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Oracle posted:Hahaha no. What other 'bad stereotypes' are there other than that one? They're nerdy? Work too hard? Good at math? Seriously, they suffer more from 'model minority' stereotypes than bad ones. I guess it depends on where in the country you are. * Bigoted / chauvinistic * Mama's boys / coddled by parents * Socially awkward (either in immigrant roles or as part of a social pariah clique) * Effeminate and/or just plain weak physically A lot of this depends upon what the local culture values more, and in semi-rural areas stereotypical masculinity standards for men tend to prevail regardless of race. White nerdy kids were every bit as ridiculed as black or Asian kids. I saw this for myself growing up in a working class area with pretty much a UN of ethnicities and nationalities at a 2500+ high school. I honestly think that in the absence of other commonalities and context, American culture tends to devolve into a sports-based one (supported in studies on overcoming racial bias - you create another factor to discriminate by instead of skin color). Pigasus posted:Do you think Asian men are portrayed as asexual or emasculated in media? The usual roles Asian males have available are pretty limited in Hollywood it seems and the market dynamics will prey upon consumers' gut instincts (read: probably more racially biased) over trying new IP. John Cho (from Star Trek, Harold & Kumar) has mentioned how he couldn't really even audition for anything outside strictly prescribed roles because of how formulaic Hollywood is. On the other hand, it's somewhat rare to see interracial relationships in Hollywood movies to begin with and oftentimes it's a white male centric relationship if so (we could probably bring in the predominance of white homosexuals in popular media as another barometer of just plain racial centricity there anyway). So my gut feeling is that audiences are totally receptive to the idea of Asian (both south and east) main characters but producers of media content are finding it really difficult to justify taking the risk to even test the waters and thus get the expectedly lackluster results. Then again we basically got a Hollywood Asian male fetishist porn movie with Ninja Assassin the other year out of the blue, so I dunno whether steps are going forward or laterally. Daniel Dae Kim has done a pretty fair job of helping break the traditional mold and validate that non-stereotypical Asian male roles are commercially viable alongside Steven Yeun more recently. I do think there's a bit of "unfairness" for Indians given they're probably underrepresented in "cool" roles in American media now compared to even East Asians. My strong suspicion is that it's tough to hit prime time with anyone that could even remotely look like they're Arabic because of the strong anti-Muslim / anti-"Arab" contingent that runs through so many conservatives in America (regardless of racial background). Fluorescent posted:I have seen an awful lot of Asian men (granted, mostly foreign) who think a white American girl will never date them. It is definitely a stereotype that is affecting people.
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Kessel posted:I can't find the paper right now and I'm rushing off to something else, but IIRC there was another large-scale study which concluded, in an analysis of whether women in America find Asian males attractive, that every single race found them less attractive than would be expected except for one race: black women.  I think that was the study done by CMU several years ago. The results were something like "to be equally attractive to women on these dating sites as an Asian male, you'd need to make at least $200k / yr and be 6 feet tall while this does not hold for any other ethnicity." That is, substantially less than 1% of Asian males are as appealing on dating sites compared to median / average white, hispanic, or black males measured by message responses, profile views, and a couple other variables measuring interest. The authors of the study were obviously alarmed and triple checked their math because of the serious implications if the math is right but they couldn't refute the results. Honestly, I just think they forgot to filter out the fake profiles that plague these sites but I think they also wrote a paper on detecting fake profiles so I may sadly be wrong. By Chris Rock's definitions that apply for black Americans when it comes to income v. cultural relevance... that's pretty much grounds for racism (he noted hyperbolically that in his NJ neighborhood top black celebrities like MJ and Beyonce lived among... white dentists so if a black dentist could get into the neighborhood, he'd have had to "invent teeth"). I dunno though, just because people view Asian males as unattractive / not dateable in general doesn't mean racism to me given they just might be overrepresented with the guys that aren't participants in the dating pool. Then there was the statistic in the same paper that showed that white women that stated that they'd be open to dating interracially only actually ever dated interracially (on the site, obviously) at a rate of something low like 8%. In contrast, men that said they were open did so at a rate exceeding 70%+. I don't believe they tried to correct that based upon length and number of relationships well though (AKA promiscuity), but they were pretty thorough and I'm probably wrong about downplaying those figures. One takeaway I got from the paper was that women self-reporting what they'd be open to doing has little bearing upon their recorded behavior - this is kind of important to check regardless of gender, race, etc. But really, none of this matters as much as the reality that there's a pretty darn non-zero number of AM-non-Asian couples in the US and that it's a lot more than .1% of marriages (the marriage pool being diluted by divorce+remarriage stats included). If I let the stats dictate everything, I should almost certainly be the top .1% of Asian males in the US by income and height or something given interest from multiple girls (independent events assumed), but that's not true. The anecdotal evidence elsewhere in the thread also goes against the blatant racism in dating assumption too even if there's significant bias present.
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I think I aggregated multiple papers together mistakenly in the process but I think the majority of what I was thinking about (aside from the math, that was in a separate paper) came from this particular paper http://home.uchicago.edu/~hortacsu/onlinedating.pdf I suspect I read an analysis of that paper by other researchers that conflated with these conclusions to leave me with that impression after these years. If you look for citations of that paper, you may find some derivative work that more closely explores the racial factors and better estimates the so-called "handicaps" of different race and sex combinations. Glancing over that paper again, it's far-fetched to come up with the sort of stuff I wrote earlier from that one paper alone for sure. If you have archives, I'm pretty sure I got the papers originally from posts on the forums here around 2006 - 2008 (possibly in gassed threads now). They might have been in that old OkCupid thread even.
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