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rudatron posted:edit: oh wow, should have read the custom title. I given Eripsa attention and therefore made him richer, dammit! Attention Deficit Disorder The afternoon sun angled through a tear in the tent. Ma Bao-Zhi grunted, then shifted his face towards the shade and screwed up his eyes. In the absence of light, the retinal burns from his always-on pupil-tracking HUD-halo danced before his field of vision. He sat up and stretched. It was a new day. The corner of his visual field that was perpetually occupied by the DistroNet feed blinked. A major announcement was incoming from the most influential association of experts that he had ever been a part of: The Council Of Two Million With A Remit Of Everything. The upstart replacement of last year's not-hegemon, the Coven of Eight to the Seven; Masters of Knowledge, the Council had, yesterday, consisted of just over 50.3% of the surviving inhabitants of what had once been Taiwan SAR. However, as he scanned the headlines, he noted that an overnight disputation on the meaning of Buddha-nature had resulted in nearly two hundred being purged from the membership roster, and, more importantly, from the Council's ReDistroList. Ma had never posted to any discussion regarding Buddha-nature, for which he was now extremely thankful. Attention Distribution Cannot Be Gamed, he though, nodding to himself. It was a mantra every child knew, and it was obviously true. 'Gaming' would imply an illegitimate practice, and since the attention economy was inherently legitimate, any practice that arose thereof could not be 'gaming'. The use of randomly-assigned attention redistribution lists to strengthen the network-influence of an association of experts was one of the most powerful practices there was - without it, no modern association of experts could compete. With the saccadic grace of long practice, his pupils flipped to the updated, slightly smaller ReDistroList, and settled down to start his highly-encouraged ten hours of daily network-reinforcement. Ten hours - ten icons - each one painstakingly designed by the expert it represented. The Coven of Eight to the Seven had highly encouraged eight hours of ReDistroList attention, but the Council's superior attention ethic had led to an expert association network both wider and deeper in links, and thus, far more influential. The Coven defined their area of expertise too narrowly, and left themselves open to a ratio attack. It was a trivial task for the Council to dial down the attention ratio of key knowledge industries overnight, leaving the Coven rudderless and sinking. Ma had been a third-quartile defector, holding out longer than most; his punishment was to enter the Council with six month's half-ratio deficit. Half as likely to be randomly assigned to other experts ReDistroList, he counted himself lucky - the fourth quartile had been exiled entirely. As is, he was comfortably off in a deficit camp outside Taibao. Ma shook himself; introspection was an audience of one. The first icon belonged to Tracy Liu: 166kg, pink highlights and moderator by acclaim of a yaoi fandom for the ancient classic, Glengarry Glen Ross. The minutes ticked by, and as the completion bar for the first icon flipped over into green and Tracy's hand-drawn icon faded from sight - young Al Pacino gently cupping young Jack Lemmon's testicles on a bed of index cards - Ma decided that he would treat himself with an hour of free attention. He rucked the covers back from his legs and withdrew his 75MHz future-proofed laptop from its pouch. Minutes later, halfway through the boot-sequence, Ma heard the unmistakable whirring of a Bother-Gyro. He dug rapidly through the contents of the tent for the thick blanket he'd found the week before, to muffle the fans of the laptop, but the blanket had been redistributed. It was too late anyway: the Bother-Gyro's tracking software had heard the fans. "Go away!" shouted Ma. < Hello Friend And How Are You And Woo! > The Bother-Gyro hovered just out of Ma's reach. "滚蛋!" < Would You Like A Comestible?! Marmalade Is In This Week! > "gently caress off." Bother-Gyros were increasingly common, flying over the water from the Penghu Collective, and Ma had tangled with them before, when he was a high-ratio member of the Coven: an attractive target. The Collective were Min-speakers, and the language barrier was starving them of culture-based attention, and forcing them to desperate measures. He knew that while they would advertise to any moving object, their main purpose was to gain the attention of the victim. Even compared to the average camp member, Ma's influence ratio was low... "Hey! Bot! There's a high-ratio family just over that wall! You can bother them all at once! Think of the attention gains!" Unfortunately for Ma, the Bother-Gyro was also running off a 75MHz chip, which did not support voice recognition. Even more unfortunately, what little resources it did have to bring to bear were mainly concentrated on measuring the direction of gaze of the victim, and Ma's gaze had briefly moved from the Gyro to the wall he was gesturing at. The Gyro aimed a module at the RFID tag on Ma's halo. *pffffsss* "gently caress!" Pepper-spray will catch anyone's attention. Whilst Ma rolled around in the dirt, the Bother-Gyro gently settled on the ground next to him, conserving battery. Proximity was worth less attention than direct eye-contact, but it was still worth something. After a minute, the database updated the Gyro on Ma's uninspiring attention value, and it buzzed off in search of less deficient prey. ---- The afternoon was nearly over