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nullEntityRNG
Jun 23, 2010


Goddamn comcast gives me great internet (100 down, 20 up) but a lovely 300gb cap every month. If I go over, they'll charge me 10 dollars for 50gb more! 10 whole dollars! I could buy myself an icon with that kind of money.

But I seriously ask, why the gently caress do we have bandwidth caps? I mean sure, yes, the network can only handle so much information a second, and having everyone torrent the entire season of [comedy anime option here] can put a strain on an infrastructure, but aren't we actually beyond such limitations? Is this just a way to grab cheap bucks? I am actually quite curious.

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Ghostsauce
Jun 4, 2005

scared you didnt i lmbo

make more money and buy more data

Dexters Secret
Sep 8, 2008

We could care less what others think about is, but at times, we do care and we fall apart. But when we do fall apart, we put each other back together. We do all this and we ask nothing in return. We are Onii and Imouto.


It happens when there's not enough competition in the area. HTH.

bigzak
Aug 15, 2003


No clue I don't have bandwidth caps hope that helps

Distortoise
Dec 29, 2013



nullEntityRNG posted:

comcast gives me great internet
This is as universally false a statement as the existence of gravity is true.

Stick Figure Mafia
Dec 11, 2004

We've run outta retro!

I was gonna upload a 10gb gif but imgur wont let me. Stop downloadin' anime and pirating warezez op.

friends watch porn
May 7, 2007



you're hosed up, op

pack it up and move someplace else

G.I. Jaw
Mar 26, 2003

More cake, Mrs. Tuffington?


nullEntityRNG posted:

But I seriously ask, why the gently caress do we have bandwidth caps? I mean sure, yes, the network can only handle so much information a second, and having everyone torrent the entire season of [comedy anime option here] can put a strain on an infrastructure, but aren't we actually beyond such limitations? Is this just a way to grab cheap bucks? I am actually quite curious.

Enlighten yourself, OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f99PcP0aFNE

brizna
Oct 18, 2001


Forced artificial scarcity, op (farts)

nullEntityRNG
Jun 23, 2010


Distortoise posted:

This is as universally false a statement as the existence of gravity is true.

Oh poo poo. Right. I meant to say SUBJECTIVELY good internet.


So its... not a dump truck. Huh.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007
OXYGEN
THIEF


nullEntityRNG posted:

aren't we actually beyond such limitations? Is this just a way to grab cheap bucks? I am actually quite curious.

yes we are and yes it is

other countries make fun of us for putting up with it but what are you going to do it's either them or AT&T (if you're lucky enough to even have that choice)

yay monopolies

nullEntityRNG
Jun 23, 2010


Moridin920 posted:

yes we are and yes it is

other countries make fun of us for putting up with it but what are you going to do it's either them or AT&T (if you're lucky enough to even have that choice)

yay monopolies

There is a company in my state that's trying to instal fiber and muscle in on Comcast's cockhold on this place. Only 2% of the 45% needed has signed up for it yet.

Marijuana
May 8, 2011

It was fucking wonderful. It was fucking hell.

that bandwidth cap is really lovely but i only ever had a problem with it when i lived with a roommate who downloaded every single episode of doctor who, stargate sg-1, dark shadows, loving big bang theory, etc. he also never shut down his bittorrent client or managed his uploads. he would go days at a time uploading at max rate and then we'd hit the cap and WELP it's only the 10th of the month.

but yeah gently caress comcast.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

Entropy comin'

American isps are literally a data cartel op

you irl
Jan 22, 2014


Better stop posting to save data

Horace
Apr 17, 2007

Gone Skiin'



Marijuana posted:

that bandwidth cap is really lovely but i only ever had a problem with it when i lived with a roommate who downloaded every single episode of doctor who, stargate sg-1, dark shadows, loving big bang theory, etc. he also never shut down his bittorrent client or managed his uploads. he would go days at a time uploading at max rate and then we'd hit the cap and WELP it's only the 10th of the month.

that man is a saint.

Marijuana
May 8, 2011

It was fucking wonderful. It was fucking hell.

Horace posted:

that man is a saint.

there are like 700 episodes of doctor who. he might watch them all by 2025.

