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Hey guys, [EDIT: Added the links to each episode in the OP] Wanted to ask some opinions of the trailer for the webseries Metalhedz that we've just cut. I originally posted about this show back in 2012, and goons with archives will see that there were quite a few problems with the original cut of the pilot (which has since been taken down) Well, we took the advice to heart and slaved away for a full year, had several cast changes, 3 re-writes and managed to get together a stellar bunch of crew, who have added no end of production quality to the final result. So here it goes: Original Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvPLV4SoApw Episode 1: Intervention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Av41aALnv0 Episode 2: Party Hard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp_wJq0tM2s Episode 3: Nookie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFxRRWiudPA Episode 4: Girls, Girls, Girls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZVU9oo_SLI Episode 5: Dude Looks Like a Lady https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJnc0giNv3Y Episode 6: Redefine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RokAe5xvVNI Episode 7: Make a Move https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YqKLpBPAFY Also as a bonus, here's the Blooper reel! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC8k4ym6kWg What I need from you guys How does this come across? The original pilot came across as being unclear, dull looking, and lacking in clear direction. Hopefully this is better, but I'd really like to know what people think. Does it look funny? Does it look cheap or half decent (considering we had zero budget) Do the characters clearly come across? Does this trailer make sense? and the most important question: On the basis of this trailer, would you actually watch it, and potentially recommend it? We've still got 2 months to iron out any final kinks, and several planned days during then for potential pick-up/re-shoots, so any info you can give will be not only greatly received but likely implemented! kizeesh fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Apr 6, 2014 |
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Hey folks. Sorry to bump the thread, but in case people are interested, the show is now live! Episode 1: Intervention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Av41aALnv0 Again, FEEDBACK would be great!! We've had a little in terms of response to the trailer, but a couple of notes on the episode's production, mentioned such things as the lack of background-lighting on some shots. But we could use some feedback on the overall look, the style, the plot and characters, how does it come across? One sticking point seems to be the final joke, which is pretty dark. Some people have a big problem with it. Others get that the comedy is not being made about the 'controversial' topic, but rather the misunderstanding of the other person. (being vague to avoid spoiling the impact of 1st time response) Again, we'd really would love to know what people think. The feedback from the old pilot back in 2012 made us step the game up considerably, so we genuinely are listening and really want to know what we can do better. Especially folks who originally commented back in 2012, how do you feel we've improved? thanks guys.
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I remember this, I gave you a lot of feedback in 2012 on your pilot back when you first posted it. You've technically improved although as it seems others have pointed out, you're not quite there yet. But definitely an improvement and I would say acceptable for a youtube show. Most of the jokes just plain fall flat. The one I did laugh at was the "she was funny" smash cut at 5:28-ish. Trying to repeat it again immediately just plain didn't work, at all. None of the characters are particularly likeable. I get that you're trying to show them as flawed and have them grow throughout the series but they are completely unlikeable now. You've got two jerk misogynists, a whiny girl whose only trait is "nice" and a girl who basically exists and has the second worst line in the video (cock/shot). The short-haired fellow was too smug and not in an endearing way. Also the date rape joke sucked, sorry. When you make an offensive joke, it's important to be aware of who or what is the butt of the joke. The acting is unnatural and flat. It's high school play level. I don't know if your actors are bad, it seems like nobody was directing them. Not expressive enough and the dialogue feels forced. It sounds forced too, which may be a writing problem. Also I'm sorry but the lead girl's lisp is just plain distracting to me. Biggest problem is nothing happens, at all. Just like last time, it's a bunch of people sitting around talking. Acting requires action, action requires a plot. Jokes require a plot. The characters' personalities and the dialogue aren't good enough to carry it on their own. What's your story? Like, what's the long game? I want to know in your next post what THINGS are going to happen to these characters to make this an actual story. Also I know you're really set on this metalhead thing but it's really not working. If you're trying to be sincere, you missed that boat by at least a decade. If you're trying to be ironic, you're not pulling it off. Look, there is no way I'm buying a guy in a nightmare before christmas shirt as sploosh-level hot unless I'm supposed to be laughing at her for finding him hot and laughing at him for looking like an idiot in 1998, let alone 2014, but it really looks like you're being genuine. I honestly think you should take this as a learning experience and start over with a new project, and start at the character level. Give them interesting and individual traits, make them likeable but flawed in a relate-able way, then create interesting and unusual (both are extremely important) situations to put them in, and figure out from there what they would do or say, and think of funny things that could happen in those situations, and your dialogue and jokes will flourish naturally before anybody gets behind a camera. Honestly I think you and your team are not incompetent, but this is really not working. I don't think you should quit, in fact you've gotten much better since the last time around and I'm happy to see you all improving, but this is just not working. A fresh start could give you some much needed perspective. I hope you take this as a positive criticism overall, even though I know I'm being negative.
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Feb 24, 2014 01:05
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Hey man, yes I remember you weren't exactly overflowing with positivity the last time either!  It's cool. Criticism is important, and we really do appreciate it, and the feedback from last time led to a complete ground up rewrite and rethink. Hence the ditching of the character of 'nice-guy' Ry and him being replaced with Tails, and the removal of the Bones character. The Show Do remember that this is shot entirely on a shoestring budget, and in spare time, entirely on location. Not an excuse, but we're not a huge funded show with a giant crew and corporate funding. I understand your reservations for the continuing oncept of the show considering your feelings. But, we won't be giving up on the idea of Metalhedz, principally because the entire series is already shot, edited and prepped for release. Episodes will be going up weekly, and the plot is ongoing throughout the series, rather than in a contained episodic structure. The narrative is series spanning, which in a series of 7 8-minute episodes, isn't a huge ask for an audience to follow the characters (assuming they like them, which apparently some people do, we've got a lot of good feedback regarding the character of Tails especially) story/plot/action You asked "What's your story? Like, what's the long game? I want to know in your next post what THINGS are going to happen to these characters to make this an actual story." As I said, it's an over-arching plot. All of the narrative threads have been laid out in that first episode. It's a comedy-drama about the love lives of these characters. Ginge is after Chloe (the girl on his mind) Tails wants Beki, (and vice versa) but neither of them is willing to move out of their friendship comfort zone, with the 'hot guy' thrown into that mix. Skull is largely comic relief. Actually if you head to the youtube channel main page http://www.youtube.com/user/MetalhedzTV There are short videos about all of the characters and their story arcs. You also mentioned that you felt nothing is happening, but this is essentially a dialogue-based show, with some other moments. It's about character and interaction rather than comedy situations and pratfalls. That much unfortunately has to be taken as a given. Although it's not unheard of. Let's face it, (and I'm not comparing qualitatively) but the first season of The Guild