before Ma's eyes stopped watering, and the pupil-tracker started to update correctly. Luckily, his HUD-halo was undamaged - it could still receive and transmit audio, video, pupil-tracking data and, indeed, record everything that Ma did. Nine hours of ReDistroList remained on his schedule, but he had bigger things on his mind. Of all the places, his deficit camp was lucky enough to be in viewing distance of a celebrity battle. It wasn't entirely by chance, of course. Celebrity Mechas were very power-hungry, and required tethering to the grid network, and deficit camps had the tendency to spring up in unused land along grid lines. While city dwellers might have had the massed influence to force such a destructive event outside their municipal margins, a deficit camp by definition could not face up to even the most minor celebrity's choice of land-resource. This particular battle was between the gigantic robots piloted by a pornography magnate and a man who was extremely good at making videos of cats. Hovering cameras darted about the provided every possible angle around the machines, while in-cockpit vision was granted by cameras attached to both control modules. There were no adverts - the battle itself drew all the attention the participants needed. The pornographer had outfitted his mecha with water sprinklers, providing the substrate for projected holograms of noted starlets and their riveting performances. The cat man, showing disdain for the practice of up-attending, had a far more stripped-down mecha, bowing to demand only by having a control module shaped like a cat's head. While his initial surge in influence had been off the back of a pet British Shorthair, his true power came from his decision to breed several thousand of the creatures and lock them in a vast complex filled with pastel colors and assorted common household items. Cuteness, too, can be brute-forced. As the two machines started to stride towards each other, Ma watched camp-dwellers who sought influence more than health run between the legs of the mechas. Like so much in the attention economy, it was a dual payoff. Simply being near a mecha guaranteed a proportion of the attention that the pilot was constantly exuding, and that was worth the risk of injury in itself. But, if a camera tracked by millions happened to autofocus on a lucky expert? Why, a single second's worth of attention was more than the expert might otherwise see in a lifetime. The battle was joined, and as the mechas stamped to and fro, they came closer and closer to the western edge of the camp - the edge furthest from Ma. Even those experts in the camp whose lack of attention ethics had placed them dangerously close to exile from their associations could not help but pay heed. Lasers flashed, missiles flew, and clouds of smoke emerged even when not strictly necessary. In fact, the battle, like most battles, was more bark than bite: it was considered bad form to actually kill another celebrity, not least because it tended to alienate part of your potential audience. After all, who didn't enjoy both pornography and cat videos? The din didn't just attract the attention of experts - from miles around, Bother-Gyros wheeled in, guided by the very human tendency to correlate decibels and attention. Ma gazed in wonder as a two flocks of gyros of different manufacture, bathed in the proximity wash from the mechas, each mistook the other flock as the source of attention. Overriding the normal guideline that led them to disperse for maximal coverage, the gyros spiralled madly in ever decreasing circles as they sought to increase that flow. As he watched, the gyrating super-flock, consisting of nearly a hundred Bother-Gyros, whirled into the cloud of spray being produced by pornographer's mechanical contraption. A hundred automatic protection circuits flared into action, and the mass of gyros punched in the opposite direction - straight into the air intake ducts of the cat-mecha. One gyro would have been unfortunate. Five would have led to an emergency shutdown. But no mecha-designer had considered such a freak occurrence as the emergent behaviour so briefly displayed by the gyro-flocks. Admittedly, QA and Safety were neglected disciplines ever since the advent of the attention economy - who would dedicate their lives to a discipline that involved something so unquantifiable as preventing rare occurrences? After all, it's not as though someone might lose their accumulated attention - just their lives. With a massive crunch, the flywheels at the center of the cat-mecha broke apart, releasing a torrent of kinetic energy, and sending parts of the mecha in every direction. The pornographer tried to backpedal his mecha away from the burning debris, but his attention elsewhere, he stepped directly on one of the experts that had been trailing his footsteps. As his machine overturned, the pornographer clutched at the control panel, seeking the emergency eject key, but by chance also fat-fingering the steam overcharge system. The porn-mecha's control module blasted off the chassis - straight into the side of one of the few fixed-wall buildings in the camp. The steam explosion, while softer, was far more deadly. Ma had hit the ground as soon as he saw the first gyro sucked into the air-intake - luckily so, as burning debris had taken out several of his neighbours. Now, his view obscured by what remained of the same three foot-wall he had urged the gyro to surmount earlier that day, he flicked his eyes to open a newsline. The events of the past minute had gone viral - his feed was already filling with commentary from the other side of the world. Every