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Doctor Borris
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Leper, your posts are awesome and I glad to have been an inspiration.

On another note that's pretty interesting. Didn't Fasa also lose rights to all its macros stuff? Was that an issue?

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There are some valuable life lessons being dispensed by the D, valuable valuable life lessons. A lot of growing up is about to happen.

Doctor Borris
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Recently on steam I did a search for Warhammer and holy smokes. Since 2013 GW has been whoring out to everyone and by looking at the production companies I do mean everyone. In the last 10 years the only major games have been Dawn of War and Space Marine. There was also a total war Mark of Chaos. I can count 10 or more games in 14-15 of decreasing levels of quality. Space Hulk was so terrible they had to release another version within almost a year. Of course they charged for it because GW.

what do you guys think of the current whoring? If you, disagree just search warhammer on steam. Holy poo poo.

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Your friend represents an unwanted drain on the company. perhaps you and he could both instead peruse their excellent four million pound website? Did you hear there is a new knight model there. For a mere 30 pounds you can have a marvelous hardback book, a copy for you and your friend to give him comfort when his job is lost due to poor sales. two copies I mean here obviously.

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Considering how GW is pawning off its IP its a surprise there are not Hammerclicks. Do a steam search for Warhammer. There are at least 10+ games released since 2013.

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Moola posted:

this is why you dont buy GW products

it eventually comes round to bite you in the rear end

*Highfive*
Sometimes literally before the paint dries.

Doctor Borris
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I was a big GW fan during Storm of Chaos in fantasy and 40k and I remember it being pretty rad. They released some crazy Mashup armies that sort of hinted at the new ally rules today and had a neat website about it. I don't care about its conclusion because right about the time GW began milking everyone for 50 buck codexes the entire time line got rewound without any explanation, which was pretty weird. It was the only major event in the fluff, in fasntasy or 40k so to have multiple glossy new hardbacks presenting it as a looming threat was surreal to say the least.

Right here in front of me on my bookshelf are two Fullsize books with 4 armies in EACH that also detail the scenarios in the great battles. How weird is it the setting was rewound LITERALLY THE INSTANT IT WAS DONE.

Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Apr 30, 2015

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I disagree. They were solid but neither army EVER bent the tournament scene like Vamps, Dark Elves, and Demons did. Now maybe I wasn't a huge Internet guy then but respectfully they may have been good but they were certainly beatable.
If I'm wrong here I'd love to see some links explaining why! I personally thought both those armies were both fun and flavorful and had potrntial.

Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Apr 30, 2015

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Chill la Chill posted:

You'd think the same thing about D&D, Magic, Pathfinder, and the EU, but well.... :3:

The European Union was really started this way? Holy poo poo the conspiracy podcasts were right!!!

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The war hammer fantasy setting has.... had.... huge parts unexplored. There were a million stories and settings they could have focused on. Just like 40k has lots of untouched stuff.

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Radish posted:

I agree with that.

I think it would be neat if there was a campaign where Chaos truelly begins burning the universe. all the secrets of the chair are spelled out in kinda a rushed way and the emporerer becomes a playable titan. Then it turns out the Tau are the chaos and they invade. Also the chaos bribe the Tyranids king (this is new he is introduced) to help them. There is a super awesome Eldar thing with their gods literally coming back and being literal beings and the Eldar and Dark Eldar do awesome psychic stuff with them. The Dark Eldar reveal they were ok all along but not in way to make them wussy and get the sympathy. But it's not enough and there is a super awesome titan emporer vs Abbaddon fight except Abaddon is super buffed by chaos. Then the whole universe explodes and gets sucked into chaos.

I have submitted this idea to GW, and no spoilers, but I have heard positive feedback.

Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Apr 30, 2015

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The Supreme Court posted:

I liked your work with the End Times, want to autograph my dwarf army book not a euphemism?

I would do that. Their potrayal in end times was super sad because they did nothing and all died easilly to the bad guys they fought all their lives but it was really good because it showed how awesome the bad guys were in the end times. Did you like all the fights?

