groups?) Tal Memorial Dortmund Biel London Chess Classic Zurich Chess Challenge Candidates Tournament World Chess Championship Sinquefield Cup Norway Chess Bilbao Masters Gibraltar Open Aeroflot Open Chess Olympiad Any FIDE Grand Prix events that FIDE suddenly decides to schedule In addition, each team's average rating (not including the reserve player) will be determined based on each month's FIDE rating list. The top team on this measure will earn 3 bonus points, the second place team will earn 2, and the third place team will earn 1. At the end of the season, the team with the most points wins! I'll chip in a prize worth $10 or less in forum upgrades to the winner. ----------- Shoeonhead22 posted:What process will you be using for the draft? Count me in either way Just a typical snake draft. I'll give people a max of 24 hours to make each pick once we start; if anyone fails to make a pick, they'll get whoever the highest remaining player is on the live rating list. OrangeKing fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Nov 24, 2013 |
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Nov 24, 2013 07:49
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Sign me up.
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Nov 24, 2013 10:07
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I'm in. Is Linares truly dead now? I know at one point there was talk of it starting up again. vyshka fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Nov 24, 2013 |
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Nov 24, 2013 11:14
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I'll play your game you rogue. I suggest you do a random draw for the draft order pick on the first round.
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Sure I'll play. (that makes 7 I think?)
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