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Titan
Jan 14, 2002

nooneofconsequence posted:

Fiona's bad decisions are frustrating and depressing.

Kev and V's bad decisions are fun and hilarious.

The highlight for me this season so far was Kevin running around telling everyone he has a magic cock.

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Med School
Feb 27, 2012

Where did you learn how to do that?
Franks first interaction with his grandson was to pay someone to punch him in the face.

Also I was so relieved that the only thing Carl did when he pulled out the knife was cut the dogs leash. :staredog:

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL
I paused it to read the intro to Lip's paper. It was pretty alright. This season seems to be suffering because a lot of what made Shameless great was the interactions between the family and their friends and now everyone's got their own separate stories and the show's introducing new characters.

Last season was so good too. Hard to live up to that.

Jack Skeleton
Dec 7, 2006

cheese and crackers posted:

He might not want to risk it at this point. Getting caught with some drugs as a minor - no big deal. Get caught as an adult in school not only do you go to jail (or get probation / community service) but you get expelled from school which would suck quite a lot of dick.



The thing is, even without drugs, Lip had a lot of rackets on the side that, while were beyond the boarder morally and ethically wrong, weren't going to land him in jail. Such as fooling those kids about the concert and doing others work and what not.

It seems that they completely overlook the fact that they've shown us Lip being able to handle these hurdles. So if they want us to believe he's just not making the grade here, it's got to be shown a bit better. Cause what we see is pretty much chump change.

smg77
Apr 27, 2007
I think the root of Lip's problems is that he can't sleep because his horrible roommate is constantly having sex in their room.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact
There's a huge element to the Lip issue that this thread is missing: his family. Lip is struggling in school because he lacks motivation due to missing his family. You saw that in his phone call home when things were going badly. He kept asking whether they needed anything and the look on his face when he figured out he wasn't needed was clear sadness.

The previews for this week's episode seem to support this theory. I think he'll have a major turn around in like one or two episodes.

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

Gaunab posted:

I paused it to read the intro to Lip's paper. It was pretty alright

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who did this... :spergin:

nooneofconsequence
Oct 30, 2012

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

Okay Carl's cool in my book now.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Kevin telling Lip to man the gently caress up was so refreshing. I want to see more of that, because it's paying off. Also yeah, Carl is loving nuts. And I'm really disliking Debbie/Fiona this season. Seriously, the both of them are so loving dumb, weird, and awkward to a point where it's annoying.

Jack Skeleton
Dec 7, 2006
Yeah, I liked Lip's story finally getting better. But man, Fionna's is getting worse and worse as it progresses.

Tom Brady
Oct 17, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Titan posted:

The highlight for me this season so far was Kevin running around telling everyone he has a magic cock.

This is the only time I've laughed at this season so far, i'm about half way through the third episode now.

Did this show used to be more focused on comedy or am I misremembering it? Now it just seems more hosed up than funny

E: haha Frank's reaction to the youtube remark

Tom Brady fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Feb 3, 2014

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

Conquistador posted:

This is the only time I've laughed at this season so far, i'm about half way through the third episode now.

Did this show used to be more focused on comedy or am I misremembering it? Now it just seems more hosed up than funny

E: haha Frank's reaction to the youtube remark

There are a lot of jokes and scenes this season that the girls I watch it with laugh at more than the dudes. Maybe there's a correlation there.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.
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I thought Debs walking into the Milkovich's denful of angry Russian hookers and innocently going "so...is Mandy home? :)" was pretty great. Carl's method of breaking Frank's leg was awesome.

Mickey's storyline has been equal parts fun and interesting so far, I like that he's getting more screen time. He's such a likable shithead.

e: realized I said "pretty great" three times. :downs:

QuickbreathFinisher fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Feb 3, 2014

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

merk posted:

There's a huge element to the Lip issue that this thread is missing: his family. Lip is struggling in school because he lacks motivation due to missing his family. You saw that in his phone call home when things were going badly. He kept asking whether they needed anything and the look on his face when he figured out he wasn't needed was clear sadness.

The previews for this week's episode seem to support this theory. I think he'll have a major turn around in like one or two episodes.

...and it was one episode.

Med School
Feb 27, 2012

Where did you learn how to do that?
So many quotes I don't even know where to start...

"I don't know what you're saying! Don't worry we'll get a dick in you soon as we can!"

Edited because sometimes I forget to type words that go in sentences so you can read them right...