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Esser-Z posted:

You forgot the orks. The orks LIKE EXISTING, and Gork and Mork are far more powerful than the gods. The end of Warhammer 40k is an Ork punching another Ork, forever.

The orks fight for chaos because they are bad guys and they slaughter a lot of stuff but who cares about them they are the dumberest. No on likes them and they get super double crossed and die to some chaos marines who shoot them. Did you know chaos marines are super awesome space marines who want revenge and fight sll of the time and are all super skilled?

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Radish posted:

What ended up happening with the Orcs in endtimes? I remember some blurb about the dwarves being overrun by Skarsnik and Gobla being killed (the true tragedy of End Times) but not much else in the Skaven/Chaos jerk off session.

Realtalk. Grim or becomes Avatar of Beasts, they kill all Ogres and chaos dwarves off screen, and die comically in the end. I don't think The Headbutt happened this time.

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Radish posted:

After ten thousand years of constant war you'd think that they would have run out of the Chaos Marines that turned traitor by now.


People talk about this avatar stuff which I don't really understand and it just sounds like they watched Avatar the Last Airbender and decided to use that as a basis for their herohammer story.

The magic got loose so only the awesomest mans, in current armies who have models, could become chosen ones with the powers of each of the five... correction eight.... magics to unites to fight the bad pollution that threaten their planet.

Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Apr 30, 2015

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Skinty McEdger posted:

I'm pretty sure that all the poor treatment of the Orks can be traced to Andy Chambers leaving the company. He was pretty much the Ork guy on the development team and was responsible for most of the fun concepts that came up around them.

He also liked writing articles in White Dwarf that were basically "our rules are kind of unwieldy and poo poo, so I home brew them for most of the games I play" and also for using a lot of third party miniatures and conversions in his armies.

Edit: Reminder that the most iconic Ork warboss was completely the result of random rolls for a "how to build an ork arm" article in White Dwarf, and was basically Chambers having fun with it and trying to make sense of it all.

Considering the Ork storyline and direction in the fluff this rings really true. I feel like I couldn't put names on anyone at GW these days. Though as a hobby company with the relatively smallish number of books they do personal enthusiasm must still play a major part In fluff.

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Show him the Tyranid Line! I was just browsing them because of the great ideas a bunch of people gave me in this thread that every one of my models is now redundant. They're.... pretty high.

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I have found the best way to sell product is to suprised customers. GW wisely knows it needs to minimize the toxic crowd that will unfairly badmouth them. For example, imagine if the Tyranids codex had been spoiled and the plebian masses wailed about illogical nerfs to every mainly used model months before people were allowed to buy the book and experience it firsthand? Haters would have cut into sales and prevented people from experiencing the sublime joy of a brand new Army of flying hive tyrants. Technically there is a build in the codex that is sorta competitive so it would have been outright slanderous lies to say the codex is a soulless cash grab that reeks of either greed or outright incompetence. I hope they don't spoil the new knights either so everyone will be overjoyed when they find the new knights are awesome and all the old knights are 50% more points and worse then their current incarnations.

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Chill la Chill posted:

Whenever I happen to come across a shop with a friend who's never played or bought Warhammer models before, I like to play a game and ask them how much they think certain models cost. I always win cuz I get to see how big their eyes get.

It's also a good way to see what people should be wiling to pay for things from the eyes of people who haven't been surrounded and biased by the high prices. So far everyone I've asked about the Bastilodon said $20-25 on first glance so I'm going to wait until it hits that spot before buying.

The Wife Litmus Test regarding prices. Note that the test subject was an avid 40k and sisters player in 2008-2010 and as such her knowledge of proper miniature prices is equivalent to that of a colonial American pioneer.
Test Results
Centurians 40$ (logic being a box of termites for 5 is 50)
Bastilodon 35$ ("that looks about like a dread so about that much")
Basilisk Seige Artillery Box 40$
Bloodthirster 50$ ("that's a pretty big model so it's probably a lot")
Post reveal of Actual Prices.
Imperial Knight 150$ ("it's a big stupid model. I bet it costs as much as a playstation")
Ogre War Chief 50$ ("I know you're trolling me but I am going this high because I bet you won't even put such rediculously numbers down.")