is 90% just talking heads looking directly at a camera. In terms of plot and change, there are two episodes which take place at a house party, two on a drunken night out and there are a host of things happening. (I'm trying to avoid spoilers, considering it's a short show, but THINGS do happen) I'm just not entirely clear on what you expected. Please, let me know! Style I am a little mystified by your comment about the Nightmare Before Xmas T-shirt. Was that really so shocking? It's not all that an uncommon sight in Scotland in the alt scene... Usually seen on women tbh, but that was part of the joke, as we wanted him to seem a little hipster-like, and not overtly masculine. Also Andrew isn't an ugly chap, he is conventionally attractive, is it so unrealistic she might find him as such? Genuinely curious there. Acting Some of the performances aren't the best, I'll hold my hands up to that. Partly due to lack of acting experience on some parts, on others due to the limitations of filming at snatched days during difficult conditions, and also some lack of direction. We accept that. But the cast is the cast for this season, so nothing can be done about that now. p.s. we are planning and scripting season two currently. Don't be cross with us Characters Interesting take on the characters, we did originally have a reworking of the original pilot, which we ditched for various reasons (actor illness and a sound issue prevented us getting it fixed in pick-ups) Also because essentially all of the relevant plot threads are in this episode as well, and the pilot still felt like "meet the heroes". But as a result you're coming into what would have been episode 2, and as such you get no cushioning for the 'lads being lads, down the pub' so I can see why you'd think they were simply misogynists. Skull, IS a misogynist, but he's also the comic relief and the whipping boy of the series. There is even a line in that episode directly stating that "No-one in their right mind would take him seriously" Which we meant as an indication to the audience that not even the characters agree with 99% of what he says and does. Ginge, isn't a misogynist, at least not in a literal sense. He's just a womanising prick who shares laddish jokes with his mates. There are moments later in the season where you see he doesn't actually like how far Skull takes such things, but that's still to come. Tails, well, odd that you say, she's just nice. She's by far the favourite character according to all the feedback we have, and she's the reason most people want to keep watching. She's an introverted geek, who is quite evidently borderline aspergers, and very insecure. She possibly comes across as whiny, but hopefully this will mellow out over the episodes. Beki, unfortunately is somewhat sidelined by some plot cuts, and by the actress unfortunately being ill a lot during the shoot. Meaning we only had the shots we got for her, and no more. She does have a character, and a dynamic in the group, it just really isn't served well in this particular episode. Humour-wise Well, that's all quite subjective. There are a couple of lines we could maybe have timed better in the edit, and we're not saying it's perfect, far from it, but it is what it is, and it's shot already. The date rape line is the BIG yes/no for a lot of folks. As the joke isn't really supposed to be what Skull says, but the fact that Tails interprets his sick humour as something completely different. Again, some folks said they thought it was clever and funny. Others that it was tasteless and offensive. I hope that clears up some of where we were coming from, and I'd be interested for your further thoughts. Also I do hope you'll be just as frank with the rest of the series as it airs. thanks!
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Just to let folks know Episode 2: Party Hard is online now. You can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp_wJq0tM2s Again, we would love feedback on the episode, and the continuing narrative and characters! Don't hold back. I really appreciate it.
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Feb 28, 2014 18:14
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That's episode 3: Nookie up now Find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFxRRWiudPA We really would appreciate any feedback guys, episodes 2 and 3 were essentially two halves of the same party story. So if you would like to give further feedback on the two as a whole, then that would be great. Do you feel the series is improving? The style, characterisation and comedy? Are you at all invested in the characters? Is that getting better or worse? Thanks
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This wasn't as bad as I expected (I watched the trailer when you first put it up, wrote a long response, and accidentally closed my browser), but it was still bad. I think almost any sitcom I have ever watched, the pilot wasn't ever very funny. Usually you get attached to a character or the premise, which is what makes you stick around for the second episode, and it gets funny from there. Your ginger character is completely miscast. I am a straight guy, but I can tell he is not a guy that successfully pulls girls all the time. His face looks weird, and I only know he's the way he is because other characters say he is. He doesn't project that image at all. The gay character, Tails, wearing a tails shirt  I kind of liked following her storyline, she was the most sympathetic of the characters, but I'll say more about her in a minute.The long-haired buffoon guy is just awful in every way. In the third episode when he's slapping himself on the rear end is just cringey and not funny whatsoever. Nothing he does ever makes sense, and I have no sense of his character at all. The metalhead theme you are going for IS NOT WORKING. I agree with all the criticism of it from previous posts, like the Nightmare Before Christmas shirt etc. I was briefly, from ages like 15-19 really into metal, so I should be able to appreciate this setting, but I can't. I don't listen to metal at all anymore and I don't follow the scene, but I saw the "Wacken 2005" shirt and knew what it was, I recognized some bands, etc. But you are just doing a random mismash of metal, Hot Topic fashion, skater style, oldschool rock, it just makes no sense to me at all. Tails looks like a skater girl from 2003. Ginger looks like a normal guy, but for some reason he has eyeshadow on. He wears weird boots sometimes, button-up shirts that nerds wear (with those stupid swirls on them that you have on your logo), and nothing he does makes him seem into metal, at all. The longhair character looks the most like an actual metalhead, but again he acts totally random and isn't funny and never says anything of merit. The idea of a douchey guy who meets a girl that he wants to be more than a random hookup with, who is friends with a gay girl that doesn't know how to meet girls is not bad. The "metalhead" thing feels like--at best--a random aesthetic that adds nothing to the premise, and at worst it gets in the way and clashes with the characters you have set up. No one into metal is going to be drawn to this because it really has no connection to metal at all, and people who aren't into metal are certainly not going to see the appeal of your premise. The acting was really bad at places, but it was okay in others. I am not a huge critic of acting; as long as I can't tell they are acting I don't notice it. I really am confounded that you went with this metalhedz (and why with a 'z'???) premise.
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My main issue is the episodic release schedule. It seems artificial: you don't have a studio breathing down your neck, and you certainly don't need to sell x blocks of ad space. Why not release the entire series at once when it's all ready? If I like the pilot, but I have to wait a week for the second episode, I might forget about it. If it's all there, I might just keep watching it out of inertia and curiosity. As it is, you need major hooks to bridge the time between episodes to keep your audience engaged. Unfortunately you don't have those hooks. I'm very surprised your view count seems to be kinda stable episode to episode. I would expect it to drop more precipitously. As for the content it just doesn't appeal to me. The metalhead theme seems tacked on, and visually the characters look more like goth club kids or vampire LARPers. I would like these characters more if they had a more natural feeling association that binds them together. Right now the story just seems like several fuckquests and I don't care about the characters enough to want to follow along to see if they succeed or not.
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Mar 9, 2014 05:00
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The lesbian character probably says "and people wonder why I'm gay" in response to the other characters like every episode. It's not that funny the first time she says it, and it gets old fast.