last survivor would soon be bombarded with requests for commentary on the death of the celebrities. Celebrities plural? The feed from the cat-mecha was still active. In fact, the explosion had blown the control module right over the camp, landing to the east, far from the screams of the scalded and poisoned camp dwellers. Ma held a rag over as much of his mouth and nose as he could reach through his HUD-halo, and levered himself to his feet. The cat man was alive. In fact, he was almost unhurt - a mere fractured collarbone. He was, however, trapped inside his module, and mouthing something - the audio feed from his cockpit had cut out. Ma tore his attention from his HUD-halo and looked out, directly at the smoking module in the distance. Never mind proximity attention - to be the man who saved a celebrity from almost certain death? To be the only source of an audio feed for the sole celebrity survivor of what the international feeds were calling the Disaster of Taibao? Ma started to trot towards the control module, avoiding the prone bodies of those less fortunate survivors, around some of whom flames still flickered. He tore his foot away from the grasp of one, whilst muttering thanks for the last few seconds of absolute attention they granted him. He stepped over a corpse, then briefly glanced behind him. The least concussed of the able-bodied camp survivors were already moving after him. 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The forum rules force anyone trying to reply to Eripsa to pay attention to his posts. Is all of this simply practice for when the attention economy makes Eripsa into the wealthiest troll of all? Discuss.
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After three months of careful global deliberation, the smoke rising from the chimney of the Neo Papal Conclave has finally turned white. The Catholic world has focused on this for most of the past three months; candidate after candidate has been hotly debated, scrutinized from all angles, and deemed unworthy. But consensus has unified around the only candidate able to sustain global attention for the entire time. All hail His Holiness, Ceiling Cat The Third.
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Eripsa, just out of curiosity, did you pay any attention to the last thread where evilweasel pointed out that applying your crowdsourcing traffic plans to the US would result in doubling the death rate in the country as a whole? As you've immediately brought up another car analogy my guess is you did not. Is this perhaps a crack in your theory that the wisdom of crowds rewards good ideas?
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ITT, the problem with Occupy Wall Street is that the smelly annoying guy who talked the loudest and blocked consensus on every issue for three months was not talking loudly enough
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Cream_Filling posted:Hey guys, your friendly NSA community liason here! I'm uploading the latest elint captures and also last week's satellite and drone footage to the NSAcloudwikibase as we speak (or rather as I type XD ). As always, a reward of 50 attention bux to anyone who spots a terrorist or seditionist. Have fun out there! And as always a big welcome to our friends from China and around the globe! Posting to claim my attention bux for quoting this post Is there still an attention bux reward for everyone who bumps an NSA thread over 500 replies or was that last week?
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Don't mind me, just testing the theory that posting a bunch of times in a row is worth more attention bux than only posting once here's a mildly NSFW picture of a porn star to make sure you're all looking forward to the next one
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Remember, to register your opinion about this thread, it is very important that you not rate it at all
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Hi guys I'm back from work! Now streaming my life as I help crowdsource traffic for the next eight hours. If you like my channel, please add it to your favorite Google Glass livestreams, let it record and set your AHK script on to rate it a 5 every ten minutes for a chance to win :1000bux:! *clicks Yes to make sure the crowdsourced sheriff stops every car with a hot girl in it while getting drunk and discussing the merits of her rear taillights on webcam*
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RealityApologist posted:I absolutely agree with you that reddit has aspects that are a disgusting wreck of human filth and depravity. I still think it would do a better job than the NSA, where that depravity has been institutionalized into an entire economic class. At least the kids of reddit aren't paid professional salaries to do their poo poo. hey reddit, if you could eliminate anything, what would it be? "Racism. No, I changed my mind... Mexicans." [+757] (reddit.com) "He picked the cotton himself." [+1962|-634] (reddit.com) "friend of the family beans" [+370] (reddit.com) On the subject of people's pornography preferences: "It's all well and good until someone defends beastiality or pedophilia. Then the torches come out." [+449] (reddit.com) "My girlfriend is a porn star and boy is she going to be pissed off when she finds out."[+2478] "Same for my daughter."[+1131] (reddit.com)
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If a crowd collectively decides to crucify Eripsa, what level of irony is everyone involved operating on? What if a crowd just sort of doesn't like him but also doesn't want to get off the couch so nothing happens?
