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I am a serious ex GW fan who bought all the Warhammer and hero quest stuff as a kid. I have found their business and rules choices over the last couple years endlessly intriguing. I didn't get into 6th due to the price tag and since have watched their practices spiral away like a drunken friend whose car you almost got into again, but now realize they might have problems. I will come right out and ask this because I've looked and can't find it, what is the bad thread and where is it? SA phrasing confuses me a lot. Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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I do not understand why GW would make changes that invalidate their new flagship models like this. Over the last several years huge centerpiece models have been one of their major pushes, even orks got a finally usable Big Metal Thing. Obviously no matter how bad at making rules a company is they would not release a unit that trivially kills them. It would be like if the person had a goose that laid golden eggs and OH WAIT. It just makes no sense from any angle. Didn't this company make Mordenheim? Wtf GW. Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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Apr 21, 2015 21:20
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Seems to me that even the most soulless marketer would hesitate to introduce rules that made him sell less Big Awesome models. From a callous perspective I understand trying to milk money from Eldar fans with the triple codexes (150 bucks for rules. Schaudenfrued-a-riffic) and the ethics it implies, but to then also poison everyone's enjoyment of giant centerpeice models is baffling. Almost deliberate self sabotage.
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Apr 21, 2015 21:32
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NTRabbit posted:Studies suggest smarter than the average ham I find this study fascinating, and though this is has nothing to do with GW or its policies, would the study results have been similar if there were increasingly smaller but collectable bits of meat, numerous random electrical shocks, and finally random crows were shot with a D weapon?
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Apr 21, 2015 21:42
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Imagine you were a small shop owner. Could you imagine if back in 2005 or 2010 you were a big GW fan and sunk thousands in stock and maybe made decent money with 40K and you had to deal with the sabotage of your main love of minis going on now? Why would any business guy own GW items of Wonderous Delight when the company literally BLEW UP THEIR SETTING WITH THE CLEAR STATEMENT EVERYONE DIED... and made you buy 300 bucks worth of books for it. That is literally a decent hooker for the cost of each book. Or a date with the one you love at a nice restraunt. Either / or.
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Apr 21, 2015 22:39
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Endless legends has some good game play and some pretty diverse factions. A better version of endless space I dare say.
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Apr 21, 2015 23:16
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I love Warmachine and I especially love how good the rules are. Also the balance. Bad casters win major events all the time. In the World Team Champs loving Poland took the gold playing Karchev the Terrible who is basically worse then Sisters. It's just an incredibly deep game. I like this thread because it's not a nice place and we are not nice people here. It's like going to rehab, experiencing with others the confusion and disappointment I have in something I grew up with and now see falling apart. Before anyone starts bitching about RL analogies with drugs/relationships I have thousands of dollars in ham for this sandwich that could have paid for a pretty serious drinking habit. Hey speaking of which how did TSR manage to go bankrupt so fast once it stopped caring. Was it because it was private? Were there some colossally bad investments? How is GW doing better? Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Apr 21, 2015 |
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Apr 21, 2015 23:37
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LordAba posted:Anyone who thinks Karchev is bad is an idiot. There are a fair number of Sister of Battle enthusiasts too. I would like to make that point. There Aren't a lot of Sisters in top GW tournies. Wait are there still thoses???
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Apr 22, 2015 01:04
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Esser-Z posted:The X-Wing starter set actually showed up in Meijer (Midwest big-box grocery/stuff chain) here. Tempted to pick it up sometime. This is interesting because when I was young it was the cool GW games like Warhammer Quest or Battle masters that initially got me hooked on miniatures. Cheap fun intro packs like in Xwing are important for long term hobby life. That is *** why wizards stocks magic at Target and sleeps comfortably at night on a giant pile of money. EDIT *one of the many reasons*
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Apr 22, 2015 01:09
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ro5s posted:Ahahahahahahah. People were stupid enough to vote Tory last election and they told students to get hosed to the tune of £9,000 a year. 9000 pounds a year. What is everyone in the UK poors? Folks on the island need to get on the bandwagon college shouldn't be less then 30k usd a year! Also coincidentally on an entirely unrelated note the USA is now battling various south American dictatorships for their spot on world educational rankings.
