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i don't know how the gently caress michael piller did it, but season 3 of TNG is almost immediately more professional, better directed and better looking from the first episode. even the new uniforms are smarter and more professional than the tight spandex from the very start. it's like they finally figured out what to do with this show after two seasons of not knowing what the gently caress was going on who would have thought the creator of a show falling into terrible health and eventually dying would actually be good for his creation
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If it worked for God, it will work for Roddenberry.
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Jan 9, 2015 12:06
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the survivors owns by the way and after failing like three or four times to make a god species work, they finally managed to do it a whole three episodes into a 26 episode season
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Jan 9, 2015 12:11
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Second season showed promise, IMO, but they'd already strangled it to death in s1 aping BSG and doing mumford and sons montage outros. They were about one more season away from closing every episode on soulful blues covers sung by one of the lead actresses and a fade to reaper.
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Delsaber posted:They were about one more season away from closing every episode on soulful blues covers sung by one of the lead actresses and a fade to reaper. That's harsh.
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Delsaber posted:They were about one more season away from closing every episode on soulful blues covers sung by one of the lead actresses and a fade to reaper. I like Defiance 
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Luigi Thirty posted:there was a writers strike so everything was recycled from rejected TOS and Phase II scripts with the names changed The only Phase II scripts recycled for TNG were The Child and Devil's Due, and the only TOS recycle I'm aware of was Naked Now. Tujague posted:Oh wow that is rad, I just started SG-1 but I might check this poo poo out so I can weigh in on this important twenty year old nerd debate. All I remember from that show is that they had pilots who drove the ship by reaching up and grabbing a thing above their heads and leaning left and right, which was sort of funny. Also, didn't they literally fight Poseidon? Am I thinking of the right show? I will see if my favorite Croatian-registered streaming video site can help me out inbetween trying to jam my hard drive full of porno viruses. Poseidon, and also a giant dinosaur-alligator, were in the second season. Just watch the first season. It's on DVD; every online video I've seen of it has been super trash quality cable TV rerun rips. Jack Gladney posted:That show also had Shatner as a Slavic dictator and Charleton Heston as a guy who turned people into mermaids. Shatner's episode was hilarious because they riffed the Star Trek theme so loving hard every time Shatner was in the room. ThePutty posted:COMEDY OPTION: Shades of Gray - probably the worst and laziest season finale ever created Yeah there was a big writers' strike in 1988. Although more shockingly was that despite how terrible Shades of Gray was, Paramount still wanted to do another clip show episode in the fourth season to save some money. Fortunately the writers pushed back and just did a really cheap bottle episode which was called The Drumhead, which was actually a pretty good episode. ThePutty posted:i don't know how the gently caress michael piller did it, but season 3 of TNG is almost immediately more professional, better directed and better looking from the first episode. even the new uniforms are smarter and more professional than the tight spandex from the very start. it's like they finally figured out what to do with this show after two seasons of not knowing what the gently caress was going on Michael Piller actually didn't take over until the second episode of the third season, but yeah ideally Roddenberry would have quit before TNG actually aired. I wonder who would have gotten creative control in that scenario.
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I don't think Shades of Grey was a writers strike. Paramount was pushing them to shoot a show in three days to save money after they blew it all on Q-Who and Sherlock Holmes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvDw9LRcA7I
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Michael Piller actually didn't take over until the second episode of the third season, but yeah ideally Roddenberry would have quit before TNG actually aired. I wonder who would have gotten creative control in that scenario. Well it was Roddenberry, Berman, Hurley, and Justman. Roddenberry drove Hurley and Justman away and when the studio realized he was senile they put Berman in charge. Piller got the head writer job when Hurley dropped off the writing team to become a consulting producer. He was friends with Hurley so he probably would have ended up on the writing staff at some point I guess
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Michael Piller actually didn't take over until the second episode of the third season, but yeah ideally Roddenberry would have quit before TNG actually aired. I wonder who would have gotten creative control in that scenario. I am glad Roddenberry was there for the preproduction and worldbuilding, though, I feel like his lofty ideas, even though many turned out not that doable, gave TNG an essential flavour. I suspect if it had been done by anyone else it just would've ended up as a kind of generic sci-fi Adventure In Space!
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tactlessbastard posted:Kirk and Spock were always supposed to be Space Aubrey and Space Maturin, so much so they made Picard Space Hornblower to differentiate. i know this is from far back but TOS came out years before the Aubrey and Maturin books.
