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Looking at the actual ruling, you're right, the courts said that it wasn't infringement to use some GW terms.
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I mean if after-market parts for cars, bikes, etc... are a legal thing I don't see how this could be any difficult. It's not like those manufacturers are forced to word their products in a way so that you can only guess what model supposed to be for.
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The exact argument I was going to make was aftermarket car parts but wasn't sure if it was apt enough.
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Jan 28, 2014 19:29
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I had no idea GW was doing so badly. I never had the money to really get into it and now that I can I don't really want to. I'm guessing 12th November 2014.
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I still can't find any attribution anywhere that you can't play pick-up games of WH40K anymore. My local store posted on his Facebook that it's a ludicrous assertion.
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Jan 28, 2014 19:36
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I don't think anyone here really understands companies. Considering as recently as the beginning of 2014 they were only making 'slightly less millions of dollars' it would be really hard for them to go belly-up this year.
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FordCQC posted:I still can't find any attribution anywhere that you can't play pick-up games of WH40K anymore. My local store posted on his Facebook that it's a ludicrous assertion. No-one's saying you can't, just that it's getting harder depending on the area. My LGS by comparison has a grand total of 2 regular 40k players and a minimum of 6 Warmahordes players, averaging 8-9 on wargaming nights. A year ago is was the opposite.
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Someone certainly directly said 'GW said no more pickup games'. Oh, it was the OP.
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Ah, well that's at least partly true at my local GW store. About a year ago I think they dropped pick up games in favour of pre-arranged games only. I don't know if it's been changed back.
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My LGS (that isn't a GW) definitely prefers it if you tell them you want table space, to the point where you can probably end up not playing a game if you didn't ask/someone doesn't no-show, but this isn't so much a 'no pick-up games rule' as it is 'don't show up to a packed restaurant on a saturday night and expect not to wait'.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I don't think anyone here really understands companies. Considering as recently as the beginning of 2014 they were only making 'slightly less millions of dollars' it would be really hard for them to go belly-up this year. Apparently GWS has no debits, and I'm assuming a reasonable credit rating (couldn't find online) so chances of bankruptcy in near future are slim. However, share prices can rapidly deflate if you lose investor confidence so it's absolutely possible for them to be sold to another company if it's demonstrated through several quarters of lossess or even earning below forcast, if it become clear the company can't turn itself around. In short, they have options if they want to reform themselves (as in they're at a much better place, than say GM was in 2008), but whether they have the managerial ability to do.
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xutech posted:I would love it, if there was a thread that dissected this in great detail, starting with the large number of "famous" games-workshoppers who have over the years left and formed their own companies. Besides the already-mentioned Mantic Games (run by ex-GW guy Ronnie Renton), there's Warlord Games, which has Paul "Fat Bloke" Sawyer (and some other GW guys, I think; I believe Rick Priestly's sci-fi wargame is going to be coming out through them, after his Kickstarter for it failed), Studio McVey (which is run by former GW painter Mike McVey), and I think Alessio Cavatore is working as basically a freelance games designer and consultant (IIRC, he wrote or contributed to the rulesets for Warlord's Bolt Action game, as well as several of the Mantic games). I remember Andy Chambers was doing his own thing for a while, too, though I'm not sure if that is still the case. He still works for Blizzard, IIRC, and I believe he also worked on the DUST Warfare game. Not sure if there are any other ex-GW guys who've gone on to (relative) prominence in the wargaming field after leaving GW, but I'm sure someone will be glad to help fill in the gaps.  SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I don't think anyone here really understands companies. Considering as recently as the beginning of 2014 they were only making 'slightly less millions of dollars' it would be really hard for them to go belly-up this year. I don't think anyone here seriously thinks GW is going to fold within the next year, it's pretty much a joke-y thread about a company that seems to basically hate everything about its' chosen industry except the sweet sweet revenue it has been generating (well, at least until the last six months or so  ). And even with that, it's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that some or all of GW might eventually get sold off (which counts as "dead" for the purposes of the death pool).
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I don't think anyone here really understands companies. Considering as recently as the beginning of 2014 they were only making 'slightly less millions of dollars' it would be really hard for them to go belly-up this year. They are probably pretty relieved to.have such a relentless defender against those who maliciously misrepresent them for comedy or otherwise.
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Winson_Paine posted:They are probably pretty relieved to.have such a relentless defender against those who maliciously misrepresent them for comedy or otherwise. Actually, every time I mention 'Games Workshop' I am sued for a million dollars. I actually would really enjoy GW being owned by people who actually give a poo poo about Warhammer, or specialist games. Jesus, give the company to Matt Ward for all I care. All I want is to play space barbies.
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"Games Workshop Legal posted:Avatars WATCH OUT THERE THUNDERCRACKER
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Ex-GW guys Renedra: http://www.renedra.co.uk/history.html Seems to be a who's-who of ex-GW-Plastic-Sprue-Toolers. Not exactly "famous" but obviously another company sprung out from GW and it now makes sprues for a large number of companies including Perry Miniatures, Mantic and Warlord.
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That's amazing. Has anyone posted the judge's ruling in full yet, or even a partial transcript? I've got to imagine there's some stuff worth reading there.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:The exact argument I was going to make was aftermarket car parts but wasn't sure if it was apt enough. I could swear I've seen various extra bits and pieces sold for highly specific plastic model kits advertised by companies who don't produce the original kit. I'm not talking about gaming models, just plastic tanks and battleships and stuff. e: I don't mean "1:300 metal masts/antennas for Bismarck battleship", I mean stuff like "1:300 metal masts and antennas for CompanyX Bismarck kit product code XYZ".
