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Well that was kind of what made Tassadar so impressive, he could wield both and used them to kill the first Overmind. The Archons in SC2 were originally named Twilight Archons and had the Feedback ability that High Templar have now, they were changed early in the WOL Beta to just be Archons and only have their main attack like in SC2.
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We'll probably get Twilight/Dark Archons in the LotV campaign even if they don't ever have them in MP, same as we can potentially get Lurkers back in HotS. We'll get to hear more about how awesome Tassadar-kun was during Zeratul's missions.
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Apr 17, 2014 15:03
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Zebrin posted:I am thinking about this way too much... Also, is there a Brood Wars LP I can watch somewhere? I know exactly nothing about the events that happened in it, and it sounds like they were semi-important.
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Apr 17, 2014 15:57
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Veyrall posted:I know the feels buddy. I once spent an entire afternoon figuring out ways to implement decking into the Shadowrun game back before it was released. These kinds of thought exercises are fun. A bunch of guys come from Earth and try to create a new Overmind by combining most of the Cerebrates together, Kerrigan teams up with and then brutally betrays basically everyone besides them because she's queen bitch of the loving universe, the Earth guys get their poo poo stomped and their new Overmind gets killed dead. There's also a dude who claims to be working for the Xel'Naga despite them being ostensibly extinct.
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Apr 17, 2014 16:06
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Suspect Bucket posted:Actually, on second thought, a lot of the terran vehicle designs in Starcraft seemed to have the "Can be drawn by a bored 6th Grader on All Notebooks" requirement. If you look at some of Metzen's art in the Starcraft manual you'll find this is essentially accurate, yes. 
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Apr 17, 2014 16:21
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Feinne posted:A bunch of guys come from Earth and try to create a new Overmind by combining most of the Cerebrates together, Kerrigan teams up with and then brutally betrays basically everyone besides them because she's queen bitch of the loving universe, the Earth guys get their poo poo stomped and their new Overmind gets killed dead. There's also a dude who claims to be working for the Xel'Naga despite them being ostensibly extinct. The Cerebrates combined on their own. The Earth guys just drugged the infant Overmind to hell and back and used it to take control over most of the Zerg. (And boy do they brag about it) They probably would have won if their incompetent leader didn't have the only guy with the guts and brains to confront him about his fuckups shot. Also, the Protoss use a superweapon to murder every Zerg on Shakuras and never mention it again.
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Apr 17, 2014 16:25
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Psion posted:If you look at some of Metzen's art in the Starcraft manual you'll find this is essentially accurate, yes. He's like space-Johnny Fiveaces
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Apr 17, 2014 16:30
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Veyrall posted:Also, is there a Brood Wars LP I can watch somewhere? I know exactly nothing about the events that happened in it, and it sounds like they were semi-important. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2EC8D4TNL4 This is a nice bridge between being almost as in-depth as an LP while still keeping things to their bulletpoints. It focuses primarily on Raynor, Kerrigan, and Zeratul--so it will hit the parts of the story that are most relevant to SC2. It does completely avoid Raynor's friendship with the Protoss, the end of pre-expansion SC1, and the ending of Brood War, but it is good for how short it is, I think.
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Apr 17, 2014 16:30
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Synastren posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2EC8D4TNL4 It's rather misleading as far as the story goes. Is this what the SC story regarding those 3 has been retconned to?
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Apr 17, 2014 16:43
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The Casualty posted:He's like space-Johnny Fiveaces Just as we discussed Zeratul being super anime, Raynor being "literally space Johnny Fiveaces" is a pretty accurate statement. If you could have somehow gotten the Zybourne Clock to Metzen that game would exist because he'd be all over it.
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The Casualty posted:He's like space-Johnny Fiveaces  how did I not put those together? holy poo poo.
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my dad posted:It's rather misleading as far as the story goes. Is this what the SC story regarding those 3 has been retconned to? Yes, basically. I thought it would be better to highlight the relevant parts that Blizzard acknowledged rather than the story as a whole.  ed: If you want a longer, more comprehensive (like, longer than an hour) summary of StarCraft, this guy has a ten-part series that tries to summarize SC1 and BW. Synastren fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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Apr 17, 2014 17:02
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Psion posted:If you look at some of Metzen's art in the Starcraft manual you'll find this is essentially accurate, yes. I photocopied that in the teachers lounge when running a TOTALY LEGIT ERRAND FOR A TEACHER and taped it to my spanish notebook. I thought I was such a badass.
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Apr 17, 2014 17:53
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Synastren posted:ed: If you want a longer, more comprehensive (like, longer than an hour) summary of StarCraft, this guy has a ten-part series that tries to summarize SC1 and BW. Oh, hey, it includes that amazing "First Contact" fan video. I remember having a short chat on Youtube with the creator. Incredibly talented guy, I think he's Romanian? Anyway, he made the entire video alone, and Tassadar's voice actor liked it so much that he recorded Tassadar's lines for free.
