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Oct. 21. 2015 Turns out GW does become assholes.
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Lightning Lord posted:That's the one thing that isn't their fault though, unless you're complaining about the original Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay.
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Feb 17, 2014 19:43
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Oh, lordy. Remember, remember, sticking it in the financial blender of November 5, 2015.
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Feb 18, 2014 04:32
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February 19, 2015 because lunar magycks.
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Feb 18, 2014 06:08
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MadScientistWorking posted:Isn't the first Fantasy Flight game a slightly cleaned up version of something that GW put out? FFG only really started working on WHFRP with the third edition, which came out in late 2009. I don't know if this is the "badly written" RPG being discussed or if they're referring to 2nd edition. I like WHFRP 3rd, FWIW. Also, going with a birthday guess: September 11th, 2015 (since 2014 is taken).
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Feb 18, 2014 09:22
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Rulebook Heavily posted:Basically instead of suing Chapterhouse for individual trademark and copyright breaking, they threw the entire GW 40k IP at them, including stuff like how they trademarked the term "Space Marine". By doing that they made the court not just challenge whatever specific IP Chapterhouse was messing with, but the entire GW line, which in turn meant the court had to strike down vast swathes of said IP trademarking. Of course, if GW was actually a game of Risk, it couldn't be over by the end of 2016. August 1, 2015. Birthday Club  MadScientistWorking posted:Isn't the first Fantasy Flight game a slightly cleaned up version of something that GW put out? Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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Apr 10, 2014 14:48
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I saw a new post in this thread and thought it would be something about their most recent  in the form of the website redesign, but nope.The new website seems to me like the sort of deckchair rearranging that we'd expect to see at this point from a company that still doesn't get it but needs to do something to pump up their shareholders.
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Apr 10, 2014 15:36
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JerryLee posted:I saw a new post in this thread and thought it would be something about their most recent Betting that 40k 7th edition does come out. Seems like GW logic. "Hey, we make a crapload of money whenever we release a new 40k edition right? Let's do one every two years!" Considering the exodus that 6th ed saw, I doubt another £45 rulebook will help matters.
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Apr 10, 2014 15:44
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Guessing June 8th, 2015
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Apr 10, 2014 16:17
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Halloween Jack posted:I believe the first version of Dark Heresy was done by Black Library, yes. It sold out on preorder, but the line was immediately canceled when someone at GW ran the formulas and determined that investing $X in a novel was still more profitable than investing the same $X in a tabletop RPG. You really had to be there to appreciate just how hilarious this was. People had been asking for a 40K RPG for years and years even though it seemed like it was pretty much never going to happen, then all at once GW announces that they aren't just going to release one 40K RPG but a line of them. The hype surrounding Dark Heresy was incredible, and like Halloween Jack said the first print run sold out basically as soon as it was up for order. Then GW immediately turns around and goes "actually RPGs are for suckers, see ya'!" and cancels the whole thing. It's not even like they're wrong about that, but to go from planning multiple game lines spanning years of releases to "nah, forget about it" in the span of a month is like the textbook definition of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.
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Apr 10, 2014 18:23
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JerryLee posted:I saw a new post in this thread and thought it would be something about their most recent The new website is just an online catalog. Games Workshop is not going to give you anything unless you pay for it, or at least come into their stores. Want some painting tips? Come over to our store where we'll hard-sell you the entire time, or buy our $50 book with info you can get for free online from third parties. Want to learn how to make terrain? Nobody "makes" terrain anymore - buy our terrain pieces instead! If I didn't already have more models than I know what to do with, I would cut my losses and start playing a different game NOW. As it is, like 95% of my Warhamming cost is time, so why not keep playing? It's a fun game with cool minis and a neat setting, it's just a shame the company that makes it is making GBS threads on everything that got it to where it is now.
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Apr 10, 2014 19:23
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Nah, the new website is to finally purge any lingering hint that Specialist Games ever existed. Just like they did for Squats.
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Apr 10, 2014 19:28
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Apollodorus posted:The new website is just an online catalog. Games Workshop is not going to give you anything unless you pay for it, or at least come into their stores. Want some painting tips? Come over to our store where we'll hard-sell you the entire time, or buy our $50 book with info you can get for free online from third parties. Want to learn how to make terrain? Nobody "makes" terrain anymore - buy our terrain pieces instead! There's alternatives like Mantic, particularly if you're a dissatisfied Fantasy fan. The Kings of War ruleset is like an actually good Fantasy game, properly designed. Just bring your old models and go.
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Apr 10, 2014 19:30
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Rulebook Heavily posted:There's alternatives like Mantic, particularly if you're a dissatisfied Fantasy fan. The Kings of War ruleset is like an actually good Fantasy game, properly designed. Just bring your old models and go. I may just do that. If I can figure out where the bulk of my Fantasy minis ended up. There's also the Warpath rules, which are maybe just like 40k 3E?
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Apr 10, 2014 19:40
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FrozenDorf posted:Nah, the new website is to finally purge any lingering hint that Specialist Games ever existed.