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In a world of RAHOWA there are no fuzzy borders, and that means it's clear exactly what and what isn't tolerated, and it is defined by a protocol In the world of anarcho-capitalism there are no fuzzy borders, and that means it's clear exactly what and what isn't tolerated, and it is defined by a protocol In the Matrix there are no fuzzy borders, and that means it's clear exactly what and what isn't tolerated, and it is defined by a protocol I can keep going all day and definitely will because this is a self-reinforcing cycle and every ten likes of my posts gets me four minutes of making the muppets next door dance for their toothpaste ration
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RealityApologist posted:Traffic is a paradigm case of self-organization, in both India https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djo_sJwgIQ0
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RealityApologist posted:If modern warfare is different, and modern soldiers are given more latitude to judge and react spontaneously to their environment, its because the military knows that self-organized, semi-autonomous units are more effective at accomplishing tasks than rigid top-down structures of command and control. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_logistics
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RealityApologist posted:I've refined my views and examples an incredible amount in the last few years, and I've learned a lot more about organizational dynamics in natural systems that have suggested all sorts of improvements and revisions of my views. RealityApologist posted:I unironically cited India as an example of a self-organizing traffic system a second time after getting run out of the previous thread by a massive pile of dead Indians
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Eripsa, are you using a military platoon as an example of a semi-autonomous, self-organizing unit because you know as much about that as you do about Indian traffic?
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Eripsa, I would genuinely like to explore your views on modern military strategy and tactics in the context of describing small units as semi-autonomous agents. Are you perhaps referring to the well known documentary about the US special forces entitled "Rambo III"?
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Eripsa, on a scale of 1 to 100, how self-autonomous was any given member of the British military during the Falklands War?
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RealityApologist posted:I said that the modern military uses more self-organized tactics and give soldiers a greater degree of autonomy than a Napoleonic army. You are strawmanning my position. Eripsa, what do you think was the degree of autonomy an individual company commander had in the War of 1812 as opposed to the Falkland Islands? On a related note, why do you think Napoleon lost the War of 1812?
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Yo GIP I know one of you people is lurking this and lolling so I'm just gonna say feel free to pretend Eripsa is a Canberra, invade and shoot that poo poo down tia I know it's a long flight back to GIP but you can always do that midair refueling trick I've heard so much about
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RealityApologist posted:My comment about the military was at the very general level comparing Napoleonic formations with modern warfare. If I'm wrong about the point I'm happy to be corrected. I'm not claiming to know anything more detailed about military strategy than this obviously true and very general claim. The claim was made only to illustrate the argument about self-organization, which comprised the bulk of that post. It would probably be helpful to your cause if you could at least point out why Captain Dunning lost Napoleon the war with his reckless charge right into Corporal Kruger's forces.