Distortoise
Dec 29, 2013



The Protagonist posted:

American isps are literally a data cartel op
Still worse here in Canada, and that's like one of the very very few ways Canada is worse than America. Bell and Rogers each have one of Canada's nuts and they're tugging in either direction for control.

Putty
Mar 21, 2013

Don't fuck with this Senator.


2 GB is like 30 bucks on a phone plan you entitled poo poo



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1sQWdcZdP4

Mr. Cool Ass
Mar 4, 2007

I Terrorism


I also have Comcast but



apparently they don't give a poo poo in this area. Sucks to be you.

uG
Apr 23, 2003

they knew


comcast posted:

Data usage:

315GB as of January 25, 2014
View Details Note: Enforcement of the 250GB data consumption threshold is currently suspended.

heheh suckers

Marijuana
May 8, 2011

It was fucking wonderful. It was fucking hell.

Mr. Cool Ice posted:

I also have Comcast but



apparently they don't give a poo poo in this area. Sucks to be you.

the might have been court-ordered to cut it out? idk and i'm not going to research this question

plape tickler
Oct 20, 2012


What do they charge you a month? I'm paying $95 for 100 mbit down, 10 mbit up. They started a monthly cap last year based on the data package you purchase. Having no choice and no competitors is really nice.

plape tickler fucked around with this message at Jan 26, 2014 around 02:16

Yivgev
May 18, 2004

i brought my +1 ak-47



American telco companies (especially cable internet) are an evil and corrupt cartel paying out unreasonably huge dividends to shareholders every year while simultaneously whining that any regulation whatsoever would DISCOURAGE INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE which they aren't doing because they pay all that money out as shareholder dividends.

They're evil and the government agency charged with regulating them is a revolving-door shill for telecom companies, op.

spengler
Aug 25, 2004

a red scare
on a pale mare


stop pirating poo poo, problem solved

nullEntityRNG
Jun 23, 2010


plape tickler posted:

What do they charge you a month? I'm paying $95 for 100 mbit down, 10 mbit up. They started a monthly cap based on your data plan last year. Having no choice and no competitors is really nice.

About 40 bucks a month. My roomates bundled their television stuff with it, so the bill is actually like 100 a month. But since I don't watch TV, I just get away for paying the internet portion of it.

I used to be under the "Oh hey we're not enforcing that cap" but for some odd reason they took it off when I never actually broke the cap (that often)

Thanks comcast.

Marijuana
May 8, 2011

It was fucking wonderful. It was fucking hell.

i know it's not going to happen but i really hope that the fcc classifies the internet as a utility

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006
GTVA Celois

Yivgev posted:

American telco companies (especially cable internet) are an evil and corrupt cartel paying out unreasonably huge dividends to shareholders every year while simultaneously whining that any regulation whatsoever would DISCOURAGE INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE which they aren't doing because they pay all that money out as shareholder dividends.

They're evil and the government agency charged with regulating them is a revolving-door shill for telecom companies, op.

Sorry but it's still 10x worse here in New Zealand. America has pretty loving cheap, accessible, fast and least-restricted compared to most countries hth

Yaos
Feb 22, 2003

She is a cat of significant gravy.

Caps exist to push the telco services over 3rd party services. If it actually had to do with bandwidth usage they would change your max speed based on peak usage not per month usage.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

The last thing Killstealing sees before his mustache ride.

~*~Straight Balling~*~


lol datacaps, go live in a first world country

gggiiimmmppp
Feb 15, 2004

Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

Cox started notifying me that I was exceeding a cap that never existed before last summer, but when I called them they told me it was just a suggestion to try to coerce me into buying a more expensive plan

So now they just send me a nagging email once a month

SpazmasterX
Jul 13, 2006

Wrong about everything XIV related
~fartz~


How do you use 300 gigs in a month? I torrent a bunch of anime and play online games constantly and never break 100.

uG
Apr 23, 2003

they knew


perhaps torrenting anime and playing games constantly arent as demanding an activity as you think?

gggiiimmmppp
Feb 15, 2004

Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

SpazmasterX posted:

How do you use 300 gigs in a month? I torrent a bunch of anime and play online games constantly and never break 100.

this guy probably downloads his pirated media in SD heh

nullEntityRNG
Jun 23, 2010


SpazmasterX posted:

How do you use 300 gigs in a month? I torrent a bunch of anime and play online games constantly and never break 100.