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Apr 10, 2014 19:43
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I liked that most dates here are people's birthdays. With as much money and time I used to invest in GW products, I will laugh and tell them to go gently caress themselves if half the new policies (since 2006) talked about are true. So, 1st December 2015.Rulebook Heavily posted:There's alternatives like Mantic, particularly if you're a dissatisfied Fantasy fan. The Kings of War ruleset is like an actually good Fantasy game, properly designed. Just bring your old models and go. Are there any similarly well-done rulesets for sci-fi models? I'd like to use my Tau for something. Maybe infinity?
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Apr 10, 2014 19:48
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November 24th 2015 GW dying is a good thing because then it opens up the market and people can finally stop playing bad miniature games.
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Apr 10, 2014 19:53
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So how much does GW make off of farming its IP to video games versus producing actual space barbies? I would think video games are where the actual money is at. My bet is GW becomes an IP warehouse, disbanding mini production and systems on December 23, 2015. In with the birthday crowd.
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Apr 10, 2014 20:19
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MartianAgitator posted:So how much does GW make off of farming its IP to video games versus producing actual space barbies? I would think video games are where the actual money is at. Not much if I'm reading their Financial Report correctly. Royalties account for 1m of the 21m total proffit last year down from 3.5m the previous year. GW will not go out of business, they're currently reasonably profitable, as long as that continues things won't change dramatically. When their backwards decisions finally catch up with them and they do start losing money, the executives will be sacked and new management will be brought in to change everything, and then the fans will have new people to blame.
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Apr 10, 2014 20:50
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I'm just annoyed they removed all the pictures of the sprues from the site.
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Apr 10, 2014 21:41
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No they didn't, they're still there.Fox of Stone posted:Are there any similarly well-done rulesets for sci-fi models? I'd like to use my Tau for something. Maybe infinity? Maybe these? http://gallery.mailchimp.com/e62f0c35454fa3ba687404d69/files/Warpath_II_Rules.pdf Warpath, by a bunch of disgruntled ex-GW staff who make and sell 28mm sci-fi minis that cost half what 40k minis do, and are actually pretty good. For example, Cadian Heavy Weapon Squad, 3 teams for $40:  versus Corporation Heavy Weapons Teams, 3 teams for $15:  Sure the GW product has more options, but you can't deny the Mantic product is a better value (and no one uses heavy bolters anyway). Apollodorus fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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Apr 10, 2014 22:00
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Daedleh posted:Betting that 40k 7th edition does come out. Seems like GW logic. "Hey, we make a crapload of money whenever we release a new 40k edition right? Let's do one every two years!" Did 6th have major issues that caused this, or was it just timing and general lack of interest?
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Apr 10, 2014 22:34
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Fenn the Fool! posted:Did 6th have major issues that caused this, or was it just timing and general lack of interest? Timing, lack of interest and some of the changes did not sit well with people - particularly those hit hard. While the initial quick rollout of new codex's were great, the multitude of e-releases and extra crap over the past few months have made it impossible to keep up. Seconding Warpath for an alternative core ruleset to 40k. The armies aren't fleshed out yet and the core rules are still in beta but using it as a starting point and writing your own army lists/tweaks will work brilliantly until the full release next year.
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Apr 10, 2014 23:24
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September 30, 2015.
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Apr 10, 2014 23:42
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Apollodorus posted:No they didn't, they're still there.  That new setup sure fooled me!
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Apr 11, 2014 23:49
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October 29th 2015 Some dork already claimed my B-day. Wouldn't GW going under be the death knell of miniature wargamming? Whatever you think of GW they pull in a lot of new players who eventually move on into better different games like Warmachine or Historicals once they get tired of GW's bullshit. I fear that without GW miniature wargamming would slowly decline till it resembled the model railroad hobby, increasingly older, increasingly fewer grey-beards playing in basements.
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Apr 12, 2014 01:31
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I really don't think so. I can't speak for 5 or 10 years ago but I think these days PP has the critical mass to become the new face of things and keep LGSes afloat for people to browse their way into. In some markets it already is the primary mover.
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Apr 12, 2014 01:34
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Numlock posted:October 29th 2015 Some dork already claimed my B-day. I think given time, a competitor would take over the reigns although hopefully a few different competitors rather than a single company having a monopoly. PP are in a good position to take over as noted, but there are plenty of other companies taking over GWs market share. In the short term, particularly in the UK, there will be a big problem when GW stores disappear. At the moment probably around 90% of the gaming stores in the UK are GW, and GW stores make up around 99% of the clean, well lit and friendly stores. If they vanish then people walking in and picking up the hobby will dry up (though by a lot of accounts that's stopping anyway when people see the price tags).