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systran posted:This wasn't as bad as I expected ... but it was still bad. Absolutely. It's sort of our hope that people will stick with the show and care about the characters. You found issues and that's fair enough. everyone's take on it is valid. I'm going to avoid the tired track of saying "well some people liked it..". Because, well, that's kinda beside the point. I'll try to give some thoughts on your views. quote:Your ginger character is completely miscast. I am a straight guy, but I can tell he is not a guy that successfully pulls girls all the time. His face looks weird, and I only know he's the way he is because other characters say he is. He doesn't project that image at all. Ginge: Ironically, the ginger guy has gotten laid more than pretty much any other bloke I've ever met. I'm not kissing his rear end here, it's just a fact, he used to be a total manwhore. so while he perhaps isn't classically hollywood handsome, he's not a CHUD or anything! So perhaps we should have done with a little more show rather than tell with the womanising aspect of his personality. That's something we should maybe have considered. It does feature later in the series, but it's possibly too late by that point. Tails: I'm not sure why you are sad she wears a Tails T-shirt. It was meant as a wee joke. Skull: He is the buffoon of the group, and is mainly there for comic effect. He's supposed to be cringey and ridiculous but, humour is pretty personal and subjective, so it didn't work for you. That's fair. I'm surprised his character isn't obvious though, he's a dirty, pervy rear end in a top hat. Everyone usually has at least one guy like him in their group of mates(at least in the Scottish alternative scene, it usually seems to be the case) He's the loud obnoxious one who comes out with inappropriate jokes and is usually a dick. That's pretty much his character. quote:The metalhead theme you are going for IS NOT WORKING ... I recognized some bands, etc. But you are just doing a random mismash of metal, Hot Topic fashion, skater style, oldschool rock, it just makes no sense to me at all. That's the idea, each one of them is dressed in a particular style of alt/rock/metal styles. It makes it easy to tell them apart, which was one of the major complaints against the original pilot. Everyone looked too similar and were all dressed in black. So, we're pretty much damned whatever we do there. quote:The "metalhead" thing feels like--at best--a random aesthetic that adds nothing to the premise, and at worst it gets in the way and clashes with the characters you have set up. This is one of the points we've seen come up from a few areas, so you're not alone in this. It really seems to depend what people expect from the show. The byline of the series is "The Alternative Crowd really aren't all that different". Which was our plan. It's not a show looking at metalheads and rockers and saying: look at the silly people, lets mock them and their ways a'la the sort of humour in Big Bang Theory, which is essentially mocking nerds while pretending they are the heroes. We utterly wanted to avoid that, instead this is more like the Inbetweeners, which is about a bunch of high school boys, but spends almost no time focused on schoolwork. In the end, it's a fine line, too many references or jokes specifically about metal and you put off or alienate other viewers. We felt that showing the lifestyles and using it as an aesthetic should have been enough. (Considering half the cast are metalheads anyway, and it was written by one, it's not like it's inaccurate to the scene.) quote:The acting was really bad at places, but it was okay in others. I am not a huge critic of acting; as long as I can't tell they are acting I don't notice it. I really am confounded that you went with this metalhedz (and why with a 'z'???) premise. As I said, we went with metalheads because it's a scene we are a part of, and so we wrote about it. True the characters are not specifically metalheads only, but metalhedz was a better title than Alternativez! So there you go. As to the spelling, brand recognition, we needed the name to stick out and be unique on google. I hate to pull the marketing card but.. there you go!
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Jalumibnkrayal posted:My main issue is the episodic release schedule. It seems artificial: you don't have a studio breathing down your neck, and you certainly don't need to sell x blocks of ad space. Why not release the entire series at once when it's all ready? If I like the pilot, but I have to wait a week for the second episode, I might forget about it. If it's all there, I might just keep watching it out of inertia and curiosity. As it is, you need major hooks to bridge the time between episodes to keep your audience engaged. Unfortunately you don't have those hooks. I'm very surprised your view count seems to be kinda stable episode to episode. I would expect it to drop more precipitously. That's a really interesting point, and one we actually debated a lot during production and the planning before release. It kinda comes down to a slightly dull marketingy reason (My inner Bill Hicks fan is starting to hate me now) There are cogent arguments for both sides in this, so ultimately we went with the one that suited us, and suggested the best audience response. Essentially, if you put the show up in one go, then you have only one single point of promotion, aside from the initial trailer. With a staggered release you do actually whet audience anticipation. It also means you have a full week between each episode to potentially garner new viewers. Say that one viewer saw a tweet or link and watches, then thinks "meh", if they a fortnight later see another link for a new episode they might be stirred to check that one out, simply due to curiosity, the "Is THAT show still on?" mentality. If they do, then there's a chance they might enjoy that episode more, then go back and watch the shows they missed, or continue from that point. As to hooks and inter-episode audience retention, each of the characters actually has a twitter account and they interact with each other weekly between the episodes. e.g. at the end of the first episode Tails is seen on her phone, so when it aired, a tweet went up on her account that pertained to what was happening in the show. The twitter accounts are all easy to find on the website https://www.metalhedz.co.uk (which is featured in the credits) Our hope is that people continue to watch because they are interested in the characters and their stories though. quote:As for the content it just doesn't appeal to me. The metalhead theme seems tacked on, and visually the characters look more like goth club kids or vampire LARPers. I would like these characters more if they had a more natural feeling association that binds them together. Right now the story just seems like several fuckquests and I don't care about the characters enough to want to follow along to see if they succeed or not. That's fair. You don't like the characters then, the show probably isn't for you. It may be simply my perception, (I didn't write the show btw) but friend groups like this are pretty normal to me. Most of my mates are from all different scenes and musical tastes. Also at the end of the day, it depends what you expected going in. Out of curiosity, I'd love to know what that was. What did you expect honestly? Magnus Gallant posted:The lesbian character probably says "and people wonder why I'm gay" in response to the other characters like every episode. It's not that funny the first time she says it, and it gets old fast.
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Let me try to help you with taking criticism. I write a lot and am in a few different writing groups. I know it's hard to hear criticism about something that you worked really hard on it and put a lot of time into, but you want to avoid getting so defensive about it. When people crit your work, they not only have spent time watching it, but they've gone the extra mile to think about why it worked and why it didn't, then they spent even more time formulating their opinions in a way that can help you improve what you've done. Criticisms are there to help you improve. You aren't coming off as a jerk or anything, but it makes me not want to give you any further feedback because it feels like you're denying the validity of our opinions. If everyone in the thread is saying: "The metal thing isn't working for me," then you shouldn't just blow it off as, "Well, that's your opinion." We are giving you this feedback so that you can improve what you've done, not so that you can defend what you've done to us and not change anything. I don't think a single person in this thread has said they like the metal aesthetic, and very few people have even responded to the thread. Most people probably saw the name "Metalhedz" and were deterred from even clicking the thread. The ending words with 'z' thing is really cheesy and is going to push most people away. Most people don't have any real positive associations with metal as a genre or as a scene, so if the 'z' at the end didn't scare them away, the metal thing did. You have like three or four people who have even responded, and you've told all of us, "That's your opinion," and "So then it's not for you." quote:He is the buffoon of the group, and is mainly there for comic effect. He's supposed to be cringey and ridiculous but, humour is pretty personal and subjective, so it didn't work for you. That's fair. I'm surprised his character isn't obvious though, he's a dirty, pervy rear end in a top hat. This is a really annoying response to a valid criticism I gave. Yes, everything is subjective, but from the three episodes you've given us, this character is nothing more than a collection of cliches (or you can call it "comic relief.") Don't tell people "humor is subjective" and then dismiss their criticism. You are free to dismiss criticism if you think it's wrong, but don't tell people that what they feel is basically wrong. I have seen three episodes of this character and I completely hate him in such a way that I hate the show. When you had him slapping his butt for no reason, I was cringing for you, not for the characters in the show. Seeing him do this broke me out of the show and made me just cringe that a bunch of people sat together, planned out that he do this, filmed it, and edited it. There are positive and successful aspects of this show; I've done short films for projects in university and know how hard it is to make this kind of thing not look exceptionally low budget (I never even tried to pull it off, I just went with super cheesy to play off how bad we were at film making.) For all the criticism, you actually have overcome the greatest part of that cheese factor and made something that at times feels almost like a real show. It's still not a show I would watch, and if you keep hearing the same criticisms from multiple people, you really should just say, "Thanks for the feedback," and ask more questions, because at this point I don't want to bother addressing anything more specific since you will likely just chalk it down to personal preference rather than a fault of yourself/the writers/actors/directors/etc.