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RealityApologist posted:I don't give a poo poo about anything in this post. Aaaaaand game
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The attention economy: For the past five years, the creepy uncle has been taking multi-camera recordings of the Thanksgiving festivities, which has allowed him to make obsessively detailed records over which sides and portions are eaten by each dinner guest each year. This allows the creepy uncle to tell the fat girl exactly how much of a fatty she is, extrapolate that her sister is a terrible cook, and also notice that the husband has excused himself early for three straight Thanksgivings and is probably having an affair. Advantage: awesome if you're the creepy uncle. Disadvantage: the fat girl is on the Toothpaste Council and retaliates by hauling the uncle in for questioning about his massive toothpaste expenditures. Possible/preferable alternative models: The Singularity: A wonderland indistinguishable from magic where replicators do all the work. Advantages: replicate whatever you want, possibly easier to implement than the attention economy Disadvantages: GLADOS does not like cake very much so dessert is out The time machine: everyone goes forward in time (going forward avoids pesky paradoxes) to a distant future where gigantic turkeys have evolved and one thigh feeds the entire household. Advantages: no need to clean up as the robot butlers will do it for you Disadvantages: still tastes like turkey The zombie apocalypse: Zombies slaughter the household and feast on each individual member, one to a zombie. Advantages: no decisions or preparation required Disadvantages: probably the last Thanksgiving ever
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rkajdi posted:Honestly, it's like you haven't put any real thought into this part of your theory. Or, as with most singularity Utopians, you simply don't care about anybody less wealthy, white, straight, and male than you. You can refute this if you show me explicit mechanisms in your theory to both protect minority rights, and keep non-governmental organizations from gaining authority and effectively becoming governments themselves. He's not a singularity utopian. Whatever the Singularity may be, if you start from the premise that it can exist, it seems safe to say the other side involves a post-scarcity society. There is no need for any of Eripsa's utter nonsense if you can just replicate your way to infinite resources/everyone lives in (the Oort) cloud/some other wizard does it. RealityApologist posted:And again, my example was not meant to address issues where scarcity changes the game dynamics. Instead, Eripsa is *starting with* a Singularity scenario, bolting a creepy uncle on top of it, then acting offended that we don't immediately see his genius while handwaving away all the other unimportant things like the practicality of creepy uncles in 2013 (but we totally have the computing power right now guys) and why creepy uncles are a net benefit. Anyway, this is way more seriousness than he deserves so this is your obligatory reminder: Adar posted:It would probably be helpful to your cause if you could at least point out why Captain Dunning lost Napoleon the war with his reckless charge right into Corporal Kruger's forces. RealityApologist posted:I don't give a poo poo about anything in this post.
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Also, in the attention economy, there is no need for free speech because staring at the man with the gun already validates that he's much more important than the separatist rebellion cell you were talking to
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Also also, equal protection sounds suspiciously like promoting equal time for dog and cat videos and we can't have that *shoots dog on livecam, Attention Rating triples*
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RealityApologist posted:This trade off in privacy should be accompanied with a reduction in the disparity of knowledge/power between parties. Or at least, that would be the case if privacy were traded in exchange for public utility, as I'm arguing. On my system, your information is partially public, but no one is put in a position of authority (like an "employer") where they might use that information against you, or use it to deprive you of your livelihood. There simply are no institutional authorities in my system that can leverage that knowledge against your institutional role. So giving up your information isn't making any private parties more powerful. In the existing system, in contrast, privacy is usually traded to private or closed parties (like Facebook or the NSA) who not only can use that information against you, but can also use it as a competitive advantage over other private parties, with no functional guarantees for the user beyond the convenience of the service itself. So in the existing world, the user has to be careful that the wrong party doesn't acquire their information, whereas that's not a systemic issue with mine. *makes a claim that in The Attention Economy, there are no advantages to having all the information* *is a peon, but still holds a position of authority over a bunch of students submitting their work directly to him* *sees no contradiction in terms as he makes an analogy involving a creepy uncle who obsessively harvests information on his relatives for years*
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In the Attention Economy, if someone is spouting enough nonsense to enough people that he registers as a blip to the all-volunteer Troll Police, does he get fired? Or is this a thing where the plucky resistance fighters offer you a red pill and a blue pill and if you pick the right one you step outside all the security cameras and can also fly?
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archangelwar posted:When I masturbate, I often stare blankly at my dick while I imagine a steamy sex session with Jessica Alba. In the attention economy, would this ensure that more resources are allocated to dicks than Jessica Alba? Because, drat... For the past five years, the creepy uncle has been taking multi-camera recordings of your wanking, which has allowed him to make obsessively detailed records over every porn video you had open each year
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Applied Lessons in Attentionology 318: Final Exam 1. You are a TA in Applied Attentionology at a highly regarded educational institution. For most of the year, your students have paid no attention to you whatsoever and your RateMyProfessor Minute-By-Minute graphs are through the floor; if nothing changes, you have no chance at passing your PhD boards and may have to get a job exporting Rick Astley videos to the Third World. The night before the final exam, an attractive undergrad walks into your office and begs for help. Staring at you the whole time, she offers to make it worth your while to pass her. Do you: 1)Activate your Google Glass, record a porn video and upload it to Youtube hoping her attractiveness overcomes your pastiness and flab and gets you a better job offer in the reality sex industry; 2)See through her ruse and do nothing - she's obviously already recording this conversation as part of her final project, and going along with a fourth rate student who won't even be able to edit your flab out of her video will get you nowhere; 3)She's already staring at you. As long as you keep her attention long enough, both of your metrics are bound to skyrocket. "Have you ever seen A Clockwork Orange?"
