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Thanks for the recommendations, if I end up reading any of them I'll post my impressions in more relevant threads. I'm curious about the inspiration for the series, eg: is the author deaf herself, or is it based on real attitudes towards disabled kids in Japanese society/schools?
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Bullying in japan comes to mind. I haven't the faintest clue how bad it is but then, young teenagers are hosed up anywhere.
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Mar 21, 2014 02:28
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It must be pretty accurate since there was a campaign to keep the story from being published since 'it painted the japanese society on an unflattering light'.
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Mar 21, 2014 08:32
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Japan, from what I have seen so YMMV, has a real issue of forcing every square problem through the same round hole with a who-cares attitude to the actual concerns and aftermath. Bullied because you are deaf? Just stop being deaf! 
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Mar 21, 2014 09:33
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Suben posted a link on page 3 about bullying in Japan from an American(?) perspective http://thisjapaneselife.org/2013/06/12/japan-ijime-bullies/
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Mar 22, 2014 01:21
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Translation of the next chapter floating around on /a/ drat everyone in this family loves Shouya now. Incoming mom suicide  e: vvv cripplingly low self-esteem doesn't count as a disability 
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Mar 25, 2014 18:41
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You know, at this point I'm starting to feel like this series is 'Can't see, Can't hear but Love' all over again  Edit: ^ I was thinking about how 'I can't hear..' mixed funny and lighthearted chapters with soul crushing despair. The chapter is already up on Crunchyroll or your reader of trust, the author keeps sending curveballs 
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Mar 25, 2014 18:45
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ok i actually went and read Can't See and this comic has absolutely nothing on that. when even the loving dog has a tragic backstory you know things are getting sad. also where the gently caress is the conclusion
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Mar 28, 2014 05:03
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New comic is up in Chinese. Pretty cute chapter after a kind of heartbreaking intro to how Shouko's mom got such a bad break. Pretty much only Shimada left to humanize? Well Ueno too, but she might be a lost cause. Reaction to Shouya and co. trying to cheer up Shouko's sister is classic.
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Mar 31, 2014 03:52
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Haha, oh my god. This comic is some sort of olympics for most loathsome human being ever. Can we have Ueno back now? Also, Ishida continues his streak of most awkward dude ever
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Apr 1, 2014 03:31
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/comics_read?volume_id=763&chapter_num=32.00 Chapter's out Man, and here I thought Ueno was bad... Shouko's dad is a loving rear end in a top hat 
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Apr 2, 2014 04:48
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:http://www.crunchyroll.com/comics_read?volume_id=763&chapter_num=32.00 There's always someone bigger, better, or more dickish than you, I guess?
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Apr 2, 2014 04:51
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So I guess they don't have any child support laws in Japan? And now Shoya is starting to act like a cat. "I got you a present. It's a dead bird. Do you like it?" 
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Apr 2, 2014 05:38
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Shouko's dad is a loving rear end in a top hat Not just that. His entire side of the family are a bunch of unmitigated unlikable shitheads. Them all running out when they did was probably the best result for Shouko and Yuzuru, honestly, even if it still wasn't good.
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Apr 2, 2014 05:51
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gently caress everything jesus christ. That family. Still a heartwarming end but still.
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Dragonatrix posted:Not just that. His entire side of the family are a bunch of unmitigated unlikable shitheads. Them all running out when they did was probably the best result for Shouko and Yuzuru, honestly, even if it still wasn't good. Given that the event made Shouko's mom subscribe to the Heihachi Mishima school of child rearing...
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Apr 2, 2014 08:01
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I don't know if that's a realistic stance over there but her father and relatives acted way too cartoony evil for this series, I mean, even people who hated Ueno's guts had to admit what she said had some degree of sense even if it's wrong.
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The saddest part about it is that it's NOT that unrealistic. And not Japan-exclusive, even. They didn't want to taint their pure family blood with a defective child so they disowned it and the mother who gave birth to it. My grandmother was similar, outright refusing to speak to partners of her children that she didn't approve of. My sister once told me about a child with downs syndrome she babysat, whose parents got a divorce because the father was disappointed that they produced "damaged goods". It's unfortunate, but it happens, though maybe not as often to the extent shown here.
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Apr 2, 2014 16:31
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The divorce over Shouko isn't the unrealistic part, it's that the husband's family was so loving evil about it and went as far as to blame Shouko's mom or say that it was karma or something. The thing is, this is hot blooded shonen romance we're talking about. Scenes that could have suggested something through subtext instead bring everything to the surface, and while no characters are really evil their actions are unquestionably either bad or good. Considering that this is an all ages story about a topic that really doesn't have anything other than obvious right or wrongs, this is exactly how it should be. While they might have gone too far in this chapter, I'd rather they do that than suddenly try to make things "realistic" by adding moral grey areas. That simply isn't what kind of story this is.
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The Devil Tesla posted:The divorce over Shouko isn't the unrealistic part, it's that the husband's family was so loving evil about it and went as far as to blame Shouko's mom or say that it was karma or something. The thing is, this is hot blooded shonen romance we're talking about. Scenes that could have suggested something through subtext instead bring everything to the surface, and while no characters are really evil their actions are unquestionably either bad or good. Considering that this is an all ages story about a topic that really doesn't have anything other than obvious right or wrongs, this is exactly how it should be. People are like this, my sister have special needs and when I used to accompany her an my mom to therapy I met plenty of kids that suffered things like that. Is easier to bail and blame the other party than face things and work towards the kid well being.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:People are like this, my sister have special needs and when I used to accompany her an my mom to therapy I met plenty of kids that suffered things like that. Is easier to bail and blame the other party than face things and work towards the kid well being. Oh I know, but were they all told it was divine punishment or something like that? Actually wait that probably happens a lot ignore me.