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systran posted:Let me try to help you with taking criticism. I write a lot and am in a few different writing groups. I know it's hard to hear criticism about something that you worked really hard on it and put a lot of time into, but you want to avoid getting so defensive about it. Sorry dude, I really haven't been trying to be defensive. I didn't realise that it had come across that way. I know a LOT about giving and taking criticism, I work as a copy editor and a critic for my day job, so I get what you mean. All I've been trying to do is give each of you an indication as to why any particular problems you brought up came about, or what our intention was in making that decision. I wasn't trying to excuse or argue anyone down. I've been feeding this up the pipeline to the writer (because I didn't write this!) so it's not like anything is being brushed off. quote:If everyone in the thread is saying: "The metal thing isn't working for me," then you shouldn't just blow it off as, "Well, that's your opinion." We are giving you this feedback so that you can improve what you've done, not so that you can defend what you've done to us and not change anything. That's fair. It's also unfortunately the case that, the metal thing is what we went with. I said above that we've had a few folk mention the same issue, so I never denied it was a problem. I also gave you our reason for going with that idea. In case it shed some light on the process and our mindset. Having already shot the whole series, there's not much we can do about the show being called Metalhedz and being about the metal scene. quote:I don't think a single person in this thread has said they like the metal aesthetic, and very few people have even responded to the thread. Most people probably saw the name "Metalhedz" and were deterred from even clicking the thread. The ending words with 'z' thing is really cheesy and is going to push most people away. Most people don't have any real positive associations with metal as a genre or as a scene, so if the 'z' at the end didn't scare them away, the metal thing did. quote:Don't tell people "humor is subjective" and then dismiss their criticism. You are free to dismiss criticism if you think it's wrong, but don't tell people that what they feel is basically wrong. I have seen three episodes of this character and I completely hate him in such a way that I hate the show. When you had him slapping his butt for no reason, I was cringing for you, not for the characters in the show. Seeing him do this broke me out of the show and made me just cringe that a bunch of people sat together, planned out that he do this, filmed it, and edited it. All I was trying to illustrate above was that some folk DO find the humour in the show funny. So saying "this isn't funny change it" isn't really helpful criticism, as all it tells us is that one person didn't like some of the humour. I can fill a room with people and half of them will love one comedian and hate another, the other half will feel the opposite. Doesn't make anyone right or wrong. That's all I meant by the subjectivity. Some folk think Skull is hysterical, you found him cringey. I wasn't saying you were wrong, just that some people don't agree. quote:There are positive and successful aspects of this show; I've done short films for projects in university and know how hard it is to make this kind of thing not look exceptionally low budget (I never even tried to pull it off, I just went with super cheesy to play off how bad we were at film making.) For all the criticism, you actually have overcome the greatest part of that cheese factor and made something that at times feels almost like a real show. quote:It's still not a show I would watch, and if you keep hearing the same criticisms from multiple people, you really should just say, "Thanks for the feedback," and ask more questions, because at this point I don't want to bother addressing anything more specific since you will likely just chalk it down to personal preference rather than a fault of yourself/the writers/actors/directors/etc. Well, as I've said, I was trying to encourage more questions, and thought that by explaining and addressing the individual points raised then people would be encouraged to discuss things further. I GENUINELY wasn't ever trying to say to anyone, "Well you are wrong and we have our reasons so we'll ignore you!" We do want feedback, and I'm greatful for it, so is the rest of the cast and crew. I just felt a little explanation would be more beneficial than me simply saying "Thankyou for the feedback" and little else. I hope you do give more feedback, and when you do, understand that the response I make to you will be because I want to talk about the show, and the ideas, and explain what we were thinking, not trying to tell you why I think your opinion doesn't matter. Because it really does to us.
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kizeesh posted:That's the idea, each one of them is dressed in a particular style of alt/rock/metal styles. It makes it easy to tell them apart, which was one of the major complaints against the original pilot. Everyone looked too similar and were all dressed in black. So, we're pretty much damned whatever we do there. Like everyone in this thread keeps telling you, you are not pulling off this concept. Stop handwaving around this criticism, it's major and important. The failure is right in your byline. People who are alt culture are into alt culture because they like to think they ARE different. People who are turned off by alt culture aren't clicking on a show called "Metalheadz" anyway. I don't know who you think you're alienating by focusing on the one thing that makes your sitcom stand out from every other "schmucks in a pub" show. Decide on your audience and commit to your concept. If you're passionate about metal, that passion absolutely does not show in your series. If you're not, rethink your concept and go with your passion. If you call your show "Metalheadz", people probably expect metal, metal references and some self-aware humor. Metal is loud and brash and brutal and technical and cerebral, and not a single one of these adjectives apply to what you're doing. What are your influences, what do you like to watch? When I think "metal sitcom" I picture The Young Ones, Bottom, Jam, Nathan Barley and Dethklok. Have you seen these shows? What do you think? Your show is not terrible. Your writing is not terrible. You need to work on direction, and good lord please get some lights on your actors, but really none of this is worth fixing without really going back and rethinking your concept.