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Apr 22, 2015 03:09
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It always makes me sick to my stomach educational fees get like that. It is literally selling yourself into financial servitude and the long term benefits may very likely not even be worth it. For a young person they will never be able to not work because that debt will be there. At least the price isn't like here in the states where "free market" education simultaneously has removed collage while pushing high cost degrees for ANYTHING in university.
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Apr 22, 2015 11:47
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Someone at my FLGS had a 40K club shirt so I asked him how things were and mentioned I used to play. He got all excited and told me how great 7th edition is. There are random warlords and random objectives and cool new random psychic phases. Though maybe he didn't say random that often. What should I even say to that. He was so cheerfully innocent.
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Apr 22, 2015 19:43
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Some elements of the story like the ruthless efficient powerful mage king being the chosen one have some cool elements. Kind of Macheavellian elven gods choosing not the good but the most effective. That's pretty metal and grimdark. Many other parts though were poo poo. Did you know he eventually died later in the series? Also his mom / sweetheart died. Also all his followers. Also all the other elves. Also all living things on the planet. Oh GW.....
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Apr 22, 2015 21:03
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@hollismason Use all that money for booze and tell them Santa put all their presents money into kickstarter Wonderous objects and games to dazzle and delight. That way lots of important life lessons are learned, less models to worry about, aND really that's the best gift you can give. Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Apr 22, 2015 21:45
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I heard the end times books started decent with Nagash and rapidly spiraled down into a giant sloppy wrestling match between good and evil. Anyone confirm or deney? Worth the 300 bucks?
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Apr 22, 2015 22:09
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Night10194 posted:Well, that was the stupidest thing I've read in weeks. GW "well fans things have been rough between us for awhile. So we got the Interns and the mail room guy together and whipped up something. I think it will resolve a lot of problems but we both knew this was coming. Took almost a week to put it all together but I think it was worth it. Enjoy your 30 years of lore"
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Apr 22, 2015 22:17
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Why couldn't the modeheim model work? A new fantasy setting in an obscure age or in the ruins of a world a thousand years after chaos won? Chaos is kinda like the tides. It is not impossible that conditions change and it is forced back north. WH Fantasy has always been kinda low magic...
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Apr 22, 2015 22:26
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I have spent thousands of dollars on a skirmish game. It's called Warmachine. Please GW say it was all just a dream! It can't All Be gone! How can I be a king of a war now in big awesome battles?? I legitimately cannot name any other game that ended so abruptly and sloppily. Even World of Darkness had multiple stories of how things "could have happened." Oh GW... Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Apr 22, 2015 22:31
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Can this be in hardback book for 50 dollars please? or just a novella! (The novella is limited print and 50 dollars too obviously) While we are on this topic why is there no news about wh fantasy plans? What madman does that to a setting then leaves anyone still interested hanging? Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Apr 22, 2015 |
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Apr 22, 2015 22:45
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There was a pretty stone cold sarcastic post in the Bad Thread about sisters and general rules balance. I think maybe the humor was too meta. Ironically it did get very very good advice so... emotions are conflicted.
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Apr 23, 2015 05:01
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"I'm going to pretend that Ghost Hand's reply in which he pimps his podcast is just an incredibly subtle counter-troll, because that would be truly sublime. "
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Chill la Chill posted:I want to know what the rhino rush of other games were during that time. Or the dark Eldar being included in the starter set then ignored for a decade. I'm actually ignorant and curious. Absolutely I can give examples. In warmachine Haley2 is totally better then any other caster, by almost any standard in a very control based faction. She has received no nerfs since the last rules almost 7 years ago. In a game that says WAAC literally in the book her total dominance has resulted in almost 10% of ALL tourney lists including her especially in major cons. Despite there being 12 factions other totally OP factions sometimes make up 15% or more of tournies. Granted, Gencons final was between the equivalent of Sisters of Battle and Dark Eldar but don't let that confuse you GW is a totally normal and awesome company. As far as no new releases TSR has released NOTHING for dnd in years. It's like they abandoned it. PS you should ask in your post how Many settings survived being blown up. White Wolf maybe? They are doing OK right? *sarcastic* Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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Apr 24, 2015 19:32
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An Angry Bug posted:That game was and is mostly an excuse for depressing goth sex parties. This makes it sound like a pretty good reason to buy a game.
