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Defeatist Elitist posted:Exciting developments comrade, take care you don't betray the revolution. Bernstein was pretty explicitly anti-revolutionary. He also just implemented scientific management in this LP.
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Rogue0071 posted:Bernstein was pretty explicitly anti-revolutionary.  My heart.(I actually didn't know who Bernstein was, feeling a little sheepish)
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Sindai posted:Look at that industry score. We barely even slowed the NGF down. Well, we can't really touch them without occupying them fully. All we did by disarming them is harm their army and their bottom line, but because they're Laissez-Faire the bottom line doesn't impact the industry at all.
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Defeatist Elitist posted:
 This guy is not exactly the vanguard of the international revolution. EDIT: If you guys wanted me to wreck NGF, you should have left the warmongering Jingoistic Reactionaries in power and not voted for the Anti-Military Socialist Party.
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Patter Song posted:EDIT: If you guys wanted me to wreck NGF, you should have left the warmongering Jingoistic Reactionaries in power and not voted for the Anti-Military Socialist Party. Or voted to force them to liberate Prussia (hint, hint).
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Patter Song posted:
Huh, I was under the impression that capital was accumulating more with the elite up until ww1
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Huh, I was under the impression that capital was accumulating more with the elite up until ww1 It was. Bernstein's point was that the number of people in the elite was expanding, not shrinking.
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Patter Song posted:It was. Bernstein's point was that the number of people in the elite was expanding, not shrinking. Ah. So  ?
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Chapter X: Socialism, Feminism, and Imperialism? 1895-1900. The third annual Women's Parliament of Munich will come to order! Ladies, as the 20th century dawns it is more of a disgrace than ever that Eduard Bernstein and the Socialist Workers Party, despite their avowed commitment to increasing the ability of all who toil to take part in government, refuse to let us participate. Do we not toil? Are our bodies not mangled by the mills and do we not come home, ghostlike, from our 14 hour shifts on the lines? Do we not leave positions where lecherous overseers poke and prod us to go home to be beaten by an animalistic drunken husband, desperate to assert himself after losing yet another job? The Socialists say they speak for the workingman, well, let them listen to the working woman!  Our government issues predatory loans to countries that cannot possibly pay, then attempts to control them when they inevitably don't pay.  Our government sends over ten thousand of our sons and husbands to a grave in pagan India shooting at rebels to preserve Ludwig's folly.     Then it promptly surrenders vast tracks of India to foreign princelings to avoid a real fight.  Our government turns its back on Greece when its workers had enough.   Allowing the Turks to reconquer the proud workers of Greece.  Our government condemned the people of Haiti for overthrowing a corrupt king because that king had been installed with SGF money.  Our government turns a blind eye as its social-democratic ally, the Netherlands, embarks on a blatantly imperialist adventure.   What have the ladies of SGF been up to?  Training Czech gymnasts...  Who took the gold at the Athens games (I was there, right there in the heart of the Workers Revolution!).  Do the women of SGF not toil in the small restaurants and storefronts?  In the small industries?  In the great publicly traded factories?  Do they not have to suffer the indignity of competing for positions with migrants who will work for nothing?  Yet Eduard ignores our cause and even his own! Rather than sending money to old age pensions so our mothers can live the rest of their lives in dignity, he seeks the North Pole!  No wonder so many of us are moving to Canada.  Or New Zealand.  Are you tired of the social scientists ready to examine your "hysteria?"  Who attribute our righteous anger at our lack of say in public life to our biology?  Who contemptuously roll their eyes when we dare suggest that the trouble is not with ourselves, but with society?  