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I hadn't watched the earlier versions, but I watched all 3 of these. Feedback I dont mind the Metalhedz premise, its no different than choosing any other social group premise for a show (eg BBT), and just provides some grounding for characters. That said, the Metal premise is probably less accessible to a lot of people. Also it doesn't provide as much opportunity for color choices for clothing. Episode 1 had some problems in that I never felt the girls and guys were sitting at the same table. Seemed like 2 set pieces glued together. I felt Episode 2 was the best of the 3. I didn't find too much wrong with it. I quite enjoyed it, and started warming to the characters. Episode 3 was very messy on the pacing. Tails trying preparing to chat up the girl was good. The porn discussion scene had potential but was a bit stilted. Skulls post-laid stuff just seemed silly. I liked a lot of the chat-up with the facebook girl and Ginge, but it didnt quite work at the end of the scene. Characters. Tails is the best character. Try not to go too over the top with the tumblrish nerdy girl concept though (I thought tentacle porn was slightly over the line when it didn't need to go that far). The lisp is endearing to me, although some disagreed in above posts. Ginge - I dont mind him as a womaniser, but he doesnt seem to have any motivations apart from getting laid. He comes across as the group's social hub, so he needs a little more fleshing out. Skull - I feel I would like to see him a bit more off the wall, a la Ade Edmonson (VyV in Young Ones or Eddie in Bottom). Beki (I think this is her name) - is a non-character at this point. Tails likes her but Beki is straight. That's all I got. Lastly, 30 seconds of front titles does my head in. I have to fast forward 30s every time.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Like everyone in this thread keeps telling you, you are not pulling off this concept. Stop handwaving around this criticism, it's major and important. I've said various times now that WE ACCEPT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THIS!! I'm not sure what I can possibly say to make this clearer, I'm not handwaving or avoiding it, I've accepted it and pointed out that we've already finished shooting, and aren't going to rebrand the show mid-season! I'm starting to feel like folks who don't like the name and concept aren't going to be happy unless I say, "OK we'll pull the show and spend another year rebranding it." Seriously, this point has now been made abundantly clear. Not a lot can be done about this aspect at this stage! I'm not shouting here, or angry, I'm just kind-off feeling like I'm beating my head off a wall trying to tell people that we get there is an issue. quote:I don't know who you think you're alienating by focusing on the one thing that makes your sitcom stand out from every other "schmucks in a pub" show. quote:What are your influences, what do you like to watch? When I think "metal sitcom" I picture The Young Ones, Bottom, Jam, Nathan Barley and Dethklok. Have you seen these shows? What do you think? quote:Your show is not terrible. Your writing is not terrible. You need to work on direction, and good lord please get some lights on your actors, quote:really none of this is worth fixing without really going back and rethinking your concept.
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No Beer Left posted:I hadn't watched the earlier versions, but I watched all 3 of these. quote:Feedback quote:Episode 1 had some problems in that I never felt the girls and guys were sitting at the same table. Seemed like 2 set pieces glued together. Episode 2: Yep, this is what most folk are saying. Ep 2 is the high point so far. Episode 3: Yeah there are issues with pacing and narrative payoff with 3. The end joke timing is a little off, and it was originally part of a longer comedy montage of Skull outside miming his sex acts to random passers by in the street, before the pub pay-off. But we cut and reworked that as it was deemed too far into animal comedy stuff that we wanted to avoid. As a result it's still a little bit off-kilter with the rest of the show's feel. I guess we're just finding our feet with a few aspects still. quote:Characters. You're pretty on target with all of that about tails, the only thing is that Beki is bi-sexual, not straight, but some of her scenes (in the old pilot and later on) had to be cut, and as a result she's a little under-served as a character sadly. Skull's a difficult one, as we originally did envision him as that sort of off the wall crazy comedy character (originally it was a two-act with another character called Bones) but as the series went on and we settled on a slightly more serious tone, those elements were toned down. He's still the pratfalling comic relief character, only not quite as goofy as he could be. Ginge is the social hub, and yeah he's a little underwritten in terms of motivation and background. Although there is more to him, and it becomes clearer as the show goes on. quote:Lastly, 30 seconds of front titles does my head in. I have to fast forward 30s every time. Thanks a lot for taking the time to let us know!
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kizeesh posted:I've said various times now that WE ACCEPT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THIS!! I'm not sure what I can possibly say to make this clearer, I'm not handwaving or avoiding it, I've accepted it and pointed out that we've already finished shooting, and aren't going to rebrand the show mid-season! I'm starting to feel like folks who don't like the name and concept aren't going to be happy unless I say, "OK we'll pull the show and spend another year rebranding it." Seriously, this point has now been made abundantly clear. Not a lot can be done about this aspect at this stage! I'm not shouting here, or angry, I'm just kind-off feeling like I'm beating my head off a wall trying to tell people that we get there is an issue. Just to be clear, you absolutely do have options here. You would lose nothing in a soft rebrand, and potentially gain a real audience. Your work so far is valuable and salvageable, but the name, branding and opening sequence is problematic enough that you're not giving that work a chance to succeed on its own merits. This is not a situation where you have a huge marketing push that would go to waste with a re-brand. I don't even understand what you mean by mid-season, you are releasing this on youtube on a schedule you defined. You're not beholden to a network or sponsors. You're continuing to make a conscious choice to stick with branding that you yourself acknowledge does not work. Have you noticed what happens when you google the name of the series? What are you really losing by switching to something better? I wouldn't give you the feedback if I thought there was nothing you could do about it.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Just to be clear, you absolutely do have options here. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but the doom and gloom idea that we're dead in the water and nobody likes the show, no-one finds it funny, and no-one likes the theme, simply isn't accurate to the overall response to the show. It could be it just doesn't appeal to goons that much. But only 6 folk replied out of the several hundred views on this thread, and anyone who has promoted anything online knows that you usually receive more negative comments than positive, as people who enjoy things often just enjoy and move on. Again I'm not brushing off your ideas, and suggestions, just letting you know that this isn't the overall response we've had. While there have been various things people have pulled us up about, the metalhedz theme hasn't presented an issue for most people. They just accepted it and watched the show. quote:This is not a situation where you have a huge marketing push that would go to waste with a re-brand. I don't even understand what you mean by mid-season, you are releasing this on youtube on a schedule you defined. You're not beholden to a network or sponsors. You're continuing to make a conscious choice to stick with branding that you yourself acknowledge does not work. Have you noticed what happens when you google the name of the series? What are you really losing by switching to something better? Actually man, I never said it didn't work, I said we understood there was an issue, and some people thought there should have been more focus on the metal, or the scene. That's fair, we accept that. I never once said I thought it didn't work. Because I don't think it is a dealbreaker, and the response overall backs that up. I'm not dismissing your feelings man. But you have a far worse impression of all this than most people who have responded to the show. We set the ball rolling and we're happy to run with it until the end of the run. Why not? Stopping it now is only going to make people who do like the show lose interest and wonder why we pulled it to pander to folk who didn't 'get it'. Absolutely, there's no producers or network breathing down our necks, and yes, the google thing is unfortunate, but equally, we're getting great hits for a wee indie web series, made out of a flat and a local bar for less than $1000 all in! quote:I wouldn't give you the feedback if I thought there was nothing you could do about it.
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Well, I'm confused then. If you reached your viewership goals, you're happy with the response and you don't want to change the show then what is the point of this thread? You keep saying you're not brushing off our ideas but every single response you've posted in this thread is a defense and justification of why you have to do things the way you're already doing them. edit: I just want to point out in clear words that you're dismissing the fact that you have named your internet web video show with a word that is currently unsearchable with google. I honestly don't understand what could possibly justify not changing this. If you're excited about 1500 views per episode, think how many you could have if people could actually FIND YOUR SHOW BY SEARCHING THE INTERNET FOR IT. Dr. Fishopolis fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Mar 12, 2014 |
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Well, I'm confused then. I wanted honest feedback on the show. We are planning to work on a second season and other projects and we wanted to know what people thought. I wasn't asking hat out for people to tell us what to do. Again I never said we'd reached viewership goals, I said we had good hits for an unknown project. There's always room for improvement. That doesn't mean I'm going to grab the writer, cast and editor and immediately implement every suggestion, that's not feasible at all. Shooting is wrapped. We can't get the locations or all the people back. The guy playing Skull has shaved his beard off! quote:edit: I just want to point out in clear words that you're dismissing the fact that you have named your internet web video show with a word that is currently unsearchable with google. I honestly don't understand what could possibly justify not changing this. If you're excited about 1500 views per episode, think how many you could have if people could actually FIND YOUR SHOW BY SEARCHING THE INTERNET FOR IT. Don't think I don't understand where you're coming from! I get it. Ultimately it's not my call to do that, I'm not the showrunner, or the writer. But I agree with him, it's a step further than we're prepared to go. You might think that's short sighted of us, but it's our time and money in this dude. We're the one who will have to do all of that, and that time and money is better spent elsewhere. Thanks again, it's genuinely enlightening to hear this stuff. We really are paying attention, but it's a step too far.