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Apr 12, 2014 09:58
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Daedleh posted:I think given time, a competitor would take over the reigns although hopefully a few different competitors rather than a single company having a monopoly. PP are in a good position to take over as noted, but there are plenty of other companies taking over GWs market share. You may be exaggerating, but really, 90 percent? That's a significant difference from the US; in my area, for example (two medium-sized cities and one smaller city, with a bunch of suburbs) there is one GW store in a low-rent strip mall, and four or five independent stores that are much larger in square footage, receive far more foot traffic, stock basically the full GW (and PP, Mantic, Infinity, etc) retail lines, and are better located. Also people actually play GW games there on a regular basis.
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Apr 12, 2014 12:54
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GW is the only major tradgames chain in the UK. There are a few smaller ones, but most towns of reasonable size have a GW store centrally located, few have other chains or independent stores in any reasonably central location. I have literally never in my life seen a Privateer Press box in person in a shop.
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Apr 12, 2014 13:04
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Apollodorus posted:You may be exaggerating, but really, 90 percent? That's a significant difference from the US; in my area, for example (two medium-sized cities and one smaller city, with a bunch of suburbs) there is one GW store in a low-rent strip mall, and four or five independent stores that are much larger in square footage, receive far more foot traffic, stock basically the full GW (and PP, Mantic, Infinity, etc) retail lines, and are better located. Also people actually play GW games there on a regular basis. Yeah it's completely different to the US. Having an indie store is extremely rare, let alone one in a central location. Leeds is the third largest city in the UK and is "the shopping capital of the North". We have: 1. Games Workshop Leeds in the city centre - a decent sized store that has shifted locations a few times over the last decade. By all accounts one of the best performers in the country and so far has managed to resist the change to the one-man store. 2. Travelling Man in the city centre. About a 50/50 split between comic books and board games. There is a corner dedicated to wargames in the corner of the basement but no demo space, cabinets or anything. The only stock held is a few core sets for GW games and Warmahordes. 3. Patriot Games, about 10 minute walk outside the city centre (no passing trade). This is a MTG shop, with board games on the side, with wargames on the side of that. It does provide playspace and dedicated wargaming nights and a small selection of 2nd hand miniatures in a cabinet for sale. There's no dedicated demo table or anything, though the owner will take someone through 40k if they ask. If someone walks in wanting to get started in nerd hobbies though, the owner will always get them playing MTG instead. That is it for shops which stock wargaming products. If we start to look further afield at neighbouring cities and towns - Wakefield, Bradford, Harrogate and York then they only have GW shops or more travelling man shops. No indies. If GW Leeds disappears then there will be no-one recruited into wargaming by walking into a shop, looking at the minis and being taken through a demo game. And this is in the third largest city in the UK.
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Apr 12, 2014 14:58
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3D printers will probably become a household item in the near future. Regardless of what happens in the next few years, being able to just print out a full army for a few bucks will give the genre a good kick start.
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Apr 12, 2014 16:46
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thespaceinvader posted:GW is the only major tradgames chain in the UK. There are a few smaller ones, but most towns of reasonable size have a GW store centrally located, few have other chains or independent stores in any reasonably central location. It's really sad that they have a game store in every town and only stock GW products. If they were willing to stock other games (and maybe put a little bit of focus into their own specialist games) they could really boost the entire hobby.
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Apr 12, 2014 20:28
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Bucnasti posted:It's really sad that they have a game store in every town and only stock GW products. If they were willing to stock other games (and mayb put a little bit of focus into their own specialist games) they could really boost the entire hobby. GW's business model only survives as long as they can maintain their walled garden where Citadel© miniatures, Citadel© super glue and Citadel© paints are the only things that exist. It would take a complete purging of their current corporate philosophy in order to change that. thespaceinvader posted:GW is the only major tradgames chain in the UK. There are a few smaller ones, but most towns of reasonable size have a GW store centrally located, few have other chains or independent stores in any reasonably central location. I don't know that there's anything that could be called a "tradgames chain" anywhere, at least not that I've ever heard of. There were the old Wizards of the Coast stores but I think those got closed down at some point. Maybe I just don't live where it's a thing.
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Apr 12, 2014 20:41
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I was havering, to be honest, against being proven wrong. I'm personally not aware of any tradgames chains other than GW.
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Apr 12, 2014 20:58
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There are no chains at the moment. I'd love it if GW split its miniatures and retail arms into separate companies. If the retail shops were allowed to sell other manufacturers then it would be a huge boom for UK wargaming.
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Apr 12, 2014 21:01
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I just want GW to fall upon their own sword due to their hubris.
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Apr 12, 2014 22:18
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JerryLee posted:I really don't think so. I can't speak for 5 or 10 years ago but I think these days PP has the critical mass to become the new face of things and keep LGSes afloat for people to browse their way into. In some markets it already is the primary mover. As much as I appreciate PP, you wanna cite a source? I'm 100% convinced PP will never be as successful as Magic, which I know for a fact is the primary mover in all the LGSes in Seattle.
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Apr 12, 2014 23:31
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He probably meant primary wargame.
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Apr 12, 2014 23:38
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Daedleh posted:He probably meant primary wargame. Yeah, I was talking about wargames, specifically vs. GW. No way does either of them compare to Magic.
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Apr 12, 2014 23:56
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