Due to results of this test I have been informed I can no longer buy GW products and am limited to privateer press or Mantic.

Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 16:22 on May 2, 2015

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I don't know about warhammer 40k anymore but for warmachine the cost of a 35pt list that is fully tourney ready and including all rules for the models is 150 bucks, assuming you could not buy the all in one box and copied it, paying 30% off msrp. It's about 165 if you only manage 20%.

Assuming you were a poors and found the GW rules in whatever dumpster the warmachine plebs get theirs from, what is the starting cost of a good 40k 500 or. 1500 army assuming no major conversions. This is a legit challenge, the 500 army also should be somewhat balanced... whatever that means in 40k These days.

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Warmachine is like chess. It hurts more to lose due to tactics when a person is used to snakes and ladders. That big snake is certainly a problem but dice can't be controlled. I would say learn from mistakes and try a caster with more survivability. Warmachine has lots of losses from seemingly out of nowhere when you start. For the love of everything ask your opponent to describe his army and it's tactics.

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I agree with both posts. I still hate Cryx because of how awful the games against them were at the start. Still while teaching it's important to teach not kick dicks. Warmachine is a game where you can pull of crazy stuff with ANYTHING so unlike say 40k or Xwing (hypothetically, not huge on xwing) a dick teaching WarM can take anything and kick in some teeth. Best I can say is play noobies and research your guys and eventually you will understand what castleng is too.

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disclaimer: this isn't trying to start a tyrade. If you hate women on your tabletop at any clothing level, thank you for letting us know.

What is the story behind the Bolter Bitches as slang for Sisters of Battle? The person who started the 40k thread referenced it as the reason he believed they wouldn't be safe around the rest of the armies and players of the game. Is there a story behind this term on SA?

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An Angry Bug posted:

Exactly. Keep your porn at home. I want to play a game, not look at what you jack off to.

This is verbatim what you should say to a person with dark elves or wood elves or the Old Witch of Khador when you see them place it greasilly on the table. Perhaps they will run their tongue unconciously over chapped lips as their paw retracts, perhaps with a hint of remorse, from their lust objects. I am sure it will help them see the error of their ways and help them walk down a female free, less sin-soaked path. You should link them this thread on you apple device for reinforcement of proper ways to think of the fairer gender.

On a completely opposite point has anyone read the latest Cosmopolitan? They didn't have anything labout Warhammer fest suprisingly but there were a bunch of really good articles about 69 new ways to heat up your summer nights.

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JcDent posted:

Things I learned to be impossible while reading this and the unspiration thread:
*Playing WWII Germans without being a Nazi (unless you paint them pink)
*Playing with titty models without it being some sort of magical realm ploy

Also, considering that some women have called themselves "cumberbitches", "bolter bitches" doesn't sound too bad. Then again, Sororitas don't have an "attitude", so it isn't exactly fitting.

Devils advocate here but Sisters do, in fact, have a bolter and a less then pleasant interaction with people of less devout paths. Most sisters have an almost violent reaction to heresy making then, proverbially, kinda bitchy.

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JerryLee posted:

Are you an osiris parachute account? Serious question.

Haha nono I am not him nor do I agree with him , I'm just placing that statement in the hypothetical real world situation it would be used unironically. people raging about gender styles like it's a crusade annoy me.

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Got the link to this video? I was suprised how good a job GW did on their new game promo.

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In no particular relation to this topic Bridgette the sexy and topless french maid was in the top 10 selling models out of Reapers lines. Also those little squeeze bottles for some reason. I've read somewhere the porn industry now makes more then Hollywood per year, citation needed.

Smut is literally everywhere. People do it not because of personal values but because they like gigantic piles of money. I mean like... gigantic heaving mounds here.

Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 21:26 on May 5, 2015

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Every time this topic comes up Kingdom Death gets a bunch of hits on their site and their creators laugh and roll around in a big bathtub of money.

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Did you hear the new Marine codex will be out soon? It's not quite Eldar level delay. Money right now is a Nerf to centurians, bikes, thunderfire or stern guard vets. Not as easy to guess buffs but something with termites, dreads, or assault vets. Random buffs and nerfs will, of course, occur. My current money at the local bookie says, at most, one new box. Fluff will be a lazy rehash as well as most art. Cost will be 60 and not include titties or topless marines doing workouts.

Source: frontline games
Also lol at ever getting a real Sisters update.

Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 22:09 on May 5, 2015

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Realtalk: if you were casting your game idea into the pits of the Internet trolling for money, would you add buxom bouncing beauties if, in return, it allowed you to make enough to get the project off the ground? For this arguement say it doubled the kickstarter money because folks keep bringing it up as an example, or you can triple your money if it's the example in REALLY poor taste.
In the last page Kingdom Death and Conan have been referred to multiple times for example. Try googling their kickstarters. Hint... bathtubs of money.

Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 22:20 on May 5, 2015

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I don't know that's why I am asking something awful to be my moral compass. I would do a lot for 3 million dollars and putting topless waifs in my dream miniatures game to make THREE MILLION DOLLARS is actually *really* far down that list.

Do you think furries in cowboy hats would increase that amount? Can you provide examples like above? None of my points are in any way fictional and are only slightly trolling, this is a serious question.

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Both excellent replies!
To be the devil's advocate here, Reaper has a topless french maid in their top 10 selling miniatures. I dont know enough about Mantic. The point I would like to make is that attractive ladies in a game do seem to increase profit. GW elf lines have many elf cake in them, including topless elves and some giant furry elves even. Kingdom Death... no more need be said. The Conan game I bring up because of the 3 million kickstarter. Kings of War got like 2 pages of free advertising in the GW death thread. These examples do seen to point to correlation, someone likes these models.

...And murdering kittens.

Doctor Borris fucked around with this message at 22:49 on May 5, 2015

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Did you guys see that GW has decided the best way to make money is to just rerelease all their codexes mixed in with a couple new models? This last year we've seen some really tepid rewrites, an ork rewrite they wish hadn't happened, and I hear the Eldar were decent.

I haven't heard much about the AdMech multi codex cash grab actually. Are they rules just solidly average? I love the mechanicus mad science vibe, so lack of buzz makes me think they are like that weird guard release with the Taurox. IE kinda bad in the current meta.

Leper you wrote a wonderful discussion of how TSR flooded it's market, parallels?

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The Supreme Court posted:

You guys know Doctor Borris is clearly satirical, right? His posts in the bad thread are top notch.


Thanks! Sexuality in miniatures is super enraging for some reason. My post are trying to point out that there are real monatary values to it. If a person wanted to make an amazing board game but ALSO wanted to roll around in a pool full of dollar bills instead of water, it might be a good idea to hedge the bets.

Also regarding the Conan model, they did put a shirt on him but not on B right? I remember a lot of the controversy was Conan was modeled as way more slim and clothed unlike his warrior maiden friend.

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You should ask your SO if the models offend her before making those calls . Except phrase it as asking if she likes them.

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The new Mechanicus forces. Brilliantly designed googlie eyed robots or kinda tepid cash grabs? They only have gene replicators, no D at all, so are they a Herald of The Fall or something origional from Nottingham?

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Comics were pretty wild all through the 50s too. It's one of the reason the draconian comics code was passed. Pulp novels were just as reflected in their illustrated bretheren.

Leper, the heavy metal vibe still has wide appeal I would wager.

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Seriously Moolah.
it's like someone nuked the Dwarven hold underneath GW HQ in some bizarre apocalypse and you're the warped AI trying to to make sense of it all.
I hope you don't need me to say more here. This is the end of the line.

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