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL
This was a better episode. Kev's reaction to Lip was nice since people were complaining about his story. Glad that Matt wasn't a creep or pedophile or gay just a nice guy that likes Debbie (even though a 20 year old hanging with a 13 year old is probably questionable). Fiona's story is dragging though.

ProphetX
Jun 30, 2004
So I have been re-watching from Season One as well as keeping up with this season, and I don't understand how in the first few season time and time again Debbie accepts Frank and later Monica's behavior. I understand she is young as well as the fact that she is supposed to be the kind hearted one out of the Gallagher clan. But it is really a flimsy issue. I just find it hard to believe that no matter how much you love someone or care that you could keep putting up with all that poo poo, though I know even she eventually gets sick of it

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

ProphetX posted:

So I have been re-watching from Season One as well as keeping up with this season, and I don't understand how in the first few season time and time again Debbie accepts Frank and later Monica's behavior. I understand she is young as well as the fact that she is supposed to be the kind hearted one out of the Gallagher clan. But it is really a flimsy issue. I just find it hard to believe that no matter how much you love someone or care that you could keep putting up with all that poo poo, though I know even she eventually gets sick of it

Well then you haven't seen anywhere close enough kids with lovely parents...plus you see all of the kids forgive their parents once or twice during the course of the series only to get hosed over by them again. I mean Carl still hangs out with Frank constantly.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

ProphetX posted:

So I have been re-watching from Season One as well as keeping up with this season, and I don't understand how in the first few season time and time again Debbie accepts Frank and later Monica's behavior. I understand she is young as well as the fact that she is supposed to be the kind hearted one out of the Gallagher clan. But it is really a flimsy issue. I just find it hard to believe that no matter how much you love someone or care that you could keep putting up with all that poo poo, though I know even she eventually gets sick of it

Haha, you clearly don't know how normal people behave when they're raised in some damaging environments.

They become not normal in a lot of ways. Their sense of normal shifts significantly and it can really gently caress people up for life. If they're really lucky it only fucks them up until they leave that environment.

ProphetX
Jun 30, 2004
That is fair and I guess I can relate seeing as I spent 10mths in a very physically abusive relation. I constantly came up with excuses in my mind as to why I should stay in it. Though I will openly admit that I don't have experience going through the whole lovely parents thing.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

ProphetX posted:

That is fair and I guess I can relate seeing as I spent 10mths in a very physically abusive relation. I constantly came up with excuses in my mind as to why I should stay in it. Though I will openly admit that I don't have experience going through the whole lovely parents thing.

And you were probably an *adult* in that relationship, so imagine how a little kid is supposed to react. On top of that, kids brains literally don't work the same as grown up brains.

ProphetX
Jun 30, 2004
Yeah I am in my 30s so that is a good point.

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents
I don't understand why Fiona is getting so much poo poo here. I mean yeah, she's loving things up with her boyfriend by loving the brother but who cares, that affects noone else in the family but herself. It's stupid to date your boss and all but it's clearly the bosses job to not let the two situations get mixed up, not hers. It was ridiculous that he made such a big deal out of her lying about the car as well. A first reaction should maybe have been "I saw someone attacked you, are you ok?" no matter if he was her boss or boyfriend. Either way, she got put in a lovely situation because she was clearly lying to try to save her job (even though she didn't do much if anything wrong in the first place), but it got turned into her lying to her boyfriend too.

And after everything she's done for the family, I think she deserves a little bit of success herself, especially when that success comes in the form of working her rear end off to pay for things like food for the kids. It's not like she wasn't working a lot before, she just has nicer clothes and more regular hours now.

What I'm saying is Fiona is awesome and I will not have you all badmouthing her.

Season 4 Debbie can take a boatride with JimmySteve for all I care though.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
It's just Fiona was starting to really shape up and do good for herself. :(

Everyone's angry because they just wanted her to treat herself well.

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

The Mash posted:

Season 4 Debbie can take a boatride with JimmySteve for all I care though.

I think her awful choice in making her few friends as well as Fiona (and her father, mother, and two older brothers) not being there for her when she is entering adolescence is at fault for that...I don't think she's a bad person now but I agree it really isn't enjoyable to watch. She still seems like the same old Debs when she's around her adult boyfriend for example (compared to how she has been acting around her family/friends) but is obviously just really confused about herself and what she is doing. It is also really dumb that they haven't showed Ian and what he's been doing yet Showtime has made an official loving tumblr page which has explained what he's up to in blog form...even if there is an off-camera reason for that (ie. filming conflict) it's still stupid.

