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Uranium 235 posted:In Arkansas, some sovereign citizen rear end in a top hat and his brainwashed son ambushed and murdered two police officers who had stopped them on an interstate (the son got out of the car with an AK-47 while the police were searching his dad). They were tracked down a short time later and another gunfight broke out in a Wal-Mart parking lot, during which the idiots were fatally shot by police. At the end their dog hops out of the smashed back window and runs off, is it a sovereign dog now? What does maritime law have to say about dogs?
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Uranium 235 posted:In Arkansas, some sovereign citizen rear end in a top hat and his brainwashed son ambushed and murdered two police officers who had stopped them on an interstate (the son got out of the car with an AK-47 while the police were searching his dad). They were tracked down a short time later and another gunfight broke out in a Wal-Mart parking lot, during which the idiots were fatally shot by police. One of the cops who got killed's dad was on 60 minutes talking about the whole movement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F_pY47hE5U The title tells you who posted it, making it even better. What a bunch of delusional assholes. You want to do your stupid paper terrorism and file billions in liens against judges and officers, knock yourselves you. Even better, you want to scam other clueless fucks out of money? Great. But you don't get to shoot people, particularly cops.
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Jan 31, 2014 19:39
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What the gently caress is with these microdicks? Most of it consists of fuckheads doing 10-15mp/h the limit then goading the police into beating them.... Are they really weird bdsm freaks?
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Jan 31, 2014 19:43
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If I were a po-lice I'd be real fuckin' prickly around any sovcit shithead after this. The patience of some of these guys just astounds me.
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Jan 31, 2014 19:47
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olylifter posted:One of the cops who got killed's dad was on 60 minutes talking about the whole movement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F_pY47hE5U Fuuuuuuck...  fake edit: god drat gently caress these lovely assholes who spread this retarded ideological cancer, drat them to hell i'm going shut up now before i say something 
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Jan 31, 2014 19:59
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Uranium 235 posted:In Arkansas, some sovereign citizen rear end in a top hat and his brainwashed son ambushed and murdered two police officers who had stopped them on an interstate (the son got out of the car with an AK-47 while the police were searching his dad). They were tracked down a short time later and another gunfight broke out in a Wal-Mart parking lot, during which the idiots were fatally shot by police. Horrible, do you have an article on that one? I'd like to read it That's kind of how I was thinking the DUI kid was going to turn out, when he went into his trunk/drivers side. Surprised the officer didn't handcuff him at that point
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Jan 31, 2014 20:10
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because of bodies but it's not actually very gory
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i really want more of those encounters to happen. A cop dies, a right-winger dies. This is a 100% win situation.
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Jan 31, 2014 20:16
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Ya'll a bunch of fagfgots. you don undertand our philosify of QUANTUM-LANGUAGE-PARSE-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR Sheep, go back to your FOR THE FORMS OF OUR PUNCTUATIONS ARE WITH THE CLAIM OF THE USE: FULL-COLON=POSITION-LODIO-FACTS, HYPHEN=COMPOUND-FACTS =KNOWN, PERIOD=END-THOUGHT, COMMA-PAUSE, AND LOCATION-TILDES WITH THE MEANINGS AND USES OF THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE FULL-COLON OF THE POSITION-LODIAL-FACT-PHRASE WITH THE FACT/KNOWN-TERM OF THE POSITIONAL-LODIO-FACT-PHRASE AND WITH THE VOID OF THE NOM-DE-GUERRE = DEAD-PERSON
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Prettz posted:i really want more of those encounters to happen. A cop dies, a right-winger dies. This is a 100% win situation. Too hosed up for GBS.
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Jan 31, 2014 20:18
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Yellow Jackson posted:Too hosed up for GBS.
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Jan 31, 2014 20:20
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Prettz posted:I hope you're kidding lol
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Jan 31, 2014 20:23
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Troglyfe posted:e: How are you supposed to tell the harmless crazies from the murderous crazies? This is all so depressing.
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Jan 31, 2014 20:29
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At about 4:30 into that Memphis massacre video you can hear Rush Limbaugh on the cops radio.
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Darth123123 posted:At about 4:30 into that Memphis massacre video you can hear Rush Limbaugh on the cops radio.
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Jan 31, 2014 20:32
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Awesome! posted:See here in america we just give them all guns and then we know when they start killing people. Pretty simple imo. As awful as this is (what is this something sensitive? rofl), I laughed. I'm going to go hug my dad now.