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Episode 4: Girls Girls Girls, is now up online, you can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZVU9oo_SLI I'm still interested in hearing people's thoughts, and we've had a lot on the Metalhedz aesthetic and style. Now we're halfway through the series, I'd be really interested to hear what people have to say on the character development, the scripts, the ongoing storylines, and that side of things. As well as any technical points that maybe haven't surfaced before. All feedback is truly very gladly received and as ever I'll try to directly address any particular choices we made. (Which really shouldn't be read as defensiveness or anger, it's just an insight into why we did what we did!) Thanks again
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Hey OP. I'm one of those "several hundred" who viewed the thread without commenting. I only lurk CC (and SA itself anymore) so I didn't feel that great offering criticism when I've never workshopped anything here myself, but since the lurking masses have been brought up, I might as well chime in. I'm a huge metal fan, and I enjoy shows like Todd + The Book of Pure Evil and Metalocalypse. Heck, one of the only web series I follow is black metal themed, albeit a cooking show. I clicked on your thread expecting to see a poor knock-off of that sort of thing. Why poor? Because "Metalhedz" immediately struck me as the kind of title an out-of-touch marketer who knows NOTHING about metal comes up with. The vibe it puts out is more 1990 XTREME SUPER SOUR CANDIEZ FOR RADICAL DUDEZ when (I assume) you were trying for trve kvlt or füll øf ümlåüts. I checked out the trailer first. The actual footage looks pretty nice! The impact font does not. And why is the music totally not metal? I kept waiting for the record scratch or some kind of punchline slam into harder music which never came. If the rest of the trailer had nailed the metal aesthetic, I might not have started thinking that the actors look like actors wearing borrowed Hot Topic costumes-- I only know that they're in the scene irl because you said so in this thread. They do seem like a potentially appealing bunch, and I could get behind a pub-oriented relationship comedy, but as it is, I'm left wondering what this really has to do with heavy metal music. "The alternative crowd may look different to everyone else, but they're really not." Yeeaaah... that gives me the impression that this is just an ordinary comedy dressed up with spiked bracelets for some reason, which makes me worried I'm going to be cringing at every forced reference to something I love. The opening is alright, though again, the font makes it look cheap as hell to me. Hey, music that actually fits the title! I quite liked the "people putting on their rings and bracers" thing. Echoing the criticism of the camera set up during the table scene, but overall the first episode looks well shot. The actors are pretty decent, and their costuming is mostly believable if boring. Too bad all of the characters come off as just plain unlikeable. If you're gonna do the lovable misguided losers thing, there has to be something to love or at least some vicarious bad-idea fun happening. Two guys bullying their sullen lesbian "friend" isn't a good time. The rohypnol joke was awful, and this is coming from someone who laughed all the way through the Dory McClean episode of Metalocalypse. Your character with the strongest look is now gross and irredeeamable out of the gate. Tails didn't come across as not getting what he meant so much as being pathetic enough to make a weak joke in order to go along with her lovely, possibly rapist, friends. Her demeanor during the opening pop-culture exchange didn't come across as "pals having fun busting on each other" as "sad lonely girl who lets people treat her like crap." I'm a queer female metal fan and she depresses me. I love a lot of shows with unlikeable-in-real-life, morally terrible characters, but most of those shows make it work by being smart, high-energy, and having lots of over the top humor as a counterpoint to the dark stuff. Comedy pilots are often uneven, as character humor is hard to make work while the audience is still figuring out who the characters are, but I wasn't given a lot of hooks to know who these people are beyond "incompetent poon-hound", "rapey dumbass" and "doormat nerd girl." Your title invites comparison to comedies where the character hooks are just plain more fun like "emotionally incompetent poon-hound world's fastest guitarist", "sweet but dumbass inheritor of the necronomicon", and "shy but brutal nerd girl genius." If you're going for a more realistic kind of show, I'm going to want characters that are even more appealing than the ones in goofier metal comedies, since there won't be the fun of blood and demons to carry things. I gave episode two a shot for fairness's sake. Again, the technical stuff and some of the acting struck me as pretty good for a no budget web series! I wish the house hadn't looked like an ordinary place with a few dorky metal things strewn around, which, while admittedly true to life, is visually uninteresting and comes across as low-effort. Unfortunately, episode two really bored me. Maybe having Beki make a nerd reference was supposed to be a hint that she's the one for Tails, but what could have been a telling moment later on once the characters were established made me feel like nobody had their own identity. Tails's reaction to it made her come off as an unappreciative jerk-- I'm already thinking Beki deserves someone better. Ginge felt too awkward to be sympathetic, but not awkward enough to be really funny. I'm confused why someone who supposedly has all this debauched sex is so bad at picking up girls-- if the idea is that he's nervous and loses his edge around the girl he really likes, that's not really coming across, especially since his interest in her seems to be entirely based on her being hot. Skull was by far the most interesting guy to watch, as he was different and interesting and pushing his gimmick to the hilt, but he's a creepy rapist who helpfully reminded us of that yet again, sucking a lot of the appeal out of what could have been a bright spot. I'm not going to watch any more. Just to reiterate, I'm a queer woman who is still passionate about metal into her thirties. I was pretty nerdy and shy when I was younger, too. A comedy about a geeky young dyke finally getting the balls to ask out the girl with the help of her goofball friends AND THE POWER OF METAL would be my favorite thing in the world if it was well written. As it is, I despise Tails and am bored to tears by the show. Sorry!
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kizeesh posted:All feedback is truly very gladly received and as ever I'll try to directly address any particular choices we made. (Which really shouldn't be read as defensiveness or anger, it's just an insight into why we did what we did!) If you have to keep putting exclaimers on your posts explaining that you're not being defensive, you need to look at why your behavior is being perceived as defensive. You've made it clear that you don't think you have the power, money or interest to change anything substantial about the series. I'm still really not sure what the point of this thread is unless you're just fishing for unique visitors. Nobody is giving you feedback because they're interested in why you made the choices you made, they're giving you feedback because you asked for it. Turns out, most people in this thread think you made very bad choices around some core elements of your show. I'm sorry that makes you feel bad, but instead of defending your bad choices, why not talk about ways to actually address some of the problems we're bringing up?