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The Devil Tesla posted:Oh I know, but were they all told it was divine punishment or something like that? Actually wait that probably happens a lot ignore me. You have no idea
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The Devil Tesla posted:Oh I know, but were they all told it was divine punishment or something like that? Actually wait that probably happens a lot ignore me. It does, here in a the UK a famous football manager and noted religious nut got into a lot of trouble for suggesting that disabilities were some sort of divine punishment.
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Even though I'm sure it happens in the real world a lot of the time, and having a deaf child is no doubt a serious challenge but doing everything you can to abandon your own child just because things didn't go the way you want is beyond scumbag. I'm glad the grandmother pointed out it wasn't the end of the world.
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Nitpicking here, but this better have the happiest damned ending of all time. I want my computer screen to shine so brightly I am burned away by the overwhelming sense of saccharine.
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The thing that makes this seem cartoonishly evil is that she's deaf, and I don't want to  at all and belittle the challenges faced by parents of deaf children, but it could be orders of magnitudes worse. If that's all it took to detonate the family, there can't have been much of a family there to begin with, you know? I don't doubt that this sort of thing happens more often than I'd like to think about in families with disabled children, though. It's far more off-putting given the context because when it's bullying at school, kids are stupid and don't have a moral compass calibrated yet, but when it's coming from adults it's completely reprehensible. If there's anything I'm glad for, it's that the whole thing was very condensed and got the point across very clearly. It's a necessary step in the characterization of the mother, but didn't need to be lingered on lest it drag everything down with it. That aside, I like how every time compliments fly in this manga, they're like a bullet pointed list that gets more ridiculously hammy with each point. I was half expecting another "This bread is also good bread". Solanumai fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Yeah, the parents are pantomime villains. It was interesting to read the latest chapter after watching the first few episodes of Switched at Birth*, which features a deaf girl as one of the main characters. The reaction to her deafness isn't nearly as bad as in this, but there's a similar scene where the girl's parent is blamed for 'allowing' the child to contract the disease that causes the deafness. In the case of SaB it was meningitis, which is slightly different to a virus during pregnancy, but obviously blame is inappropriate in either situation. *I'm three episodes in and probably won't watch any more since the acting (deaf girl aside) is hammy and the writing has a certain sentimentality that puts me off. The usual ABC Family stuff. It's interesting to see the similarities and differences between the two stories, though.
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Chas McGill posted:Yeah, the parents are pantomime villains. It was interesting to read the latest chapter after watching the first few episodes of Switched at Birth*, which features a deaf girl as one of the main characters. The reaction to her deafness isn't nearly as bad as in this, but there's a similar scene where the girl's parent is blamed for 'allowing' the child to contract the disease that causes the deafness. In the case of SaB it was meningitis, which is slightly different to a virus during pregnancy, but obviously blame is inappropriate in either situation. The big difference would probably be that in SaB, being set in an American environment there will always be a huge network of support for people like that. Its openly acknowledged and parents are encouraged to get help from other people dealing with the same issue. In Japan its probably more like "keep it as hidden as possible and don't talk about with anyone"
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pentyne posted:The big difference would probably be that in SaB, being set in an American environment there will always be a huge network of support for people like that. Its openly acknowledged and parents are encouraged to get help from other people dealing with the same issue. ahahahahahahahaha that's just precious. Maybe if you're lucky enough to be middle class in the northeast
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pentyne posted:The big difference would probably be that in SaB, being set in an American environment there will always be a huge network of support for people like that. Its openly acknowledged and parents are encouraged to get help from other people dealing with the same issue. white people.txt
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pentyne posted:The big difference would probably be that in SaB, being set in an American environment there will always be a huge network of support for people like that. Its openly acknowledged and parents are encouraged to get help from other people dealing with the same issue. I cannot believe you wrote that
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A big flaming stink posted:ahahahahahahahaha that's just precious. Maybe if you're lucky enough to be middle class in the northeast Its nice that so many people still think so highly of humanity.
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The Deaf Community isn't all sunshine and rainbows either. I'm reminded of the deaf parents who didn't want their child to be able to hear (there was some surgery or hearing aid or something available) because they thought it would distance her from their community. Deaf people literally have their own language, so it's not much of a surprise that they've developed their own isolated subculture.
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Clarste posted:Deaf people literally have their own language More than one, even.
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Apr 5, 2014 01:28
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What ever happened to Sho's mom's Brazilian boyfriend?
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Apr 5, 2014 05:13
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It was his sister's boyfriend; they had a kid and then he left her. Shouya picks up his niece in one of the chapters.
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Apr 5, 2014 05:19
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The implied teen pregnancy drama happened offscreen.
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New chapter's up on Crunchyroll Compared to last week we have less outright evil and more everyday selfishness from our antagonists.
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jackofarcades posted:New chapter's up on Crunchyroll Also, Nagatsuka being a startlingly good artist.
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What a great chapter  So is possible for the handsome guy to be legit? I don't know if I could stand another wolf on sheep clothing 
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