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It's interesting to note everyone in this thread brings up necromunda, mordaheim, and other games as big parts of their memory. Even though they may not have been major sellers they were a key part of GWs Market dominance. Easy entry into warhammer I guess? I can get into entire new factions in x w wing or warmachine For less then a hundred Now. Both those games are like carbon copys of the old business model of specialist games.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:12
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Renfield posted:If your goth sex parties are depressing, you've got too much Einstein Neubauten and not enough Horatti, and you're Doing It Wrong. I haven't actually been to more then a half dozen Gothic sex parties so someone more experienced is going to have to step in here and explain the ins and outs of them.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:21
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If it's not too hard.
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Necromunda and mordaheim were not that bad straight out of the box. Both games were pretty balanced at campaign beginning and because of the unique rules and scenarios where the objective was to do other things besides fight games were always in flux. I am not trying to say they were perfect by any stretch but they had a pretty fun balance and generally never felt like you had no chance. Even losing you stI'll got some thing to improve. Battletech is a pretty well made rules TBH. Good internal balance with weapons, maneuvering rules, and design specs without being totally bogged down.The setting is decent as well. Several years of awful releases for an rpg and miniatures company doomed them more then anything else. There are still battletch clubs at my FLGS. Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Apr 24, 2015 |
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Panzeh posted:That's one of the big knocks on Mordheim to me, gear, armor in particular but a lot of weapons, too, was just too expensive relative to other things. That's one of the big problems that shows up with the d6 save thing, where armor's usefulness runs along a sharp curve relative to its value. Me my chums did a bunch of Mordenheim campaigns and the best ones were where gear was limited. A elite human with a spear and heavy armor is not broken but a pimped vampire in gromil is almost immune to chump mordaheim gangers. Skaven start really strong but dwarves really do not. Their armor starts too expensive and dwarf starts aren't that great. Remember in mordaheim gold should stay kinda scarce. Yeah Mordenheim could be broken but it had a ton of heart.
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Mordaheim was greatest when you play bunches of scruffy chumps and they guy with actual armor was king of the hill. The game is best at the ghetto level and its the armies the broke that mold that made things unfun. So any news of what the hell is happening in fantasy? Mantic is laughing all the way to the bank right now.
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Apr 24, 2015 23:39
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petrol blue posted:
It its defense, this is dubbing for a kids show from a long time ago before they had discovered subtitle technology and also how to make gigantic fistfulls of money from anime technology right? Edit yeah this is from 1989. A LOT of early anime, especially the mass kids stuff, works better if not dubbed. I mean a lot of this stuff isn't that polished anyway, but watching it dubbed just adds more grit to it.
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Apr 25, 2015 01:54
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NTRabbit posted:Assassinorum: Execution Force is $210 Australian funbucks Counterpoint: none of these games have jewel like objects of wonder or are produced by a real workshop for games. Also I just checked and all these products are peddled by common merchants like pencils on a street corner. Many of them use proper exchange rates and I found pictures of their products on virtually any merchants website, on display like a common trollop. I would recommend sticking to only legitimate models from the obvious choice.
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Apr 25, 2015 18:53
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This thread got me looking at mantic and OMG it reads like some sort of weird GW time warp to the 90s. I mean that in a good way. Two big simple games and lots of really cool small scale mini games linked into if with overlap. Different buy ins ranging from all the models to cool skirmish teams. Really reminds me of what got me hooked on GW back in the day.
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Considering at the very least KoW can be classed as a "pretty good game" or better they are looking to rake in customers by the fistfull from Fantasy. They even have straight up conversion rules for GW armies to a KoW Format and actively promote using any model to play their game. It warms the depths of my cold business heart, and its brilliant from a marketing point. KoW fixes a TON of my biggest gripes with fantasy, and I respect that. Little things like horde units counted by the model, super complex magical crap that eats units, and taking all my money to make an army always made me dislike Fantasy 8th and fixing those things makes me veeeeery interested. In fact if a KoW started in my local shop I would try it out, I DONT EVEN NEED A NEW ARMY!