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Mar 15, 2014 07:12
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:If you have to keep putting exclaimers on your posts explaining that you're not being defensive, you need to look at why your behavior is being perceived as defensive. You've made it clear that you don't think you have the power, money or interest to change anything substantial about the series. I'm still really not sure what the point of this thread is unless you're just fishing for unique visitors. You seem to think the only reason we'd need feedback is to 'fix' this series? God no, as I said we're gearing up for a second season, and we need to know what the errors made here were. For a start, we have implemented some of the points already. Try Googling "Metalhedz". That problem is now fixed, in large part to the feedback from this thread. No, I'm not looking for hits here, we're doing good for uniques, but I'm getting lengthy and detailed thoughts from people here, which is invaluable to the show's potential future. quote:Nobody is giving you feedback because they're interested in why you made the choices you made, they're giving you feedback because you asked for it. Turns out, most people in this thread think you made very bad choices around some core elements of your show. I'm sorry that makes you feel bad, but instead of defending your bad choices, why not talk about ways to actually address some of the problems we're bringing up? Yep, people in this thread don't like some of the choices. Which is good, we know that now, better than if no-one had said anything. Trouble is, as I said earlier, your main suggestion has been that we pull the show, re-brand, re-title it or start from scratch. Which for us, is an unnecessary palaver and waste of time and money. We are addressing the issues of the lengthy intro, the metal focus, the character depths and motivations already. But for the next season, not this one. We've had a positive enough response that we don't think pulling it & rebranding is an option, like I said before. So, if that's the only way forward you can see, then you're not on the same page as us. Which is your right. Just don't expect agreement on that point of action.
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Sailor posted:Hey OP. I'm one of those "several hundred" who viewed the thread without commenting. I only lurk CC (and SA itself anymore) so I didn't feel that great offering criticism when I've never workshopped anything here myself, but since the lurking masses have been brought up, I might as well chime in. quote:I'm a huge metal fan, and I enjoy shows like Todd + The Book of Pure Evil and Metalocalypse. Heck, one of the only web series I follow is black metal themed, albeit a cooking show. I clicked on your thread expecting to see a poor knock-off of that sort of thing. Why poor? Because "Metalhedz" immediately struck me as the kind of title an out-of-touch marketer who knows NOTHING about metal comes up with. The vibe it puts out is more 1990 XTREME SUPER SOUR CANDIEZ FOR RADICAL DUDEZ when (I assume) you were trying for trve kvlt or füll øf ümlåüts. Yeah, the showtitle does seem to be divisive, as I'm sure you've read above. It was supposed to be a play on the fact that Metal bands often purposely use incorrect spelling on band names, as well as being a unique spelling. "Metalheadz" for example is already a real life band name, so we couldn't use that, and plain "metalheads" looked boring. But it's what we've got now. quote:Too bad all of the characters come off as just plain unlikeable. If you're gonna do the lovable misguided losers thing, there has to be something to love or at least some vicarious bad-idea fun happening. Two guys bullying their sullen lesbian "friend" isn't a good time. As to the rohypnol comment, it's again quite a divisive one. The intent wasn't to make the joke about date rape, more to show that Skull will say ANYTHING and often aims to offend, and that Tails doesn't operate on the same wavelength as the rest of the group. But a few folk have expressed a lot of distaste at anything that even hints towards a rape joke. quote:I gave episode two a shot for fairness's sake. Again, the technical stuff and some of the acting struck me as pretty good for a no budget web series! I wish the house hadn't looked like an ordinary place with a few dorky metal things strewn around, which, while admittedly true to life, is visually uninteresting and comes across as low-effort. Unfortunately, episode two really bored me. quote:Just to reiterate, I'm a queer woman who is still passionate about metal into her thirties. I was pretty nerdy and shy when I was younger, too. A comedy about a geeky young dyke finally getting the balls to ask out the girl with the help of her goofball friends AND THE POWER OF METAL would be my favorite thing in the world if it was well written. As it is, I despise Tails and am bored to tears by the show. Sorry! I really would be interested to know more about why Tails doesn't appeal to you, as I said it's a completely new thing to hear and quite opposite to 99% of what we've heard back so far!
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I haven't seen the previous thread or anything else except the video in the OP. I'm also skipping others' feedback on purpose. Not sure how much you can benefit from my impressions, but here they go. - First of all, congratulations on your work! - I used to be a metalhead sort of and am too old now to be still into it but I still would like a metal-themed comedy show... if it turned out to have something to do with actual music / lifestyle. If it turned out to be just young people who happen to wear that style of clothes and some generic guitar licks between scenes, I'd be disappointed. - The introductory sequence was too long (30+ seconds) considering it didn't provide any information or introduce the characters. - I liked the setting and characters - visually at least. I'm ESL and couldn't understand what they were saying most of the time. Consider providing a version with English subs. - Camera positions and editing didn't work for me. At first I thought that they were all sitting at the counter (all looking in the same direction). Then I noticed that girls are in fact sitting at a table and that they should be looking at the guys. There were several cuts when I got confused about the direction a character is facing and the angle from which the camera is shooting - all supposedly without characters moving. - Acting looked good while they were only talking, but with movement not so much. For instance, black-haired girl falling of the chair. - I feel a shot or two of the bar as such would be good. Just people sitting around or bartender pouring a drink. The scenes seemed disconnected and I couldn't get a sense of what kind of space they were in. All in all, 3.5 stars out of 5, would watch again! (with subs) edit: OK I read the thread now so you don't have to bother with replying to stuff that's already covered. Doctor Malaver fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Mar 18, 2014 |
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Hey Guys, Just to let you know Episode 5 "Dude Looks Like a Lady" is now up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJnc0giNv3Y Feedback very much appreciated as always. Doctor Malaver posted:- I used to be a metalhead sort of and am too old now to be still into it but I still would like a metal-themed comedy show... if it turned out to have something to do with actual music / lifestyle. If it turned out to be just young people who happen to wear that style of clothes and some generic guitar licks between scenes, I'd be disappointed. quote:- I liked the setting and characters - visually at least. I'm ESL and couldn't understand what they were saying most of the time. Consider providing a version with English subs. quote:- I feel a shot or two of the bar as such would be good. Just people sitting around or bartender pouring a drink. The scenes seemed disconnected and I couldn't get a sense of what kind of space they were in. Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the feedback!
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Hi guys, Episode 6: Redefine, is up now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RokAe5xvVNI We'd love feedback as ever. Especially as this is the first quiet flat-based episode where it's really all about the characters just hanging out and being themselves. As ever just let me know what you're thoughts are.
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Hi guys! Well the final episode of Metalhedz is now up Episode 7: Make a Move https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YqKLpBPAFY So is the Blooper reel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC8k4ym6kWg enjoy! Now that the series is complete, more than ever, I'd love to hear people's thoughts on the characters and the series as a whole. We're in the midst of writing season 2, and this is absolutely the best time to let us know what you think about the second series and where you think the characters are going, and what you expect, or would like to see in season two. Thanks!