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hey it's been a few days let's check out the str...holy gently caress okay let's see the latest non-child porn nah just kidding there's some child porn abortion of a story the following post has lots of words but there's a funny part I promise (scroll to the bold) quote:"In our Strange economy, the key to long-term success is stability. For the last six years the story in the paper industry has been of consistent quarterly neutrality, the longest such period since the Great Transition 20 years ago. We're now half way through the current fiscal year and I'm pleased to report that the story shows no signs of changing. Economists suggest that the stability we've experienced in paper is consistent with similar reports from other sectors of the economy, and is indicative of the unparalleled success of the last two decades of economic restructuring. An economy that is neutral for 20 years is not a good thing. If you had any knowledge of economics, you would know this, but alas. quote:"On to brass tacks. You should all have copies of the report with specific figures, but the bottom line is this: we are reporting quarterly revenue of around 2.6 billion Strangecoin, with a net profit of just under 5000 coin, indicating a balance of income to expenses to within 0.00019%. A total coupling network reaching over 32,000 nodes and an extended support network covering 15 million nodes in the greater Northwestern region puts our balance figure well below the three-decimal-point accuracy mandated by the revised Strangecoin protocol for a class-2 organization of our size. With a balance cap of 50 billion coin, these figures indicate that we could continue operating in the present conditions without disruption for the next five million years. That is, assuming the rest of the network continues to play nice. He's sounding really upbeat for someone whose company has 2.6b in revenue and has never been profitable in 20 years no matter how much you dress up a balance cap to make it fit the rest of your dystopian hellhole, it still won't be a positive, because you don't understand economics quote:"Our fixed assets remain unchanged from last quarter, with machinery operational at all 10 major pulp processing facilities and 35 distribution centers covering an area extending from Anchorage to El Paso and Seattle to Winnipeg. Our fixed assets together with our extended coupling and support network puts us in potential command of approximately 15 trillion Strangecoin per hour using the industry standard Hofstadter-Whipping benchmark. These resources put us just inside the top 35% of the most influential corporate entities in the Northwest region. The world is at our disposal, my friends, should we need it. Oh man top 35% I can totally get myself a sandwich also, if the world is at his disposal, it's also at the disposal of the 35% of corporations above his in his region, so this must either be a communist planned economy where no one competes with anyone ever or this man's completely neutral existence is soon to be shattered by somebody slightly better at "economics" and/or "not being a complete moron" quote:"In particular, our analysts indicate that Northwest Consolidated Paper Org controls 84% of the paper production and distribution in the greater Northwest region, with our next four competitors satisfying another 15.8% of paper production in this region. As I've indicated, these figures have held steady for the last six years with almost no change. That's despite an expected average growth of 1.25% per year, a figure that's been constant across the paper industry for the last decade. Given the new facility we opened in Eureka four years ago, and the major renovations across three other facilities in the time since, this all gives us good reason to believe that these figures will perform robustly under changes in both demand and labor conditions. Our models indicate that any attempts to establish a greater market share would result in significantly less stability in our network and across the paper industry, ultimately having an adverse effect for our close coupled relationships to other industrial and labor organizations. yes, if strangecoins = magic and trying to earn more of them would be bad, trying to earn more of them would indeed be bad, with you so far you don't understand economics also, if the last 20 years have seen an average of 1.25%^20 growth in industry X, a)chances are the economy hasn't been "exactly neutral", you loving idiot b)they are presumably producing around 28% more paper but have somehow managed to break exactly even on this (of course they have). the followup question is why did they even bother to produce it in the first place? who knows, who cares, strangecoins are magic c)his competitors are smarter than him, as they're also breaking exactly even and doing much less actual work d)you are really, really, really bad at all of this. economics, human relationships, describing corporate meetings, human speech, and so forth quote:"Turning to those coupled relationships, many of whom are represented at this meeting, we find that the economic stability describing our current situation is largely mirrored across large sectors of our immediate economic network, a situation that can only indicate a resilient economic situation. There are exceptions, of course, the most notable of which is the publishing industry, which remains a fractured shadow of its former self. Nevertheless our coupling portfolio remains strong. It's resilience was put to the test three years ago during fires across much of the hemp growing regions of the