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Apr 17, 2014 19:30
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my dad posted:Oh, hey, it includes that amazing "First Contact" fan video. I remember having a short chat on Youtube with the creator. Incredibly talented guy, I think he's Romanian? Anyway, he made the entire video alone, and Tassadar's voice actor liked it so much that he recorded Tassadar's lines for free. Michael Gough (who was Tassadar's voice actor in original Starcraft) always struck me as a pretty cool guy given he went along with the Deckard Cain Rap for Diablo 2 (yes, Michael Gough is also Deckard Cain). So since Tassadar is Protoss Jesus and is in the credits I don't think it's a terrible spoiler to say we'll hear him talk in some form or fashion during one of Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm and will mention he's now voiced by Michael Dorn. I suspect for largely the same reason someone we'll meet a bit down the road in Wings is voiced by Armin Shimerman.
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Apr 17, 2014 20:18
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Synastren posted:Yes, basically. Even watching that summary I still don't understand why Mengsk abandoned Kerrigan to the zerg. Was the fleet in danger of getting pinned down? Did he think Kerrigan was getting too willful and ditched her to prevent a later power struggle? It just seems like ridiculous mustache twirling own-foot-shooting villainy to kill your own best agents like that.
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Apr 17, 2014 21:02
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Crigit posted:Even watching that summary I still don't understand why Mengsk abandoned Kerrigan to the zerg. Was the fleet in danger of getting pinned down? Did he think Kerrigan was getting too willful and ditched her to prevent a later power struggle? It just seems like ridiculous mustache twirling own-foot-shooting villainy to kill your own best agents like that.
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Apr 17, 2014 21:06
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JT Jag posted:Maybe he was just angling to kill anyone who had detailed knowledge regarding his rise to power? All Stalin-style. Kerrigan was one of the Ghosts who killed his father. Yes, really. No, it's never mentioned in the games.
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Apr 17, 2014 21:12
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Or probably an extraction attempt would've been in vain and Mengsk marked it as acceptable losses. Because he's a dick that way. Or whatever Cyth said, whatever.
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Apr 17, 2014 21:12
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Yeah, I think it was all part of his effort to cover up his own role in the destruction of Tarsonis. He probably didn't count on any of the few people who knew about what was going on caring that he'd left her to die.Cythereal posted:Kerrigan was one of the Ghosts who killed his father. Yes, really. No, it's never mentioned in the games. Yeah that too. Mengsk is not a forgive and forget kind of guy after all.
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Apr 17, 2014 21:15
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Cythereal posted:Kerrigan was one of the Ghosts who killed his father. Yes, really. No, it's never mentioned in the games. Wait, what? Didn't he personally rescue her from some weird experiment investigating human/zerg psionic interactions when she was a child or something? How long do humans live in the starcraft universe?
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Crigit posted:Wait, what? Didn't he personally rescue her from some weird experiment investigating human/zerg psionic interactions when she was a child or something? How long do humans live in the starcraft universe? She was 16 when she killed Mengsk's father, having been forcibly recruited to the Ghost program eight years prior and tortured into compliance. At some point after that she was the only survivor of a Confederate experiment involving using psionics to control Zerg and Mengsk 'rescued' her from the facility. He used her to get revenge on the other ghosts who'd been involved in the attack on his family and then claimed that he'd forgiven her, which given it's Arcturus Mengsk and he's physically incapable of being truthful was clearly a lie. It should also be noted that for much of this process her memories of what had happened were fragmentary at best because of all the crazy hosed up stuff the Confederacy had done to her. She actually never really recovers from it while she's human, shortly after being infested she learns what was done and is able to repair it. Feinne fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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Apr 17, 2014 21:23
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Feinne posted:She was 16 when she killed Mengsk's father, having been forcibly recruited to the Ghost program eight years prior and tortured into compliance. That is a very Blizzard backstory. Also, pretty hosed up to hold Kerrigan responsible for that. edit: ^^^^^ Ah, the details you added with your edit sort out the situation pretty nicely. Thanks, the situation makes sense to me now. Crigit fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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Crigit posted:That is a very Blizzard backstory. Also, pretty hosed up to hold Kerrigan responsible for that.
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DFlux posted:My Name is Kaz went through SC1 and Broodwar on his twitch channel so if you wanna know what goes on in the 1st two games you can watch that. http://www.twitch.tv/kazeugma/profile/pastBroadcasts I've been slowly watching through these and yeah...... It took until New Gettysburg, Terran mission 9/10, until Kaz considered not massing Marines and marching them across the map. Where I'm at in the video, he decided to keep building almost exclusively marines and is doing pretty well. I guess the OP was 100% right about SC1 missions being pretty boring and easy
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I miss Duke. He was a great "Who the hell put this dumb hick in charge?" character.