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kizeesh posted:Try Googling "Metalhedz". That problem is now fixed, in large part to the feedback from this thread. No, I'm not looking for hits here, we're doing good for uniques, but I'm getting lengthy and detailed thoughts from people here, which is invaluable to the show's potential future.  No, it's not. What do you think you did to fix it? Are you going to address any of the issues anyone brought up in this thread for season 2? If so, how?
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:What do you think you did to fix it? I didn't do anything to fix it. Not my department. Someone did something and it certainly was working a couple of weeks ago, when I posted that. I'll feed it up the chain though. It's not our greatest concern at the moment. Google isn't our main method of PR and media marketing. quote:Are you going to address any of the issues anyone brought up in this thread for season 2? If so, how? Well that's a little vague, as there have been LEGION suggestions and comments and at this stage I don't want to get into specific particulars of plot, or characterisation at the first draft stages of writing, but I can tell you the following: Episodes will be a minimum of 10 mins in length (not including credits or intro) The intro sequence will be getting redone, and will be shorter We're looking into sourcing more equipment, more lighting etc. So we don't have the "dark pub" scenario all over again. We are location scouting & will be casting some new faces, as we plan to expand how much of the character's lives, some new characters, more interaction with friends, hanging out, seeing bands, and at their workplaces. But sorry Doc, we're still sticking with the name and the concept.
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kizeesh posted:I'll feed it up the chain though. It's not our greatest concern at the moment. Google isn't our main method of PR and media marketing. You don't think it's particularly important that you can't find the name of your online series with a google search? What exactly is your main method of PR and media marketing?
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:You don't think it's particularly important that you can't find the name of your online series with a google search? What exactly is your main method of PR and media marketing? With the best will in the world dude, none of this is feedback for the show. You've obviously got a bee in your bonnet about this aspect of things, but it's not something I want to take up time and energy debating with people outside of the production. Leave that side of stuff up to us, I'd rather know people's thoughts on the content of the show.
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kizeesh posted:
The quality looks good. It's the jokes I'm struggling with. If we take the 1st episode, the guys just aren't OTT enough. Guy is a bit blokey and likes to shag around - is a thing. It's when you take it to a an unreal extreme that it becomes funny, and a lot of the time you fall short of that. For a moment I thought the beardy bloke in that scene had just popped the top off his beer then casually chewed it and swallowed it and that would have been a bigger laugh than anything in the scene. It's the same with the Santa thing - 11 and 13 don't feel like too ridiculous ages to have found out Santa wasn't real. If the first thing they said was eighteen, and she said, no, it was fourteen because that was the year they put tampons and a pamphlet about STDs in my stocking - that kind of elevates it. I feel like right now it's tending towards a bit too naturalist to be funny. The chuckle brothers thing could have been bigger, more animated, do their stupid accents or something. I watched through a bit more and really feel this is the main issue throughout - sitcoms, especially in such a short format, need strong, powerful, characters, most of whom are fine being one or two dimensional, because we don't got time for anything else. There are loads of places where a joke really could work but it just needs to be kicked up a knotch into absurdity or audacity. Right now, I do feel like this could just be a group of mates at my old pub - but I don't want to watch real people's conversations and lives in this format. I really do feel that webseries characters have gotta be basically cartoons. What that does mean is that obviously you have camera and set quality down, there is chemistry in the group and all the realism you could need - just push things more. Other note: Don't massively like the title sequence. Too long for the length of the show, and it kinda makes it seem like Metalhedz are people who wear clothes like this as opposed to a subculture that's in any way about music or other things. But yeah, buy in to these characters. If beardy is gross, make him uber gross. If Ginger is a shot-down, thinks-he's-sly motherfucker, make it so. If Tiny Lesbian fancies straight girl, she has a secret stalker shrine in her bedroom with candles and poo poo and will secretly plot to destroy men who aim to get close to her. Cartoon characters, man.
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May 3, 2014 00:40
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kizeesh posted:With the best will in the world dude, none of this is feedback for the show. You've obviously got a bee in your bonnet about this aspect of things, but You can't loving google the show because of how bad the name is, and once again you are jumping on people who are taking the time to offer you feedback. Hey man, SORRRRRRRY that you didn't like my crit, you know, sorry that you've got sand in your vagina about the crits that we are giving you that you asked for (this is how you sound, by the way, not what I am unsarcastically saying,) but you can't even Youtube search it: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=metalhedz "Yeah we've got a webseries out called Metalhedz, you should check it out." "Yeah cool, maybe I'll google it." "It's spelled 'metal, then h-e-d-z." "Okay... I think I can remember that, no 'a,'...and a 'z,' got it." "Yeah, so search it on Youtube or Google, then it's gonna auto correct to search for 'Metal h-e-a-d-z, so you've gotta click on 'search instead for 'h-e-d-z.' "Okay..."
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May 7, 2014 15:06
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kizeesh posted:With the best will in the world dude, none of this is feedback for the show. You've obviously got a bee in your bonnet about this aspect of things, but it's not something I want to take up time and energy debating with people outside of the production. Who is going to be watching your show if they can't find it? Why does the content matter if your project is a dead end because you don't have the balls to change the stupid name? Do you really want to continue spending time and energy creating a project that is inarguably hamstrung by a name and theme that don't work? I want to post your answer to this again so you can read it: quote:Yep, I understood perfectly well. It's unfortunate, but I don't think we're going to make our fortunes off this show. So instead of spending lots of money, time and effort rebranding a show which is already on the go, we'll save our time and efforts for other creative outlets, like planning and writing season 2, and maybe plough the money for website domains, etc. into promoting tweets and facebook ads. Read this again. Have you ever heard the phrase "throwing good money after bad?" In your first sentence, you acknowledge that the issues we're talking about are a serious limiting factor in the success of the project. By the last sentence, you're telling us that instead of using resources to fix the problem, you're going to spend resources on tweets and facebook ads to build the brand you acknowledge has fundamental issues. I think there's some other reason you won't change the name. Either you don't feel like you have enough influence within the group to affect change, or you have some other attachment you're not telling us. You don't seem like a stupid person.
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May 11, 2014 01:16
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Dr. Fishopolis and Systrans. As I've said several times, I understand what you are getting at, however I've also said many times that it's not a move we are considering. All you're doing now is repeating the same points. Like I said consideration has been taken and it's been deemed a step farther than we are willing to go. That's the final word on the name of the show! It's Metalhedz! It's staying Metalhedz, and I appreciate the efforts taken to explain why you think we should change it. It simply isn't going to happen though! So yeah, I'd appreciate any OTHER feedback as ever, but I'll not be responding to that particular suggestion any further. Thanks again.
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May 16, 2014 15:42
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The only other appropriate feedback is quit. Continuing to work on an internet series when the name is unsearchable is a huge waste of time no matter how good or bad it is.
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May 16, 2014 20:55
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:The only other appropriate feedback is quit. Continuing to work on an internet series when the name is unsearchable is a huge waste of time no matter how good or bad it is. This is a terrible post. There are plenty of reasons to keep doing the show: it's fun, learning experience, building a reel, direct links, etc. Hammering away at the OP because they chose a name which requires you to click one extra time to find it via google/youtube is just petty.
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May 17, 2014 01:21
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