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Trash Boat posted:Actually, the opening scene of the movie does showcase a Sonic the Fighters machine. Are you loving kidding Jesus loving Christ That's an incredibly deep cut and I love it Edit: But why was Bowser there?  Edit2: Ffffffuck, Mario Kart. Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jan 1, 2015 |
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Spatula City posted:okay, this Wreck-It-Ralph discussion is fascinating, but can we talk about how utterly devastating The Tale of the Princess Kaguya is? It needs an Oscar, dammit to hell. Best movie no one will ever know about. The day I went to see this, a dude tagged along with me and tried to make a date of it. And then he cried. 
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Interpreting criticism of a film that takes place in an arcade and features living advertisements walking around as Marxist because it's negative is like calling a politician who's slightly left-of-center a socialist. I didn't expect Wreck-It Ralph to end in apocalyptic revolution, I have The Lego Movie for that. I wanna see Song of the Sea so loving bad. I also need to re-watch The Secret of Kells.
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Jan 1, 2015 00:25
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Kaguya was incredible. I wish I could say something more profound about it, but I can't. It's simply perfect and if you have any love for the medium of animation, then you owe it to yourself to watch it.
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Its use of song is just exquisite. I honestly can't think of a more profound experience I've had at the movies this year.
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Ya know, the Sonic cabinet gets moved during the opening scene to make room for Sugar Rush and other games. But Sonic is obviously still there which means they had to unplug then replug in his machine. Did they disappear or die when the plug was pulled? If so did a NEW Sonic and Co come back and have to be reintroduced to everyone? Did they chill out in the main hub until the machine was repositioned and then go back into the game? I would like answers on this kind of thing in Wreck-it Ralph 2, Disney
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Jan 1, 2015 00:39
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Macaluso posted:Ya know, the Sonic cabinet gets moved during the opening scene to make room for Sugar Rush and other games. But Sonic is obviously still there which means they had to unplug then replug in his machine. Did they disappear or die when the plug was pulled? If so did a NEW Sonic and Co come back and have to be reintroduced to everyone? Did they chill out in the main hub until the machine was repositioned and then go back into the game? I would like answers on this kind of thing in Wreck-it Ralph 2, Disney That's why it's Modern Sonic and not Classic Sonic.
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Jan 1, 2015 00:47
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The internal contradictions of Wreck-It Ralph continue to mount - none of them should be afraid of 'death,' it's a regular occurrence. But maybe the threat of continual death is traumatic? Like in Salo? The Bishop (Giorgio Cataldi), Pier Paolo Pasolini's Salò o le 120 giornate di Sodoma (1975) posted:Fool, how could you believe I wanted to kill you? Don’t you know we’d want to kill you a thousand times, to the limits of eternity, if eternity has any?
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Jan 1, 2015 00:55
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The main source of tension is that the main characters spend most of the movie outside of their own games, and in the case of Vanellope, she's been isolated from the game's source code. In their current situation death IS permanent. Didn't you LISTEN to Sonic?
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Jan 1, 2015 00:59
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Did you even watch my movie, Joan, or did you just see it?
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Spatula City posted:okay, this Wreck-It-Ralph discussion is fascinating, but can we talk about how utterly devastating The Tale of the Princess Kaguya is? Devastating is the perfect word for it. I just rewatched it for the first time (hooray for blu-ray), and it still left me with a hollow ache. So good. K Waste had a pretty good post about Kaguya as being feminist and Buddhist earlier in this thread. You might enjoy it.
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Jan 1, 2015 01:15
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Pick posted:Did you even watch my movie, Joan, or did you just see it? Been lurking through WIR chat but I had to break silence for this, sometimes I feel like the world has forgotten Clone High and any stray evidence to the contrary is super nice 
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Traxus IV posted:Been lurking through WIR chat but I had to break silence for this, sometimes I feel like the world has forgotten Clone High and any stray evidence to the contrary is super nice I've still got the DVDs somewhere. I loved how most of the cast of Scrubs ended up in there, somewhere.
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Jan 1, 2015 01:54
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I remember seeing the first episode of Clone High way back in 2002 and thinking it was so fuckin' funny but then completely forgetting about it until I re-discovered on YouTube. It still holds up so well. Lord and Miller would way ahead of the curve humor-wise.