Northwest, which put some severe constraints on our production capacity and threatened to significantly delay our production schedule. But coordinated efforts with our immediate coupling partners was sufficient to prepare us for the hemp shortage, and over the last three years our imbalances never grew above 0.0008%, still well below the three-decimal mandate. Put simply, over the last decade our organization has withstood critical tests in the stability on both the supply and demand end, and we've proven more than capable of adaptively responding to those challenges and maintaining our market position. so there was 28% growth in the production of paper (but publishing is dead) (and also hemp fires) (but none of that changed anything) you are describing a post scarcity command economy with absolutely no basis for its existence while having no real idea what any of these words mean, quite fascinating really blah blah chow meow some more words who cares the really loving hilarious thing is coming up quote:"I'm just here only partially as a rep node for GRI; I asked to be put on the agenda mostly out of a sense of personal obligation. It's true that the provisions necessary for this paper election campaign can be planned for and carried out with minimal disruption-- that's what this post-scarcity thing is supposed to be all about, right?-- but I feel that I must urge again before the assembled parties that we don't have to do this. We have something of a motto: 'New use is a noose! Reuse!' Printed election materials are a paradigm case of one-use waste, of precisely the sort that the GRI has been fighting against since before the Transition began. I'm all in favor of the democratic spirit, but there's no reason to suspect that the post-Transition voting procedures are inadequate and that a return to paper voting is necessary. Using compression algorithms in consensus tanks on the MeshNet has been shown again and again to approximate the voter landscape to within three-decimal-point accuracy. The last two refederalization campaigns in the California territory have been unsuccessful by a 40 point spread each time, and the Refederalization Initiative has done nothing to demonstrate a failure in the consensus tank models. From our perspective at GRI, the proposed paper election is an example of desperation tactics to obscure a failing strategy, and not a legitimate expansion of the use profile of paper in the region. in this post, a paper making company has been handed an order for 20% of their capacity and has decided to reject it and attempt to completely block the popular referendum the order is based upon you literally have a corporation going "nah, gently caress that, we're gonna go ahead and block a popular vote". like, forget that they don't want to make money because magic, a corporation just decided to block a vote and you in all seriousness wrote this series of words as a positive ITT, seven people go "nah, gently caress this referendum, ain't having it" and so for want of a ballot printer the plebes don't get to have one you are a huge, giant, enormous idiot who does not understand slightly more things than just economics (all of the things) quote:"Thanks B.A., I'll keep this quick, I know this is already running long. The NCPO has many valued partners across the publishing industry, some of whom are in attendance today. As Mr. Peck noted in his opening remarks, the publishing industry remains fragmented across a number of independent outfits, still shattered by trade disputes during the Transition, and unable to organize for a variety of complicated political and economic reasons that don't concern us much here. However, these disputes often put the NCPO in an awkward middle position between publishers, and that's what we're facing today. As you may have heard, a coalition of 35 independent publishers, many of whom are within the NCPO distribution area and some of whom are coupled partners attending this meeting through the MeshNet today, and which represents the largest such organization of publishers to coalesce since the Transition, has recently united in protest of a small outfit named Eromenos that they allege is publishing illustrated child pornography. A number of root nodes across the publishing industry have written and signed a formal letter announcing their allegations; we've drawn up a consensus tank on the issue that has samples from the Eromenos catalog, along with the signed statement from the emerging-- and as yet unnamed-- publishing coalition, and Monte Carlo simulations of the next four quarters with or without excision are available to assist your decision process. a small outfit is producing child porn and so the paper manufacturers of the brave new world have gathered to possibly do something about it at some point in the future presuming they feel like coming to a consensus at a future board meeting a while from now okay, sure, why not, this is certainly enough of an idiocracy slash libertopia that exclusion instead of calling the police sounds feasible also, as Cefte points out, this is taken almost exactly from Murray Rothbard, but of course you haven't read any of that so calling you out on it is pointless suffice to say this is merely the second dumbest thing you said in this story, so Imma just go ahead and close with this: you've just written a story about a corporation blocking a vote while failing to do anything about a child porn publisher and you think you're showing a positive you loving idiot