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Yeah, I've seen things like metal Tiger treads for specific Tamiya kits and such. GW only care since it helps keep prices high.
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Jan 29, 2014 02:36
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February 21st, 2015 Birthday votin'.
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AlphaDog posted:I could swear I've seen various extra bits and pieces sold for highly specific plastic model kits advertised by companies who don't produce the original kit. I'm not talking about gaming models, just plastic tanks and battleships and stuff. It works like that with everything. If I fix my sink I can buy any pipes I want, I don't have to use the official Ronco Pipes with the Ronco Plumbing System. Or car parts. Or a whole lot of poo poo. Also: SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I feel like this isn't actually true; the major issue was how GW approached the lawsuit. Ostensibly, you can't manufacture Jenga blocks, brand them as Jenga blocks, and say they are for playing the game Jenga. You can't manufacture Monopoly boards and Monopoly pieces and say 'these are pieces you buy to play the game Monopoly'. You can't make an exact duplicate of the monopoly board, no. Plenty of places will sell you tiny houses and tiny minis and fake money. GW has held its position by virtue of other people either not having enough cash to do so or who didn't give enough of a poo poo. SPACE MAN IN ARMOR WITH GUN is not a particularly sacred invention. You can't make wooden blocks and say THESE ARE JENGA blocks but again, you can certainly make three inch by one inch by one half inch or whatever the hell jenga blocks are and sell them. The idea of IP does not exist to prevent anyone from ever making anything resembling your product ever, just to keep people from making what you specifically make and what you specifically call it.
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Winson_Paine posted:It works like that with everything. If I fix my sink I can buy any pipes I want, I don't have to use the official Ronco Pipes with the Ronco Plumbing System. Or car parts. Or a whole lot of poo poo. Also: Yeah, I know. Other people were talking about car parts and stuff, I just thought that there was an existing example within the context of little plastic tanks/soldiers.
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Kai Tave posted:That's amazing. If you liked that, you'll love these: quote:Photos of Painted Models quote:Conversions quote:Unreleased Material quote:T-shirts, Clothes, Tatoos and the Like quote:Model Conversion Kits Source: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=3&aId=3900002&start=4&multiPageMode=true
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Well, they don't allow it! They're very, very cross, and will write a strongly-worded letter to anyone who does!
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I'll take a birthday date, October 17th, 2015  GW priced me out of their 'hobby' a long time ago, I now willingly throw all my money at Wyrd, Privateer Press, Hawk Wargames, Mantic et al I don't want to see GW dissappear by any stretch of the imagination, but if they don't turn it around and give me a good reason to give them my money then I won't be pulling my finger out to help save them when the time comes.
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Fargo Fukes posted:Why does everyone think they're about to die? According to their half-yearly report they made nearly £8m in the last six months (before tax). Wouldn't they have to be losing money for a while to go belly-up? What am I not getting here? Because their stock price recently crashed 24% in one day thanks in part to their not paying a dividend without even issuing a profit warning.
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Winson_Paine posted:It works like that with everything. If I fix my sink I can buy any pipes I want, I don't have to use the official Ronco Pipes with the Ronco Plumbing System. Or car parts. Or a whole lot of poo poo. However, plastic space mans are one of the most useless products in the world, whereas plumbing and cars are kind of important. What really bugs me is how GW doesn't publish any scenery construction guides any more. I wonder how long it will be until they produce only pre-painted Space Marines that cost $50 each.
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neonchameleon posted:Because their stock price recently crashed 24% in one day thanks in part to their not paying a dividend without even issuing a profit warning. Jesus Christ the avatar of that guy: 
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Daedleh posted:Ah, well that's at least partly true at my local GW store. About a year ago I think they dropped pick up games in favour of pre-arranged games only. I don't know if it's been changed back. Which is extra funny because GW doesn't do tournament support anymore.
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My "local" GW store cut their hours recently, and I hadn't heard about it. I was quite sad to spend a half hour driving up there only to catch the neckbeards rolling out as the store closed. 12pm-7pm seems really bad for a store with products so expensive that the unemployed can't really afford to buy anything, doesn't it? Or am I just out of touch with retail hours? For comparison, the actual local gamestore near me is 10am - 12 am 7 days a week, but they make most of their money selling magic cards over the internet or something. Next time I want some finecast/direct only poo poo, I'll just grab it used off of ebay.
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Gonna go with my regdate here: February 4th, 2015.
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Another birthday vote: May 17th, 2015
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drgnvale posted:12pm-7pm seems really bad for a store with products so expensive that the unemployed can't really afford to buy anything, doesn't it? Or am I just out of touch with retail hours? For comparison, the actual local gamestore near me is 10am - 12 am 7 days a week, but they make most of their money selling magic cards over the internet or something. Warhammer's target market is kids/teens who are just getting into the game (so GW can milk as much out of them as possible in cash up-front before they get bored and move on). GW's recent strategy has been to cut costs as much as possible in order to try and prop up their bottom line, as long as it doesn't directly interfere with getting that new blood (and new money) in. Not bothering to have the store open to serve people outside that target market is in line with all the other short-sighted decisions they've been making.
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If you're marketing exclusively to kids and teens, wouldn't you only want to open your store close to the hour that schools let out (excepting the weekends, of course)? Opening at 12pm seems a bit pointless in that context unless UK schools hold drastically different hours than US ones where school only lets out at 2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon. Think of the potential savings!
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Well, this is in suburbs near Seattle so I'm pretty sure schools don't let out at noon here. And I've never seen a child in these stores, just bored hipsters painting space men and bitching about GW policies.
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