It was Engels who suggested that the first class war was the subjugation of women by men. Until that primordial evil is rectified, how can one hope to address the myriad other social problems in the world?  Women aren't afraid of a little mud on our dresses!  And Mr. Bernstein is so afraid of being put to shame by our hunger strikers that he lets them go!  He kicks our ladies out of classes because they say "If you, sir, is upset" instead of "are,"  So we have to teach our sisters ourselves!  He ignores the op-ed in Forward! encouraging women's suffrage.  He ignores the voters overwhelmingly preferring parties that favor our right to participate and chooses to remain in power.     Instead, he devotes his attention to his navy.    What is it with men and turrets, anyway?    Men get nervous that other men just might have a larger "turret" then they do. And they claim such a ridiculous breed is the dominant sex?   Now that the NGF has turned its attention to naval affairs, Eduard will have to settle for having the second-largest turret in Germany.    Imperialism? Just a turret-measuring contest.   The Dutch fear the Tsar too much to follow through with what they believe is right...do they fear the colossal turrets on the Tsar's naval vessels?   Egypt and Tunisia claim to be modern, but they're no better on women's issues than the rest of the world.  Egypt buries its dead men in a solid gold sarcophagus. No such luck for the ladies!   Other nations reject even the pretense of social progress and retreat into reactionary cuccoons.    Women can handle heavy industry just as well as men, and can even conduct trains, if we were given a chance!  Imperialism dressed up as Socialist hypocrisy is the same whether it comes from Amsterdam, Paris, or Munich.     Men are the same worldwide, greedy warmongering pigs.  Well, the men of Portugal aren't particularly good at being greedy warmongering pigs. They still use wooden ships, have you noticed the tiny turrets on those Portuguese frigates?  Sisters, the time to end the folly of men is here. Even Portugal has banned slavery, leaving Brazil and Colombia as the world's last two holdouts on this front. Women have been leaders in the Abolitionist movement since it was founded, let us take it home!  Have you ever noticed that sometimes Socialist unions are the most macho and misogynist of all?  And now our husbands get to vote in two houses that Bernstein will ignore instead of one.   The French Pacifists wouldn't lead the struggle against us, leaving the negotiations in the hands of the Spaniards. Bernstein pretends to love peace, but he clearly relished in the opportunity to humiliate these powers.  The victories had high-profile coverage, the defeats ignored.  So much for "we'll be in Rome by Christmas." It took Sicilian soldiers marching into Rome after its defenders inexplicably left to bring down the Italians.   Did any of your husbands come home from the war flexing and boasting of slaughtering the French? The ill-trained conscripts, scared teenagers sent against our hardened soldier class? Men and their boasting.   Even America is scared of the Tsar.  Is there anything more pathetic than Spain's vast oversized yet decades-out-of-date army which seems to exist solely to crush revolts in the Philippines?   So much for "peace without annexations or indemnities."  Bernstein's just as much of an imperialist as the rest.  What? We have controlled Alsace for literally two weeks and it's already pacified? It felt like years.  The fact remains that Eduard Bernstein, despite his Socialist pretensions, runs the most backwards and reactionary regime west of Russia. Men cannot change that, but we can, sisters! The 20th century shall be remembered as the women's century. SGF's Economy  Demographics (Check out Ideology! The Socialists are not popular at all)  Great Power Rankings  Technology      The World, 1900 
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drat those women. Whenever I get to the point where they get uppity about their rights, I feel like I'm either heading for a Jacobin death spiral or a liberal-led economic disaster. Maybe only a permanent pacifist socialist democracy if I get lucky.
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I don't think I've ever noticed how silly it is that Rhetoric of Hate makes military hospitals better.
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To be fair the sufragette will continue to nag on you until you cave in. It is one of those non-choices you have to take if only to stop their events from happening every other week.