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RealityApologist posted:I gave an answer, which is that TUA transactions are unmodified, and that being network-rich is more important in strangecoinland than being coin-rich. People are still stuck on the idea that the coins themselves are valueless, as if they don't realize that money is also valueless until people start trading them through established socioeconomic networks. Let me put this into short, simple words an idiot may be able to understand: -pieces of paper, wampum sticks, stone heads, etc. are valueless until two people come up with the mutual idea to trade them to each other instead of hauling a goat around, at which point the piece of paper very quickly comes to represent a goat -strangecoin is valueless because "the coins themselves are valueless", meaning that strangecoins do not, in fact, represent goats -this not only makes strangecoins not money, it makes your horrifically dumb system completely independent of strangecoins or goats this is called "post-scarcity" and you haven't even figured this out two several hundred page threads in, never mind why post-scarcity doesn't need strangecoins or shunning child porn producers instead of calling the police, so I'm just gonna stop here until you show an inkling that this makes sense to you
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RealityApologist posted:If one's primary network of relationships are based largely on family and friend affiliations, and one's wealth is based on those networks of affiliations, then there's no way to systematically discriminate against any race or gender, because most racial and gender minorities have friends and family. You see, Jews have friends and family so there's no way to discriminate against them. This is wrong. You loving idiot. quote:The way to get rich in strangecoin is to grow one's network Prove it. Don't write fiction about it, don't assume things out of thin air, etc. Prove that growing a network makes you richer than taking all comers. you can't, because that's not how a currency works quote:, and there's absolutely nothing in the system preventing anyone (even minorities) from doing that. Perhaps in an already deeply segregated society, Strangecoin would make it hard to reach outside the separate communities to forge inter-organizing relations. But in a society that is moving towards integration, then there are lots of dimensions of overlap between otherwise disparate communities, and forming connections becomes much easier. Unless there's a specific argument showing that society is becoming less integrated and more racially segregated, there's no reason to think these trends suddenly reverse under strangecoin. In fact, in strangecoin it's in people's interest to find these sorts of intercommunity connections and strengthen them. If anything, strangecoin assists in the project of integration. There is every reason to think that strangecoin reverses these trends because that's baked into your half-assed idea in the first place. Strangecoin rewards shunning certain groups of people over others, ergo, they will be shunned according to the pre-existing biases of 6 billion human beings. You loving idiot. Also, I wish I could just quote every post from the other thread back at you but I do remember a certain "ITT we are an 18 year old girl whose last transaction was with Planned Parenthood" post you never replied to because you are a loving idiot that shuns posts you don't like. quote:The people who get hosed over in Strangecoinland are the people who have no friends or family and are incapable of forming the relationships necessary to build them. These are mostly going to be people with severe mental and personality disorders. We can talk about how to deal with this in Strangecoinland, but that's a much different case than discrimination against Jews or whatever. Since people are only raising objections about racial discrimination, I take this as an indication that people aren't understanding the proposal being offered. You have literally just proposed shunning the mentally disabled but don't see how that applies to a minority group because that's different. You loving idiot.
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RealityApologist posted:The stronger kind of discrimination in strangecoindia has to do with nepotism, celebrity, and other forms of preferential attachment. gee how does nepotism translate to underprivileged social classes being unable to climb through social strata it's almost like you are a total, utter fool
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May 11, 2014 17:05
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ITT we decide the money of Milhouse Windsor IV is better than anyone else's and call this a feature
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May 11, 2014 17:07
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ITT we change the price we pay for a hamburger by adding an extra thousand people to our GoogleFacebook (but they have to be the right kind of people; wouldn't want anyone with a name like Aaliyah in the mix)
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ITT we have bad political opinions, get into a car accident, require lifesaving medication and immediately
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ITT we are immigrants who have just arrived to the country and immediately starve to death because oops our social network status classifies us as feebleminded
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ITT we are urban 20-somethings who go home to rural Mississippi for Thanksgiving and cannot buy a ticket out because selling to "those people" would compromise everyone dealing with us in rural Mississippi
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