I do like how it takes me a few seconds to remember what JimmySteve's real name was.

Mariana Horchata fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Feb 4, 2014

nooneofconsequence
Oct 30, 2012

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

Here's my biggest problem with Fionas's storyline: It's boring and predictable.

Looten Plunder
Jul 11, 2006
Grimey Drawer
I just want ONE crazy family breakfast/dinner scene with 90% of the cast present. They used to do that every second episode (if not every episode) and the machine-gun dialog and chaos is my favourite part of the show.

Mahlertov Cocktail
Mar 1, 2010

I ate your Mahler avatar! Hahahaha!
God that scene when Frank accidentally tells Sammy that she's his daughter is amazing. He's all indignant at god while simultaneously loving up for the millionth time and his lies all come crashing down in the funniest way possible. Fantastic.

(even if she comes back since she's cut from the same cloth)

Mahlertov Cocktail fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Feb 5, 2014

Tom Brady
Oct 17, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

nooneofconsequence posted:

Here's my biggest problem with Fionas's storyline: It's boring and predictable.

Thats my problem too. Plus, I know its Shameless but I kinda want to see things going right for people for once

BSam
Nov 24, 2012

Mahlertov Cocktail posted:

God that scene when Frank accidentally tells Sammy that she's his daughter is amazing. He's all indignant at god while simultaneously loving up for the millionth time and his lies all come crashing down in the funniest way possible. Fantastic.

(even if she comes back since she's cut from the same cloth)

I'm glad she came back. There was anger for a bit, and rightly so. But family. It was a nice moment.

(up until the final shot, hah brilliantly terrible)

nooneofconsequence
Oct 30, 2012

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

I'm pretty sure she came back to try and scam Frank out of the insurance money.

Mahlertov Cocktail
Mar 1, 2010

I ate your Mahler avatar! Hahahaha!

nooneofconsequence posted:

I'm pretty sure she came back to try and scam Frank out of the insurance money.

Like I said, cut from the same cloth. She's got another thing coming if she thinks she'll manage to get a cent out of Frank, though.

fake edit: not trying to compliment Frank's frugality here

frontyardninja
Nov 5, 2005

I feel retarded. I thought the actress playing Samantha was the same one that plays The Waitress on Sunny in Philly. Nah, it's Sammy's horrible wife from Southland.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact
The Gallaghers have been out-Gallaghered before. She might have a shot.

BreakAtmo
May 16, 2009

frontyardninja posted:

I feel retarded. I thought the actress playing Samantha was the same one that plays The Waitress on Sunny in Philly. Nah, it's Sammy's horrible wife from Southland.

Also the lead from The Rage: Carrie 2 :v:

The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents

merk posted:

The Gallaghers have been out-Gallaghered before. She might have a shot.

I think for me the worst moment in the series was Monica using their squirrel fund on her useless poo poo and half-baked ideas. God I was furious while watching that whole episode.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Where has Liam been this season? Does Ms. Cusack take care of him?

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Everyone seems to take turns babysitting him.

Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice

The Mash posted:

I think for me the worst moment in the series was Monica using their squirrel fund on her useless poo poo and half-baked ideas. God I was furious while watching that whole episode.

Yeah and she still didn't even get Frank the ketamine that he asked for specifically from their local drug dealer.

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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Wayside Bazaar posted:

I think her awful choice in making her few friends as well as Fiona (and her father, mother, and two older brothers) not being there for her when she is entering adolescence is at fault for that...I don't think she's a bad person now but I agree it really isn't enjoyable to watch. She still seems like the same old Debs when she's around her adult boyfriend for example (compared to how she has been acting around her family/friends) but is obviously just really confused about herself and what she is doing.

Debs' storyline this year is sort've weird since you really need the full series context (and it would probably even help if it were fresh in your memory) in order for it to really click. I watched enough of the marathon that aired a few weeks before this season started to be reminded of what a sweetheart she is, so she still has a lot of good will built up in my book. But yeah, if you just look at it in the context of this season it looks more like she is being a dumb poo poo head than that she is struggling with growing up, half her family abandoning her, and general naivety. Even so, her scene with Fiona this past episode helped a lot to re-humanize her, hopefully there is more stuff like that in the coming weeks.

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