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Jan 31, 2014 20:38
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it's really weird that they think "law" is a basic fundamental truth of the universe, rather than something that everyone agrees on like id get it if they said what you're doing is morally wrong, but law is created because of the threat of force behind it. saying "you can't tell me what to do because the law says I'm free to do whatever I want" is meaningless if everyone agrees that the law doesn't work that way, law literally works the way people in power agree it works
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Prettz posted:i really want more of those encounters to happen. A cop dies, a right-winger dies. This is a 100% win situation. 
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Jan 31, 2014 20:49
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Prettz posted:i really want more of those encounters to happen. A cop dies, a right-winger dies. This is a 100% win situation.
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Jan 31, 2014 21:01
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I would wanna be the cop who slammed into their minivan.
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Jan 31, 2014 21:08
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K. Farb posted:I would wanna be the cop who slammed into their minivan. Not gonna lie, that was pretty cathartic to watch.
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Jan 31, 2014 21:25
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olylifter posted:This is insanely long for a non-Supreme Court level judgment (its 160 pages), but it covers everything you could ever possibly want to know about sovereign citizens and all the various offshoots. I know someone tangentially related to this. She called them all bonkers, in a high falutin british accent no less.
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Jan 31, 2014 21:28
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theflyingorc posted:it's really weird that they think "law" is a basic fundamental truth of the universe, rather than something that everyone agrees on Well it seems like a lot of them don't so much think that law is metaphysical, but more that they think the government has misled you about the actual power of the law. That they've created laws you don't have to follow but try to convince you you do- or that the extent of current laws are greater than the layman believes- and if you are smart enough you can just tell the police/courts/etc that you're opting out.
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Jan 31, 2014 21:32
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Prettz posted:i really want more of those encounters to happen. A cop dies, a right-winger dies. This is a 100% win situation. pretty much this. cops getting whats comin' to em is hilarious and idiots who don't understand anything behaving recklessly is hilarious too
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theflyingorc posted:it's really weird that they think "law" is a basic fundamental truth of the universe, rather than something that everyone agrees on Unfortunately, that's what an "inalienable" right is defined as. It's a universal and natural right, usually specified as a right not to be subjected to an action of or by another person or group. Blame the Declaration of Independence for that, since the concept of an inalienable right is literally in the second paragraph of the document that found the United States and became a model on how modern liberal democracies are formed. I'm not defending these douchebags, but that government, especially one that is of the people, for the people, and by the people, doesn't grant you rights, but recognizes them. Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Well it seems like a lot of them don't so much think that law is metaphysical, but more that they think the government has misled you about the actual power of the law. That they've created laws you don't have to follow but try to convince you you do- or that the extent of current laws are greater than the layman believes- and if you are smart enough you can just tell the police/courts/etc that you're opting out. Agreed. The sovereign citizens and freemen are trying to have it both ways. In how rights are supposed to work, a thief may have an obligation not to steal (because of the universal right to private property), and a police officer may have a obligation not to tackle people (because of the universal right to freedom from government interference), but if a thief violated someone's rights by stealing, then the police officer has an obligation to curbstomb the thief. What the sovereign citizens are trying to do is give them an out to violate other people's rights (like the guy trying to film the courthouse; those people behind the bailiffs are jurors and he's violating their privacy while they're on jury duty) while having the government (of the people with their own rights, mind you) respects their own. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Jan 31, 2014 |
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Well it seems like a lot of them don't so much think that law is metaphysical, but more that they think the government has misled you about the actual power of the law. That they've created laws you don't have to follow but try to convince you you do- or that the extent of current laws are greater than the layman believes- and if you are smart enough you can just tell the police/courts/etc that you're opting out. they do seem to think that cops, judges, whoever, are bound by some sort of rumpelstiltsken-esque power that can paralyze them if you say the right words to them
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QwertyAsher posted:they do seem to think that cops, judges, whoever, are bound by some sort of rumpelstiltsken-esque power that can paralyze them if you say the right words to them Someone see if saying Judge Judy's name backward will send that bitch back to hell.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Snipes#Tax_evasion_conviction ALWAYS BET ON BLACK EXCEPT IN MATTERS OF TAX EVASION also wesley snipes originally had lawyers @ the firm my buddy works for but he fired them after they wouldnt go forward with this insanity in court
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Just once, just once I want a cop to use the same tactic on them and get it on video. "So wait. Do you do not believe in any law unless it is agreed by yourself, correct?" "Correct." "So you don't think I have the Authority to arrest you?" "Correct." "So therefore, if you don't believe in the rules I have to follow, why do I have to follow your rules? And if there are no rules that are being agreed on, its Wet Willie time." *licks finger and gives wet willie*. Once the SC complains the cop just repeats "I do not agree to your law, I did not sign anything."