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Jan 1, 2015 01:55
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Pick posted:I meant it more as a critique of Treasure Planet than of The Croods. Treasure Planet is some of the "best" animation in terms of accurately communicating 3-dimensionality, but that means it doesn't play to the strengths of what it really is. (Same with Tarzan.)
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K. Waste posted:Interpreting criticism of a film that takes place in an arcade and features living advertisements walking around as Marxist because it's negative is like calling a politician who's slightly left-of-center a socialist. I didn't expect Wreck-It Ralph to end in apocalyptic revolution, I have The Lego Movie for that. It's Marxist because it's based in Marxist ideology which itself is at least a general school. I'm rejecting it because you're specifically attacking the film for portraying incremental change as positive as opposed to overthrowing the whole system. Incremental change creates tangible benefits even when it leaves more to be done. In any case it's focusing on how the film does not perfectly align with a given ideology which does not strike me as an inherent negative. Maxwell Lord fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jan 1, 2015 |
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Maxwell Lord posted:It's Marxist because it's based in Marxist ideology which itself is at least a general school. I'm rejecting it because you're specifically attacking the film for portraying incremental change as positive as opposed to overthrowing the whole system. Incremental change creates tangible benefits even when it leaves more to be done. I mean, everything is subjective, mate, but the valid formal criticism that, dramatically, the film's moral resolution is inordinately predicated on the redemption of an oppressed protagonist rather than a tacit recognition of the corruption within the oppressive system itself, is not implicitly Marxist. Granted, in a film over-stuffed with seemingly arbitrary uses of real-world video game I.P.s is gonna lend itself particularly well to an anti-capitalist reading, but Marxists do not have a monopoly on criticizing oppressive systems. Indeed, I would argue that the very nature of the internal world of the arcade itself is such that the capitalist infrastructure implied in the world around it is largely irrelevant. If the Soviet Union's infrastructure could sustain arcades as propaganda, they would do it, and Ralph's journey of self-realization would make excellent Communist propaganda, with King Turbo/CyBugs representing the all-consuming, diabolical specter of capitalism. My ideological position isn't Marxist, it's anti-cultural indoctrination through deceptively naive media.
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K. Waste, you're crazy. I like you, and you have some good points, but you're crazy.
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resurgam40 posted:K. Waste, you're crazy. I like you, and you have some good points, but you're crazy. resurgam40, my friend, sometimes being crazy is useful. To characterize my critical perspective as Marxist is reductive. I'm merely frightened by the prejudicial paradigms and inherent corruption of 'the system,' which can be capitalism but doesn't have to be. Ideally, Ralph's rebellion against the system has no specific sociopolitical goal in mind and, indeed, is purely motivated towards the dissemination of justice, the rejection of arbitrary authority, and the end of corruption. This may be naive, but, after all, this is a children's film. If this were 1954, I would be championing the C.I.A.-mandated ending of the Haras and Batchelor adaptation of Animal Farm. (Actually, the plight of the animals is basically an honest representation of what the characters in Wreck-It Ralph are actually living. The only difference is that instead of capitalism-interpreting-communism, it's capitalism-interpreting-capitalism. The point, I hope people would take, is that neither system is to be trusted with its own representation. If you look from pig to man and man to pig, you'll quickly find you can't really tell which is which.) I have been told by a Ukrainian friend that I would have done a great job working for the Soviet propaganda bureaus. But that was because I would have intentionally let so much "degenerate art" past the censors.
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K. Waste posted:I would be championing the C.I.A.-mandated ending... I have been told by a Ukrainian friend that I would have done a great job working for the Soviet propaganda bureaus. But that was because I would have intentionally let so much "degenerate art" past the censors. These aren't unrelated! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_expressionism#Abstract_expressionism_and_the_Cold_War
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So do people want a new thread for a new year or is this one fine for now?
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Jan 1, 2015 15:14
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NEW THREAD.
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Jan 1, 2015 16:26
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Okay, I'll put something together. Taking dumb thread title suggestions now!
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Jan 1, 2015 16:28
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The Animation Thread: One for Frozen please. Hm? No it's just me.
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Jan 1, 2015 16:43
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The Animation Thread: So go see The Tale of the Princess Kaguya, already.
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The Animation Thread: Ghibli's dead and Pixar's Falling-Welcome to the complainening
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The Animation Thread: We're Actually Getting A Pixar Movie This Year!
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Too late: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3691738
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