I watched the entire AGDQ 14 like... 3 times

That and steam.

2 Track EP
May 29, 2009
I think defending victims of child rape is tumblr SJW PC extremism. Kids lie about being raped all the time, I know because I work with them.

Can someone post a 2GB gif?

Yivgev
May 18, 2004

i brought my +1 ak-47



Marijuana posted:

i know it's not going to happen but i really hope that the fcc classifies the internet as a utility

The problem is that the FCC reclassified cable broadband as an "information service" around 2002 (I think, might have been a few years earlier) which means they're no longer subject to the same kinds of requirements as common carrier services like telephones.

The practical effect of this is pretty easy to understand. Remember back in the late 90s how you could buy dial-up internet service from one of like three hundred different companies? All these ISPs were able to lease the necessary number of phone lines to run a dial-up ISP service effectively and they were able to lease those lines at a low enough price to be able to make a profit on their service. This is because regular telephone service is classified as a "common carrier" service which, among other things, means that the phone company is legally required to sell you as much phone service as you want for a reasonable price.

When the FCC reclassified cable internet service as an "information service" this meant that it was not a common carrier service. Comcast, for example, is not legally required to open up their cable infrastructure to a paying customer. This is more or less why you don't really see independent cable internet offerings - if a company wants to start offering cable internet they either have to buy infrastructure or build infrastructure, which is insanely expensive.


This reclassification led to other unforeseen problems down the road, most notably with net neutrality regulations (the most recent incarnation of which was struck down by the D.C. Circuit just last week). Cable companies and associated trade groups essentially argue that the FCC doesn't have sufficient jurisdiction to regulate broadband internet in any meaningful fashion. If the FCC hadn't reclassified broadband internet as an "information service" then they could just simply say "No, sorry, its a telecom service. We have explicit jurisdiction to regulate that. It says so right here in the Act."

Instead the FCC has to employ this bizarre shotgun approach, citing huge numbers of disparate statutory sections in the Telecommunications Act as proof that Congress delegated to them the legal authority to regulate broadband internet or, alternatively, that that jurisdiction is implied. Its an absolutely torturous argument to make. This is why the last two net neutrality cases (Comcast v. FCC and Verizon v. FCC) have been such resounding defeats for the FCC - the jurisdictional basis upon which they claim to be making these rules doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.


So yeah, it would solve a ton of problems if the FCC just reclassified cable broadband internet as a telecommunications service and regulated it that way. IMO that would seem to be the FCC's only real option at this point if they're serious about either net neutrality or broadband regulation in general. They've already tried to push the ancillary jurisdiction argument on two separate occasions and it failed both times.

Too bad the FCC is (mostly) staffed by spineless Telecom industry shills.

tl;dr: the FCC made a stupid decision in the early 2000s and now its preventing them from effectively regulating cable broadband. also i'm gay.

Yivgev
May 18, 2004

i brought my +1 ak-47



Xaris posted:

Sorry but it's still 10x worse here in New Zealand. America has pretty loving cheap, accessible, fast and least-restricted compared to most countries hth

yeah compared to most island nations and third world countries.

compared to the majority of first-world countries (advanced economies in east asia & europe) our internet infrastructure, price, and quality of service is absolutely hosed.

also using "hth" as some goony equivalent of a mic drop is loving retarded so please stop immediately.

e: not to imply that New Zealand and Australia aren't first-world countries - they're really good countries. Its just that they're seven billion miles away from everything else I guess? I don't know much about NZ / Aus internet policy and infrastructure.

Yivgev fucked around with this message at Jan 26, 2014 around 02:39

Angstrom
Nov 4, 2011




Xaris posted:

Sorry but it's still 10x worse here in New Zealand. America has pretty loving cheap, accessible, fast and least-restricted compared to most countries hth

I feel bad for you and Aussies, I've heard horror stories about the caps there.

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Marijuana
May 8, 2011

It was fucking wonderful. It was fucking hell.

Yivgev posted:

tl;dr: the FCC made a stupid decision in the early 2000s and now its preventing them from effectively regulating cable broadband. also i'm gay.

ah. so i can to blame this on george w. bush? that's pretty cool.

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