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I foundD those dnd adventure systems generally pretty Fun. Scratches the rpg itch, hard enough to keep you honest, and simple enough it's really fun for non board game nerds to play. I was looking at the new Zombicide but does anyone have advice for other good team dungeon crawlers? Oh yeah Pandemic is awesome but not exactly the genre. Anyone play the mantic one? Also no one in this thread is mentioning space hulk. Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Apr 26, 2015 |
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Apr 26, 2015 06:20
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Chill la Chill posted:Nope. I plan on keeping them for a diorama with 40k someday. I mostly have tau stuff and they look excellent as kites. The problem is finding enough non-battle figures to fly them. I think the tank crews and a couple other minis might be suitable enough for a park outing scene. Space Marines and their lovely witch elf lady friend in the park on a lovely summers day. In the foreground their rosy cheeked scrunt plays with a bounding squig, chasing a skull to and fro. Above the in the clear blue sky gaily painted fire warriors and a crisis suit bob in the breeze.
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GW will discover that the plebian masses have swarmed the garden of skirmishing and have now taken over the same tasty potatoe rows that helped fuel their rise. It will make them confused and sad. My prediction right now is before GW burns some kind of Necromunda or Mordaheim release of course priced uncomfortably high.
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I am a huge Spergy dork who loves rules and their interactions. I Remember getting tons of codexes when they had new rules (the first DE redo) or new tactical ideas like the Space Wolves where there was a codex that was really free for all in its build. A cost of 25 dollars was reasonable even though it was in the 2010s when I road a horse to the games store. I cannot stomach paying the new prices for lazy cash grab codexes. Look at the chaos codex or the Tyranids codex. They are lazy things with the same fluff, terrible rule problems, pointless nerfs, and a crushing price tag. Both codexes followed universally reviled previous entries but the new ones took no effort to fix or change them and merely shuffled costs around to sell more models. I just think Eldar is another example of this and I've got nostalgia goggles from those ancient times when at least I felt I was getting some real value. Some other examples of codexes I would argue tried new things were the 5ed Necron and to some extent 5ed Grey Knights though the fluff in it is enthusiastically terrible to just enthusiastically stupid. Then here comes the 7ed 50+ dollar versions for what changes....exactly? Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Apr 26, 2015 |
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I have no idea why GW thinks they have to have models for every rule. PP doesn't do that (my example of a big company). I understand Gw likes money but if someone makes a model based off their rules certainly that does not keep them from releasing their own model. Is the concept of someone making money off conversions that abhorrent to them? Do they think there are giant untapped money piles being stolen by plebian peasant companies? That if they just wrote rules on a napkin their 10 year old wrote down everyone would fight to pay hundreds per model? I guess what I am saying is IPS still apply right? A company couldn't release a sly Marbo anymore then I could make Ford Mustang made of cardboard and a tricycle? Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Apr 27, 2015 |
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Cynic Jester posted:This is GW just slowly easing everyone into their new release plan of updating every codex every 6 months. With radical changes to internal balance. My observations are more often lately GW has begun releasing codexes with little new models but blatant points reshuffle to sell more. Best examples are Tyranids and Dark Eldar though most marine codexes sort of avoid it. The huge hotness of Eldar were Wave Serpents. Now it is support batteries, jet bikes, and Wraithguard. Accident or planning? I wonder how long a company can sell 10 buck update pamphlets for 50 bucks without releasing anything. After getting the latest chaos codex I know I personally was done. PP is not the best example of third party stuff. Though even they do allow conversions are long as the armament is the same and the model is 50% origional. One of the things I really *abruptly and violently throws up* miss about GW. Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Apr 27, 2015 |
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thegodofchuck posted:Oh I didn't see this edit. I guess you haven't seen much of the third party market. The name stuff is a direct violation obviously. The other stuff is the cost of doing business when a company has the market saturation GW does with the price level they are at. When prices are so high it becomes cost competitive to sculpt knock offs. It sucks but it is not like they could sell their own bits or addons. It is an empyrically proven fact no real company sells bits as a worthwhile endeavor anyway.
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