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theflyingorc posted:it's really weird that they think "law" is a basic fundamental truth of the universe, rather than something that everyone agrees on Whoa now, acknowledging construction of social reality is commie talk.
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Is there an intersection between these nuthuts and objectivists? Because if a bunch of them ended up living in their own little valley, I'd watch that show.
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Jan 31, 2014 21:58
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Woah, these guys are kinda like libertarians/objectivists/cops/MRAs/Bronies? Let's not try to get all the GBS topics in here at once gang.
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QwertyAsher posted:they do seem to think that cops, judges, whoever, are bound by some sort of rumpelstiltsken-esque power that can paralyze them if you say the right words to them if you catch a judge they have to give you their pot of gold if you grab a cop by the tail he must grant you 3 wishes bailiffs are weak to fire type and electric type, but strong against flying
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happyhippy posted:Just once, just once I want a cop to use the same tactic on them and get it on video. That's where their idea/scam of "fee schedules" come in. Part of their mumbo-jumbo is to try and convince people that they can force you into a unilateral contract that says they can charge you any amount of money (usually hundreds of thousands or millions) if you obstruct/harass/interfere with them. There's a sample in that big PDF so I'm not sure what it claims it does if you actually explicitly reject it (I think it tries to create some near-impossible route to explicitly dispute/deny it), but it's funny to imagine Apple trying the same thing. Just mailing out contracts in bulk mail that say "Here is a contract that binds you to buying an iphone from us. If you do not respond in 7 days we will assume you have agreed and already collected your iphone, and will owe us a sum of $500".
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is "sovereign citizen" fancy talk for "morons who run around with assault rifles in public to stir up poo poo with cops"
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Well it seems like a lot of them don't so much think that law is metaphysical, but more that they think the government has misled you about the actual power of the law. That they've created laws you don't have to follow but try to convince you you do- or that the extent of current laws are greater than the layman believes- and if you are smart enough you can just tell the police/courts/etc that you're opting out. They say poo poo like that -- people are just uninformed, ignorant about the truth, etc. -- even after they've been put through a legal system with no patience for their chicanery; a legal system that is perfectly fine with jailing a sovereign citizen for refusing to comply with regular courthouse procedure. They try their methods, they unavoidably fail because it's based on fantasy and wishful thinking, but it doesn't cause them to reconsider. Peep that one cat who got jailed for trying sovereign citizen poo poo to get out of a moving violation. He never succeeded with his "get out of jail free with this ONE WEIRD TRICK" schtick, yet he went on to lecture other sovereigns on "how to beat the system". Yet apparently none of them stop and ask him if he's actually tried his techniques and how it works out. Because he has tried his techniques, and they simply landed him in jail.
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THE PWNER posted:is "sovereign citizen" fancy talk for "morons who run around with assault rifles in public to stir up poo poo with cops" Slightly more nuanced. Some crazies with assault rifles run around with them because they know it's illegal and want to make a point. Sovereigns do it because they think that the laws of the US are invalid because the dungeon master forgot to say the proper incantation or whatever.
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ashgromnies posted:Slightly more nuanced. Some crazies with assault rifles run around with them because they know it's illegal and want to make a point. Sovereigns do it because they think that the laws of the US are invalid because the dungeon master forgot to say the proper incantation or whatever. Hey if a computer program generates my name and prints it as ALL CAPS on a form letter, that letter is instantly invalid. Everyone knows this!
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They believe that we live in a totalitarian, fascist, Orwellian state. But also that all you have to do to get out of being oppressed is fill out the proper form in triplicate.
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They believe that we live in a totalitarian, fascist, Orwellian state. But also that all you have to do to get out of being oppressed is fill out the proper form in triplicate.
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Sappo569 posted:Dude sounds pretty normal to me. God, yes. Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Woah, these guys are kinda like libertarians/objectivists/cops/MRAs/Bronies? Let's not try to get all the GBS topics in here at once gang. Also atheist PUA redditors.
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