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Feinne posted:We'll probably get Twilight/Dark Archons in the LotV campaign even if they don't ever have them in MP, same as we can potentially get Lurkers back in HotS. Lurkers were completely built and included in WoL, but never came up. I did a lot of custom map wankery (had a menagerie of awesome units), and saw Lurkers in the unit options. They were a little wooden but otherwise fully featured.
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he meant 'potentially' as in they're one of the units you could get in the single player campaign. Lurkers were a pretty iconic unit in Brood War, they got pulled late in WOL's development. I don't think blizzard has any problem with leaving finished material in the builder that they've removed for balance/multiplayer reasons, like the Tauren marines or the Hydralisk in WC3, according to the SCwiki, Twilight Archons didn't make it much out of the planning phases before they became their current incarnation.
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Psion posted:If you look at some of Metzen's art in the Starcraft manual you'll find this is essentially accurate, yes. Note how he's got a scorpion decal on the back? And he's got a cool bike, which makes him rad! Wait... rad? scorpion? nuclear radiation decals? Fallout! Also he's clearly driving a swoop bike.
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Metzen Ninety-Seven
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Feinne posted:She was 16 when she killed Mengsk's father, having been forcibly recruited to the Ghost program eight years prior and tortured into compliance.
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Sylphosaurus posted:Seriously Metzen? You just had to go the Star Wars EU path and have everyone be interconnected with each other in one way or another despite the plot being set in an entire loving starsector... I don't know, that's a connection that I can buy. Mengsk trying to find out who killed his father, eventually finding one of them, a confused young woman who he manipulates into helping him. It's nowhere near SW levels of dumb. In fact, it's not a dominant cliché, so I'm having a hard time accepting that Metzen wrote it.
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Sylphosaurus posted:Seriously Metzen? You just had to go the Star Wars EU path and have everyone be interconnected with each other in one way or another despite the plot being set in an entire loving starsector... If it were truely Star Wars style, it would have been one of Kerrigan's parents who assassinated Mengsk's father... and Kerrigan wouldn't know of her parent's dark past!
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Synastren posted:If it were truely Star Wars style, it would have been one of Kerrigan's parents who assassinated Mengsk's father... and Kerrigan wouldn't know of her parent's dark past!
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The best you can say about Metzen is that he's played slightly with the plot of WoW by having a guy who's just always been an rear end in a top hat as the most recent major villain.
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Feinne posted:The best you can say about Metzen is that he's played slightly with the plot of WoW by having a guy who's just always been an rear end in a top hat as the most recent major villain. Mengsk fits that category as well, really. No secret corruption, no grand evil, just a power-hungry rear end in a top hat.
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Well, he started off as a whiny suicidal nobody who thought his father was a monster. Then we showed him that while his father was a monster, he made large strides towards redeeming himself and his race from their past sins and became a Hero in death. Of course he's got the attention span of a kumquat and at some point forgot about the "Honor, in all things, never forsake it" part and short circuited the his logic to "POWER = HEROISM" and proceeded to turn half his race into horrifying tentacled monstrosities but it wasn't Demons so it's okay. Calax posted:Only after trying to force him to become the leader of a faction. Felt like he was pushed so hard into that role, that the audience wasn't having any of it, so he backed off and made him evil (while saying "we always meant him to become evil!") Not to turn this into WoW Chat but this is mostly true. The issue is that his 'descent into evil' has been punctuated by him nuking an alliance city into radioactive magic vapor and loving up an entire continents ecosystem for the next hundred years at least. There's a big long quest line where you find out all this shady poo poo he's done and people he's murdered and when you bring it to light they're just like "Well yeah he's evil but he's the warchief now whatya gonna do  " When the alliance finally stormed into Orgrimmar and forcibly dethroned him they showed their might to the world by... imprisoning him and giving the city back to the Orcs.Thrall's magical girl wedding was already a bit over the top but I think even the Horde players are getting tired of Metzin's unsatiable orc-lust, considering we've got an expansion where the plot is 'Once again Garrosh escapes the consequences of his actions and makes an even better horde for Basically Metzen loves his themes of corruption and redemption and will defy all logic and reason to ensure they get to play out, he also loves Orcs. Kurieg fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Feinne posted:The best you can say about Metzen is that he's played slightly with the plot of WoW by having a guy who's just always been an rear end in a top hat as the most recent major villain. Only after trying to force him to become the leader of a faction. Felt like he was pushed so hard into that role, that the audience wasn't having any of it, so he backed off and made him evil (while saying "we always meant him to become evil!")
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Oh hey Episode eight is still unlisted.
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Kurieg posted:Something So, is this LP going to cover Heart of the Swarm? I can't remember if it's already been mentioned.
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