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huh, i thought the first one came out in the mid-60s, not 1969. it's kirk/spock/bones for the full trifecta. kirk is the decisive leader, spock is the cold reasoning, mccoy is the moral center. together, they form a cohesive unit that solves problems. aubrey is the decisive energetic leader at sea but helpless disaster on land. maturin is his intellectual moral center that gets him out of (or into) trouble. together, they form a dysfunctional unit that causes as many problems as it solves. it's not really a good comparison, but you could make it. Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Jan 10, 2015 |
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ThePutty posted:the survivors owns by the way and after failing like three or four times to make a god species work, they finally managed to do it a whole three episodes into a 26 episode season They didn't make (the) Q work?
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just got to TNG schisms this is the creepy rape table episode right?
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SkaAndScreenplays posted:just got to TNG schisms yeah
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Hipster_Doofus posted:They didn't make (the) Q work? is Q really a god though? i mean they establish that he's from a continuum or whatever so i always assumed they were just highly evolved rather then supernaturally gifted but yeah Q is great, it's just outside of Q they've tried to do god-type poo poo and it always sucked until the survivors. remember the last outpost with that stupid loving wizard
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Q is a stand-in for Gene. Capricious, likes 'sexy dames with gams' and all powerful but peevish about it.
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ThePutty posted:is Q really a god though? i mean they establish that he's from a continuum or whatever so i always assumed they were just highly evolved rather then supernaturally gifted The continuum is not really a god, but their power is such that it's not really a worthy distinction. Kind of like that old saying, "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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Q is at least as much of a god as any of the other god-creatures on Star Trek. I mean they're all generally assumed to be impossibly evolved.
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ThePutty posted:is Q really a god though? i mean they establish that he's from a continuum or whatever so i always assumed they were just highly evolved rather then supernaturally gifted i always got the impression that the Q where stunted on the god-like being scale. most species in star trek when they evolve into a higher tier of existence leave the mortal realm in search of higher understanding. the Q on the other hand are obsessed with the physical world; the the buhhdist sense they are unenlightened because of their material attachment. the Q also see humans future and know they are the kind of species that will eventually get bored with physical reality and evolve into gods of their own to more fully explore existence; in other words they will one day surpass the Q which frightens and annoyed them.
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The Q aren't gods, they're dicks
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Luigi Thirty posted:The Q aren't gods, they're dicks Sounds like God to me... *pulls down fedora and lights a clove*
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I think this was a public access channel show in Canada or something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht_TmEMd4r4
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"Get a life man, come on" - a guy wearing a Star Trek costume sitting in a fake Star Trek set hosting a public access show about Star Trek
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Even Canadian bullies are really polite. I have to believe that he called back to apologize and get his free pass back.
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MikeJF posted:Q is at least as much of a god as any of the other god-creatures on Star Trek. I mean they're all generally assumed to be impossibly evolved. Most of them are retconned in novels to be Q as well anyway.
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I always thought the whole Q being a massive rear end in a top hat thing is just an act and he's actually way more enlightened and he's just testing and provoking humans for their own good because like in nearly every scify humans are amazing and special and have some spark for growth other lesser races don't and are destined for greatness.
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That is quite clearly his agenda. He likes humans but is also scared of them, and wants to make sure humans develop in the right way.
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I'm watching an episode of the 70s Wonder Woman show on that weird over-the-air digital substation everyone has with the old tv shows, and Dukat is on it rocking a Canadian tuxedo and red turtleneck. Also there's a rocking disco score and Wonder Woman can make motorcycles appear. The episode has been on for three minutes.
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i would've liked a show premise like voyager where instead of just wandering around doing star trek poo poo like they were in known space the crew eventually just gives up on going home and they become debauched space pirates flying the ship drunk, randomly blowing up moons out of boredom, finding non-spacefaring races and beaming down in costumes to give weapons to random countries like gods and then watching what happens
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Fabricated posted:i would've liked a show premise like voyager where instead of just wandering around doing star trek poo poo like they were in known space the crew eventually just gives up on going home and they become debauched space pirates So lexx?
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Baronjutter posted:So lexx? Please don't troll this thread.
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Apollodorus posted:That is quite clearly his agenda. He likes humans but is also scared of them, and wants to make sure humans develop in the right way. "That is the exploration that awaits you; not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence." "Q, what is it that you're trying to tell me?" Q leans in to Picard's ear, is about to whisper something, then reconsiders, leans back, and smirks. "...You'll find out."
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ManMythLegend posted:Please don't troll this thread. YO WAY YO
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MikeJF posted:"That is the exploration that awaits you; not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possibilities of existence." this is why Enterprise failed; they replaced Q with Daniels 
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ManMythLegend posted:Please don't troll this thread. Lexx is a television show that was made by sane people and is worth watching.
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