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TheMcD posted:drat those women. Whenever I get to the point where they get uppity about their rights, I feel like I'm either heading for a Jacobin death spiral or a liberal-led economic disaster. Maybe only a permanent pacifist socialist democracy if I get lucky. Check out my ideology. If they don't get the vote soon I'll be like 80% Liberal. Proportional Upper House should make it easier to get them the vote, though, and I'm eager to do that because seriously, screw the Suffrage event chain. It's not like I actually care who wins the election, I'll just throw them out and put in who I/we want, vote all you like ladies! (Is it obvious yet that monarchy is just a tad overpowered?) VOTE Two issues. Eduard Bernstein's tenure has had mixed results. Our population has grown by leaps and bounds, our ranking in the world seems set at 5, surpassing Tsarist Russia for good, and our navy is stronger than ever (because before this it was nonexistent). However, his anti-military policies have led to our reserves being depleted...no one knows if, when a SGF soldier dies, another will take his place. A. Preserve the Socialists B. Let the voters decide. C. Return the Reactionaries. Each choice is fraught with peril. France will never forgive us for the loss of Alsace, and it's an open question whether we can hold our own against France and Russia at the same time, especially with our cousins to the North eyeing us vengefully. However, a return to the Reactionary policies of old will infuriate our minorities. Furthermore, with Weighted Universal suffrage in place, everyone has a say if we let the voters decide, and the will of the public is swinging Liberal. Can we survive the horrors of Lassiez-Faire economics? Second issue. Britain has shown signs of desiring a warming of relations, and is willing to set aside the loss of India and join us in alliance. They are still allies with the NGF, and their course of action if NGF attacks us would be unclear (they could join them, us, or stay out of it). Alternately, we could use our strong ties with Russia to attempt to bring them into alliance in hopes that they will sit out any future wars with France. Finally, we could seek an Asian ally, Japan or even China, as a possible counterbalance to Russia. 1. Seek alliance with Britain. 2. Seek alliance with Russia. 3. Seek alliance with Japan. 4. Seek alliance with China. 5. What do we need more allies for, we have the Dutch!
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Stay the course. Socialism uber alles. Solve the resulting manpower problem by allying with the vast hordes of China and Russia.
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Jan 31, 2014 01:58
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A2: Keep socialism. Ally with Russia.
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B2. Let the dice fly.
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The NGF industrial score is worrying.... I love that Bolivia lost the Pacific wars and decided 'screw this, we'll get a port on the Atlantic instead' and beat up on Argentina.
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A2. The most Japan or China could do from the other side of Eurasia is distract Russia.
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B2 The time for reactionary politics has passed.
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A2 because I don't hate Patter Song.
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A2, hasn't Patter Song suffered enough?
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A2, yeah he's probably suffered enough.
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One of the most amazing things about V2 is that constitutional monarchy lets me get away with treating elections as though they were suggestions. I've been pulling a "Wilhelm dismisses Bismarck" every election. It's like someone read about King George III firing the Fox-North Coalition and sticking Pitt the Younger in and thinking that constitutional monarchs could get away with that throughout the 19th/early 20th centuries.
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B5. If you ain't Dutch, you ain't much.
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No opinion on A-B-C, but voting 5 since the Netherlands borders NGF and France and could aid us in both potential wars. (Russia would have been my second choice for an ally; if the NGF declared on us while we're busy with France then at least they'd have to fight a two-front war too.)
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Akratic Method posted:No opinion on A-B-C, but voting 5 since the Netherlands borders NGF and France and could aid us in both potential wars. We're not ditching the Netherlands, after 1890 you can have multiple Great Power allies.
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The secret of foreign policy is to make a good treaty with the Russians. And if we're going to bother about elections we might as well let them matter. B2.
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C5, this "socialism" thing has run its course and we don't need any allies.
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B-6. Ally with anyone and everyone who'll take you.
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C It has gotten quite obvious that this "socialism" has done nothing but create dissenting opinions. If we give the people a finger they'll want the whole hand. Now women wants to vote? Preposterous. 2 The British has been allied to the North for longer than us and are quite unreliable as allies goes.
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B1, in my experience with V2 the British are actually smart enough to get their troops from Britain to Europe, unlike certain other Paradox games I've been traumatized by, and they're well-placed to gently caress up both France and the NGF.
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